what makes you a foodee..

[blueeyedevie]

I would love a discussion on the differences of foodee verses fedee.. There involvement with one another...Plus the first question what makes a foodee? Just food for thought.

[Obesus]

The foodee concept really started a few years ago when we began to notice that there were a fair number of folks, male, female, straight and gay, all enjoying food, being fat and even gaining weight, without any hint of wanting a feeder-feedee relationship. There is always a bit of a dominant-submissive thing in the feeder-feedee relationship and a lot of folks just weren't all that attracted to that element of it. It is very suggestive that the first literary mention of purposeful weight gain for erotic pleasure came from none other than the Marquis De Sade, who depicts, in "Justine" a community of sadist monks fattening their female slaves for enhanced pleasure...wow...who knew this dates back to the 18th Century? It actually goes waaaay further back, probably to Megalithic cultures, where it first pops up around 2,500 BC and has a strong association to oracles and cosmic revelations. I think at this point, we are just starting to absorb some of the depth of this experience in all of its' phases and types and new forