Massive rant of frustration!

[ZainTheInsane]

History is eternal, ever moving onwards, ever traced back to the victor’s point of view. Despite all humanity’s promises, their idealistic attempts at equality, history is still written this way. To justify the righteous at the time, and punish those who lost the battle. Would the Nazi’s been seen as bad had it not been for their losing World War 2? Would it even have been called World War 2? Would The Carthaginians have been considered uncivilized by the world, if the Roman’s hadn’t won? Would people of African descent still have their freedom this day if the North lost the war against the South in the American civil war? Was it even that important? Were any of these events significant in their own time on a global scale as we consider events like the war on Iraq to be? Why do we so critize something we won’t see the full effect of until years, even decades from now? Humanity is fickle by nature, uneasy in its ability, power, and strength. Homo sapiens, this is what we are, and as soon as we learn to co-exist with one another in a peaceful society, with no violence, no suffering, we shall cease to be human, and shall become something else entirely.

We are the problem with our own world. People blame others, they blame everyone who they think has the wrong way of thinking, or the wrong political opinion. But does anyone have the right to blame someone else for having their own beliefs and acting upon those beliefs? Can we critize someone we can’t fully comprehend because of actions we can’t foresee the future outcome of? Many many artists, musicians, actors, philosophers, etc; were considered to be worthless, useless, or crazed in their time and place. People think that we are moral, upright and should be so always and everyday. What lunacy is that?! And supposedly intelligent people think these things up, people who deem themselves to be intelligent. People who have PhDs in things which I’ve probably never even heard of, saying that human society is going to shit because we’ve been in conflict for so long, and this continuous war-mongering is going to be the end of us all.

Well, let me ask you, when in the history of man has there not been a war of some type or another. When has their not been a fight or protest or some sort of disagreement about something between nations, races, sexes, family, friends, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on, war starts out of nothing more than a disagreement of beliefs. And yet these smart beyond smart people think that by being nice to others we will solve the world’s problems. How dense can you be? How obtuse! The world will not change over-night. We can do things, but making fools of yourself, preaching of your opinion, YOUR OPINION MIND YOU, is going to make everyone AUTOMATICALLY, get up and agree with you on every point and process of life. People are becoming smarter, growing up and becoming more educated. If anything, they will come to question what comes out of those supposedly smart peoples’ mouths more often than they listen to it blindly.

Or perhaps we aren’t getting smarter, we just think we are. Wouldn’t that be the biggest laugh of the century. And by the way, what does PhD mean? Well, the Ph means Philosophy. So, in terms of more learned people, it means Doctor of Philosophy. To most people having a PhD is like being the most knowledgeable person on the face of the Earth. Why then, do so many people with PhD’s say things I could say just as well standing on my head and letting my butt do the talking. And think about it this way, if people in modern times didn’t think Philosophers were so bright, would anyone bother getting a PhD? Probably not. MD, most likely, because doctors, well, they at least know something of practical use. But what about psychologists, or sociologist, or people with PhDs in things like English, Chemistry, Physics, etc. Does that make them automatically less prone to do stupid things?

No, it doesn’t. Medical Doctors do stupid stuff all the time. So do people with PhDs. So don’t preach as if you know everything there is to know about everything. You got a PhD in a single subject, not a freaking PhD in everything. When teaching, stick to your subject, when preaching, stick to your subject. Stop trying to tell people you know more about something else then they do. Is it because you’re older? Wiser? Smarter? Well, if being smart gives you the right to shoot your mouth off, then I must be one hell of a bright person, and so must the majority of teens and young adults in the world. The ones who are freshmen in college, or just recently graduated, or those people who are going for their PhD.

I’m not trying to make a point here, or maybe I am. My point, if any, is that people are self-centered, and selfish. I am not trying to disprove this trend, I am part of it, just like everyone who is reading this current article. The only way humanity will become that IDEAL society, is if everyone mutually agrees to be moral, upright, and follow the rules. How likely is that? Not likely at all. My point being kiddies, is that our society has gotten WORSE over time. We have not improved, we have not gained anything. Our inability is still around, we just hide it behind words that aren’t the same, or we still use the same word, and don’t even realize we are guilty of it. How sad. To improve ourselves is much more important then trying to improve others. If you want to help others, become perfect yourself. If may take a lifetime, but it is well worth it. Or maybe it isn’t, and that is why we are in the hole we’ve dug for ourselves.

Being so humble, honest, ethical, moral, self-less, loving, caring…it isn’t part of humanity. We can never be that good. And if we somehow became that good, we wouldn’t be human anymore. I guess my point is, that we are human, and if you want to critize others, first look in the mirror. Don’t just falsify everything, look in the mirror every morning and realize what is wrong with you. What you are, versus what you pretend to be. You are not perfect, nor will you ever most likely achieve perfection. But it is the journey which is important. So, get off you butt, and start some self-improvement. The rest will fall into place.

Because I promise you, if we try to help the world before ourselves, we will all lose in the end. So stop fixing other’s problems, and start fixing your own. Selfish, yes, but it is more practical then trying to fix a broken car with a broken wrench. And that, as they say, is that. In my opinion anyway.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

“If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit.” RAW

[ZainTheInsane]

“If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit.” RAW

Yes, yes you are...:mad:

[1300 Class]

Alright, everyone get the razor blades out and slit our wrists because the world is a) not perfect and b) doped up. But there is a fundamental flaw in your thinking, in that your "ideal society" as you termed it, is more than likely quite far from the one which is seen to be ideal by many others, in many different forms. People are inherently selfish, self centered and egotistical to some degree or another, and why should we see the mirror reflection every morning when it is depressing and sad, when we can be content to live in pleasant ignorance or as a charade in this modern world. It may be a charade, but its far better than trying to seek out this petty drivel of the ideal society. Society may be on the brink of falling apart, as it always has been, but the need of the individual of selfish, self centered goals will always prevent that. So, in affect, our own selfishness is supporting the good of the whole.

[Ned Sonntag]

“If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit.” RAW
Thanks for reminding me, SL, that Molly and Wilson are now swapping conspiracy theories in the Elysian, if not the Erisian, Fields. As for Zain, what did I say over the weekend about freefloating indignation on the Hyde Park? That way lies anarchy, as Jimmy Carter once said. 75% percent of mankind was still living under slavery or its equivalent as late as the 1880s, so things are improving. The struggle continues. Be :bounce: part of the solution.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

I just think it's amusing you're speaking about people like you're any different.

Humanity's not improved? Hm. Information is more accessible than ever. That's a big improvement.

The shocking discovery that people are pompous, selfish, and greedy jerks can really bum you out at first, but after you've lived with it a couple decades, it becomes, like cancer and other plagues, just another problem that we will solve eventually if we keep working at it.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

Thanks for reminding me, SL, that Molly and Wilson are now swapping conspiracy theories in the Elysian, if not the Erisian, Fields.

THAT is enough of a thought to make anyone happy and hopeful, Ned. :) What a hell of a discussion that must be.

[ZainTheInsane]

Thanks for reminding me, SL, that Molly and Wilson are now swapping conspiracy theories in the Elysian, if not the Erisian, Fields. As for Zain, what did I say over the weekend about freefloating indignation on the Hyde Park? That way lies anarchy, as Jimmy Carter once said. 75% percent of mankind was still living under slavery or its equivalent as late as the 1880s, so things are improving. The struggle continues. Be :bounce: part of the solution.

I am part of the solution...I hope...one day maybe...

And this is just a vent/drop...

And why would I slash my wrists? I rather like life...I just rant on occasion that's all...I'm not insane for no reason...

[Say Hello to the Angels]

We can do things, but making fools of yourself, preaching of your opinion, YOUR OPINION MIND YOU, is going to make everyone AUTOMATICALLY, get up and agree with you on every point and process of life. People are becoming smarter, growing up and becoming more educated. If anything, they will come to question what comes out of those supposedly smart peoples’ mouths more often than they listen to it blindly.

Oh, okay, cool. By the way, I really liked your last sentence of this paragraph...


Because I promise you, if we try to help the world before ourselves, we will all lose in the end. So stop fixing other’s problems, and start fixing your own. Selfish, yes, but it is more practical then trying to fix a broken car with a broken wrench. And that, as they say, is that. In my opinion anyway.


Your opinion, mind you.

I don't want to stick your foot in your mouth so much as I want to point out that it's okay for people to express their opinions, even vehemently. Communication is very important if people want to reach any solutions at all, and if they don't do it perfectly, that's okay-- it's a miracle that people are even speaking out about things at all.

[ZainTheInsane]

Oh, okay, cool. By the way, I really liked your last sentence of this paragraph...



Your opinion, mind you.

I don't want to stick your foot in your mouth so much as I want to point out that it's okay for people to express their opinions, even vehemently. Communication is very important if people want to reach any solutions at all, and if they don't do it perfectly, that's okay-- it's a miracle that people are even speaking out about things at all.

Well, that was sorta the point...I wouldn't have added that last sentence if I hadn't meant to include myself...and don't worry about sticking my foot in my mouth, I do that lots...and likely as I grow, live, and learn I'll do it less...but it'll still happen...

[Mini]

I don't get it, are you saying that there's something wrong with me?

[Say Hello to the Angels]

Well, that was sorta the point...I wouldn't have added that last sentence if I hadn't meant to include myself...and don't worry about sticking my foot in my mouth, I do that lots...and likely as I grow, live, and learn I'll do it less...but it'll still happen...

Oh, I understand, then. It's an irony thing, isn't it?

[Frogman]

Thanks for the post.

[SamanthaNY]

To justify the righteous at the time, and punish those who lost the battle. Would the Nazi’s been seen as bad had it not been for their losing World War 2? Would it even have been called World War 2?

Sure. Of course. You're right.

So the tattoo on my uncle's arm was decorative? Those whacky Nazis. How selfish of the entire world not to see that they were just misunderstood.

Gosh - thanks for putting it all in perspective. Now I can look upon my grandfather's time in Nazi prison as just.... spa treatments. And my father's best friend being hauled off and executed for running an underground radio station was.... well, I guess that was just Nazi PMS?

I can't believe someone like you is this uneducated, but in a way, I hope that's the cause of such a completely offensive statement. You wanna be part of a solution? Read a fucking history book. Watch Shindler's list. If you're not this stupid - but just this arrogant, well then there's little hope for you.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

And right now? I hope you do. Just you.

And that's my rant.

[Ned Sonntag]

Zain makes the excellent point Samantha, that if D-Day had failed... given the huge collusion of the US business community in CREATING Hitler, a lot of that stuff would've gotten swept under the rug. Bertelsmann(publishers of the SS training manuals) would be publishing the history books for US public schools. Oh wait Bertelsmann IS publishing the history books for US public schools...!:doh:

[ZainTheInsane]

Sure. Of course. You're right.

So the tattoo on my uncle's arm was decorative? Those whacky Nazis. How selfish of the entire world not to see that they were just misunderstood.

Gosh - thanks for putting it all in perspective. Now I can look upon my grandfather's time in Nazi prison as just.... spa treatments. And my father's best friend being hauled off and executed for running an underground radio station was.... well, I guess that was just Nazi PMS?

I can't believe someone like you is this uneducated, but in a way, I hope that's the cause of such a completely offensive statement. You wanna be part of a solution? Read a fucking history book. Watch Shindler's list. If you're not this stupid - but just this arrogant, well then there's little hope for you.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

And right now? I hope you do. Just you.

And that's my rant.

You make a point, yet you fail to see mine. I was pointing out, much like Ned surmised, that the idea that the victor would have decided the actual history...I doubt your grandfather would still be alive, or his existence known of if it hadn't been for the Allied victory. Likely, neither would you, or I.

And it isn't about forgetting history, because I distinctly remember it...it is that there is more to historical events than meets the eye. This is speculation, not statement...note the question marks. MISPERCEPTIONS can lead to many things...in fact according to some historians, a misperception and misintepretation lead to the first World War.

So, I think YOU should re-read your history, and then think about your immediate attack of words before looking at the punctuation beside them.

[Blackjack]

in fact according to some historians, a misperception and misintepretation lead to the first World War.

Sources?

Because I am pretty sure that it was an assassination in a highly volatile region (appropriately named the "Balkan Powder Keg") that sparked the conflict, and alliances were one of the main causes of it spreading.

There's really not too many ways that one can misinterpret an assassination.

[ZainTheInsane]

Sources?

Because I am pretty sure that it was an assassination in a highly volatile region (appropriately named the "Balkan Powder Keg") that sparked the conflict, and alliances were one of the main causes of it spreading.

There's really not too many ways that one can misinterpret an assassination.

It wasn't the assassination that was misintrepreted...it was the group who did it...instead of investigating the matter at the time, they just declared war...

Timeline of the events...
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001284.html

Points out several things including that it was unlikely the Serbians were behind the assassination...
http://www.firstworldwar.com/origins/causes.htm

More info supporting that the assassination was not the cause of the war...
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm

Reasons for the war involving more than just one country...
http://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/great_war/causes.htm

States that Austria-Hungary was LOOKING for a war...
http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_caused_World_War_1

There is plenty of evidence, and I can likely dig up more...there are plenty of ideas why it all happened, but most sources I've read and/or found support the ideas that either they were looking for a war with Serbia, or that there was other groups involved in the assassination who blamed the Serbians.

Either way it took time to declare war...it wasn't instantanious, the assassination was just the excuse used...war was declared around two months after the assassination. Considering the nature of their government at the time, the Austrians obviously wanted the war more than they really cared about the loss of the Archduke...

[TheSadeianLinguist]

Semiotics, the "how" things are meant, have nothing to do with saying humans are not basically good.

You also need to look up the word "catalyst."

Oh, and if you're trying to prove people are narrow-mindedly following an interpretation rather than being open to all information, quit doing exactly that.

[ataraxia]

Thanks for reminding me, SL, that Molly and Wilson are now swapping conspiracy theories in the Elysian, if not the Erisian, Fields. As for Zain, what did I say over the weekend about freefloating indignation on the Hyde Park? That way lies anarchy, as Jimmy Carter once said. 75% percent of mankind was still living under slavery or its equivalent as late as the 1880s, so things are improving. The struggle continues. Be :bounce: part of the solution.

So, like, do I need to hang around here and show some Discordian solidarity? :confused:

[ZainTheInsane]

Semiotics, the "how" things are meant, have nothing to do with saying humans are not basically good.

You also need to look up the word "catalyst."

Oh, and if you're trying to prove people are narrow-mindedly following an interpretation rather than being open to all information, quit doing exactly that.
People, like yourself, seem to take things WAY too seriously...it was a rant, a frustrated release of energy in a blathering way so as to eek out my frustrations in all the bad aspects of society. In addition to this, it is an opinion, which you can reply with your own opinion of me, or of the post, yet it is interesting to see the results of that mostly have to do with attacking either my character or my statements as false and misleading...

If I was looking to make an essay, I would have called it such...seeing that I did not, it is in fact a rant of my opinions in a time when I was quite frustrated and obscenely angered. People took me way too literally, and some formed opinions without realizing I am not trying to state facts...these are my observations, coupled with the heat of the moment. For you to call me narrow-minded, when your own interpretation of my rant, you do know what a rant is right, shows your own narrow-minded assumptions about my person, my views, and all of my personal beliefs, values and opinions simply because of your own perception of what I have said.

Continuing...I don't think a lot of the people who responded in a negative way thought two seconds about what they were saying. I don't think they read the rant in its entirety either, because if you notice, I include myself within the confines of the rant, making me just as guilty in my opinion as everyone else, and this done with a simple sentence at the end of the rant.

In addition, someone got uppity about my reference to WWII...Ned got what I was saying, I don't think Samantha did, again, because I don't think she read and thought about it before responding...she just responded in the same type of angry frustrated state of mind that created the rant in the first place...and if she did not, then I have no idea why she would be so horrendously skewed on the ideas stated within, because I was pointing out what I think would have happened if there had been another victor in the second world war.

If you actually think about it, would it have been different, would history have beem changed...yes it would have...and a lot more people would be dead, and a lot of horrible things would have happened...but the history books might not make the tale sound so horrible. I am just relating that a lot of history is based on interpretation of the events in one moral or ethical stand-point. I never stated that it was right or wrong in any way, I was just pointing it out.

So, realize that sometimes things are not what they seem, and sometimes people act before they think, because, the reasoning in my own mind is, that they decide they know better than the person talking and automatically respond as such, rather than looking at what the person has said and trying to roll it around in their head to see what falls out that is useful. Because everything, in my humble opinion, is useful to the right people, and knowledge is a two-way street. You can learn quite a bit from the bum with a fifth-grade education, and you can also learn a great deal from the professor who works at Yale.

In short, everyone has something to offer, whether you pick it up or not is up to you. That's what I think at least. So though I respond to your words, I do not, and will not forget them, because it is in finding what information we can from others and its use for our own lives that enables future generations to survive and thrive.

And now that I've ranted a second time, I think I'll cut it right about...here.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

[FONT="Palatino Linotype"][SIZE="3"]People, like yourself, seem to take things WAY too seriously...

Wow. If anyone has utterly ever gotten my personality wrong and completely misread me, it's you. Projection much?

it was a rant, a frustrated release of energy in a blathering way so as to eek out my frustrations in all the bad aspects of society. In addition to this, it is an opinion, which you can reply with your own opinion of me, or of the post, yet it is interesting to see the results of that mostly have to do with attacking either my character or my statements as false and misleading...

I'm not attacking your character. Your writing seems to imply you're excluded from the human race, or know something better about being smart or happy than the rest of us, but in every single post you make, you seem very UNHAPPY and very sensitive to the idea maybe you're ignorant about something, and you seem blissfully unaware that moral relativism is an OLD concept. If I wanted to assault your character, I'd say you're badly plagarizing Neitzche. I don't think you. I just really don't think you know much about his theories.

If I was looking to make an essay, I would have called it such...seeing that I did not, it is in fact a rant of my opinions in a time when I was quite frustrated and obscenely angered.

You probably shouldn't write things when you're "obscenely angered." Really, I don't even know what you're so PISSED about. People can be stupid and people assume values don't have cultural boundaries. So?

People took me way too literally, and some formed opinions without realizing I am not trying to state facts...these are my observations, coupled with the heat of the moment.

They're your observations. Observations are perspective. Perspective is not reality. Don't argue your perspective as reality.

For you to call me narrow-minded, when your own interpretation of my rant, you do know what a rant is right, shows your own narrow-minded assumptions about my person, my views, and all of my personal beliefs, values and opinions simply because of your own perception of what I have said.

I see how you've treated everyone who has dared to disagree with you or present a different perspective. You've been snappy, nasty, unpleasant, the list goes on. I don't assume your personal values. I think you're acting like a childish asshole who can't tolerate disagreement.

Continuing...I don't think a lot of the people who responded in a negative way thought two seconds about what they were saying. I don't think they read the rant in its entirety either, because if you notice, I include myself within the confines of the rant, making me just as guilty in my opinion as everyone else, and this done with a simple sentence at the end of the rant.

You thought wrong. A line at the end of a lot of bullshit bashing humanity is pretty meaningless. I read it. I thought it was trite, indulgent crap with a tag on the end that tried to excuse it.

In addition, someone got uppity about my reference to WWII...Ned got what I was saying, I don't think Samantha did, again, because I don't think she read and thought about it before responding...she just responded in the same type of angry frustrated state of mind that created the rant in the first place...and if she did not, then I have no idea why she would be so horrendously skewed on the ideas stated within, because I was pointing out what I think would have happened if there had been another victor in the second world war.

Disagreement doesn't mean someone "doesn't understand." THAT is self-serving bullshit, and if you go around believing everyone with a different perspective from you "doesn't understand you," you will be tremendously unhappy for the rest of your life.

If you actually think about it, would it have been different, would history have beem changed...yes it would have...and a lot more people would be dead, and a lot of horrible things would have happened...but the history books might not make the tale sound so horrible. I am just relating that a lot of history is based on interpretation of the events in one moral or ethical stand-point. I never stated that it was right or wrong in any way, I was just pointing it out.

What if your aunt had balls? I KNOW THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. DO YOU THINK YOU'RE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THAT IF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS WERE DIFFERENT YESTERDAY, THE WORLD WOULD BE DIFFERENT TODAY? I FIGURED THAT OUT AND THOUGHT IT WAS PROFOUND IN FOURTH GRADE.

So, realize that sometimes things are not what they seem, and sometimes people act before they think, because, the reasoning in my own mind is, that they decide they know better than the person talking and automatically respond as such, rather than looking at what the person has said and trying to roll it around in their head to see what falls out that is useful. Because everything, in my humble opinion, is useful to the right people, and knowledge is a two-way street. You can learn quite a bit from the bum with a fifth-grade education, and you can also learn a great deal from the professor who works at Yale.

Um, duh. What makes you think I'm any less knowledgeable or experienced than you, or any less humble, other than the fact I disagree with you?

In short, everyone has something to offer, whether you pick it up or not is up to you. That's what I think at least. So though I respond to your words, I do not, and will not forget them, because it is in finding what information we can from others and its use for our own lives that enables future generations to survive and thrive.

As long as you write nothing but cliches and can't tolerate others disagreeing with you, expect to get made fun of.

[ZainTheInsane]

Wow. If anyone has utterly ever gotten my personality wrong and completely misread me, it's you. Projection much?


And yet in every post I have ever made, be it light hearted, sarcastic, or truly indignant, you respond like a whip, very quick, and very snappy.
You also take most of what I say literally, or seem to.:rolleyes:

I'm not attacking your character. Your writing seems to imply you're excluded from the human race, or know something better about being smart or happy than the rest of us, but in every single post you make, you seem very UNHAPPY and very sensitive to the idea maybe you're ignorant about something, and you seem blissfully unaware that moral relativism is an OLD concept. If I wanted to assault your character, I'd say you're badly plagarizing Neitzche. I don't think you. I just really don't think you know much about his theories.

And yet your own words continually say otherwise when it comes to speaking of my character or my person. I'm actually quite happy, I think anyway...I sometimes get competitive, but I like debating and I also like to rant at times.
I have never taken a psychology course, and I honestly have no idea off the top of my head who Neitzche is. Perhaps you need to stop thinking so analytically about my words, and start realizing I'm not using psychology at all in them. There are no double meanings, or anything. It was a musing at one point in time. Get over it.



You probably shouldn't write things when you're "obscenely angered." Really, I don't even know what you're so PISSED about. People can be stupid and people assume values don't have cultural boundaries. So?

I'm not really pissed about anything at the moment, I just wrote this while frustrated about a half an hour before I posted it. It was just me spewing on a notepad document...it wasn't meant to be profound, or monumental. I honestly think you're thinking TOO much into this. There is a middle ground between not thinking on something enough, and over-thinking something. Maybe I was wrong, and you didn't under-think, you over-thought.


They're your observations. Observations are perspective. Perspective is not reality. Don't argue your perspective as reality.

I actually didn't argue my perspective as reality. I didn't argue anything specifically, it was a rant, not an essay, much like I stated before. Again, though you deny it, you seem to be taking this all much too literally, and seem much too frustrated with all this. It makes me wonder why you seem so against what I am saying...I didn't put any exclamation points, and a only had one word in capitals...I think it was pretty obvious I wasn't angry when I wrote the post you're quoting...I know I wasn't...so why are you thinking it was...it seems you're projecting more onto me than I am onto you.:eek:


I see how you've treated everyone who has dared to disagree with you or present a different perspective. You've been snappy, nasty, unpleasant, the list goes on. I don't assume your personal values. I think you're acting like a childish asshole who can't tolerate disagreement.

I honestly think the only person I've been nasty or unpleasant to is you...which might account for your continual nastiness back. And considering your own continuation of the argument, you're proving yourself to be, if not more childish, then just as childish as you think I am.

You thought wrong. A line at the end of a lot of bullshit bashing humanity is pretty meaningless. I read it. I thought it was trite, indulgent crap with a tag on the end that tried to excuse it.

Now who is the one deciding that their perception is now fact? Hmmm...considering I am human, I can bash my own species...I'm sure monkeys do it all the time. :p

Disagreement doesn't mean someone "doesn't understand." THAT is self-serving bullshit, and if you go around believing everyone with a different perspective from you "doesn't understand you," you will be tremendously unhappy for the rest of your life.

Actually I think Ned did understand the portion that Samantha seemed appaled by. I can understand why she was appaled, but I don't see how she got all of what she said from the rant. I re-read my own rant just to try to find the connection she made, and I didn't really find it. It didn't show up in my perception...I didn't say she was wrong, I did however point out that she wasn't right either...it wasn't like I was going on a pro-nazi binge or anything.

As far as her not understanding...I really don't think she did...it wasn't at all about the morality of world war two, at least not that sentence, it was about how the world would have been different had Germany won the war. It was that idea of perspective that if they had won, a lot of history would be different, and that people might not look back on things and necessarily see the same view of history we do. It was not about the Germans winning, and it being a good thing if they had, because it wouldn't have at all!



What if your aunt had balls? I KNOW THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. DO YOU THINK YOU'RE A GENIUS TO FIGURE OUT THAT IF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS WERE DIFFERENT YESTERDAY, THE WORLD WOULD BE DIFFERENT TODAY? I FIGURED THAT OUT AND THOUGHT IT WAS PROFOUND IN FOURTH GRADE.

Actually I never stated that this was profound...it is like saying Foamy's rants are profound at illwillpress.com. No need to yell, because that is sorta what nine year olds try to do to enhance their arguments as well. It works about the same way...which is to say it doesn't work very well at all.

Um, duh. What makes you think I'm any less knowledgeable or experienced than you, or any less humble, other than the fact I disagree with you?

Absolutely nothing...I didn't say that either...I wasn't trying to be condescending, you just continually perceive me to be that way. Perhaps my choice of words and wording leans towards that...maybe that's because you can't hear my voice, but instead substitute your own interpretation of what you would think it would sound like with this specific set of words. And feel free to disagree with me, sometime I disagree with me, I'm pretty sure a lot of people disagree with me and my point of view...that's okay...
I just like to try to help them see my point of view so they can see where I'm coming from...maybe you just can't. I honestly don't know...I guess you don't really like seeing from other people's points of view so as to see their argument, while still holding to your own opinion rather than summarily rejecting it and proposing that it is invalid. I'm not proposing that your theory is invalid, I'm just trying to show you what my view is, and where I'm coming from so you can at least see it from my point of view before deciding whether it is disagreeable or not.

As long as you write nothing but cliches and can't tolerate others disagreeing with you, expect to get made fun of.

Making fun of I can deal with, I can also deal with occasionally being cliche...it happens, I'm pretty sure at some point, whether it was historically recorded or not, people had an argument very similar, if not the same to this one. It is kinda hard not to say something that is cliche since many things have already been said. And I have tolerated disagreements, some of them I understand, others I don't see the point of given what I was trying to say versus what I was perceived to have said.

In any case, I'm not saying I'm brighter than anyone, nor am I more experienced, I'm sure that the majority of the community has more experience and are brighter than I. But you keep 'lowering yourself to my level' so to speak...so what makes you any better? And what makes my opinions and views anymore childish than your own? Rant and rave all you like, but all I have here is a rant, a point of view...you don't have to agree with it, but it seems that you just want to argue it until you're blue in the face. Just because it isn't your point of view doesn't make it wrong. And just because it is my point of view, doesn't make it right.

[SamanthaNY]

In addition, someone got uppity about my reference to WWII...Ned got what I was saying, I don't think Samantha did, again, because I don't think she read and thought about it before responding...she just responded in the same type of angry frustrated state of mind that created the rant in the first place...and if she did not, then I have no idea why she would be so horrendously skewed on the ideas stated within, because I was pointing out what I think would have happened if there had been another victor in the second world war.
So - anyone who agrees with you (or... "gets it") is right, and everyone who doesn't either didn't read it (and what a loss that would be), didn't think before replying (god forbid another opinon be possible) or obviously reached the wrong conclusion, thus becoming suddenly "horrendously skewed". Because - you're so learned and knowledgeable that no other conclusions - or, *gasp*, opinions are possible.

Are you related to Paul?

I read it - and that's a few seconds I'll never get back... thanks. I thought it was arrogant, pompous, ill-informed and ill-conceived bullshit, expressed with offensive statements. Remarkably - despite your awesome and infallible insight into yourself and others - you seem geniunely surprised and perplexed at the reactions you're getting. That part is almost enough to seem charming. I almost wanna stay and help you understand how you cause people to react this way. Almost - but not quite. I should have known better than to read and respond to someone who wears their insanity like a sheriff's badge. My bad.

Thankfully, it seems most folks are already clued in to your hypocritical, passive-aggressive shtick, so I'll leave your to your self-professed insanity.

Watch out for the blue rabbits. They're uppity too.

[Blackjack]

Words go here.

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Additionally,

instead of investigating the matter at the time, they just declared war...

Thus the name, THE BALKAN POWDER KEG. If there was any sort of logic in the decision to go to war there- I mean, beyond the obvious tensions between the two countries- then the name would not fit. That the assassination was an excuse to start a bigger conflict (although most certainly not intended to be one that spread like it did) is rather obvious.

There wasn't much about mispercetion there, only misrepresentation.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

So - anyone who agrees with you (or... "gets it") is right, and everyone who doesn't either didn't read it (and what a loss that would be), didn't think before replying (god forbid another opinon be possible) or obviously reached the wrong conclusion, thus becoming suddenly "horrendously skewed". Because - you're so learned and knowledgeable that no other conclusions - or, *gasp*, opinions are possible.

Are you related to Paul?

I read it - and that's a few seconds I'll never get back... thanks. I thought it was arrogant, pompous, ill-informed and ill-conceived bullshit, expressed with offensive statements. Remarkably - despite your awesome and infallible insight into yourself and others - you seem geniunely surprised and perplexed at the reactions you're getting. That part is almost enough to seem charming. I almost wanna stay and help you understand how you cause people to react this way. Almost - but not quite. I should have known better than to read and respond to someone who wears their insanity like a sheriff's badge. My bad.

Thankfully, it seems most folks are already clued in to your hypocritical, passive-aggressive shtick, so I'll leave your to your self-professed insanity.

Watch out for the blue rabbits. They're uppity too.

Haha. I was going to reply, but I think I'll just quote you, because this bears repeating.

*Important parts highlighted.

[Tooz]

I really hate to say it, but there is a lot of tl;dr on this thread. I'm not sure why the OP posted the original post, though. Hyde Park is usually irate people linking to news sites.

[GWARrior]

I really hate to say it, but there is a lot of tl;dr on this thread.

gah! same here. My head hurts :doh:

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Casey a suggestion. Instead of trying to reason with Zane - go hit your head on the nearest wall until you pass out - same effect no????:doh:

[seun]

WOW.

all i can say is, keep your deepest thoughts and opinions out of the reach internet forum posters... :D

[TheSadeianLinguist]

Casey a suggestion. Instead of trying to reason with Zane - go hit your head on the nearest wall until you pass out - same effect no????:doh:

A noble idea. I think the wall's starting to give. ;)

[TheSadeianLinguist]

WOW.

all i can say is, keep your deepest thoughts and opinions out of the reach internet forum posters... :D

Ah, don't think that. There are deeply respected people here who have strong, strong feelings in the depths of their hearts (Misty and Missaf come to mind), that, even though I may not always agree with them, I know they are respectful of others and 99% of the time are acting and speaking out of passion, compassion, and concern. They're smart, well-spoken, and have thought carefully to arrive at their points.

People only need to worry when they're trying to seem "deep," but actually just spewing out a bunch of crap. Others will respect you if you have a differing opinion if you speak intelligently, are kind, and respect the feelings of others.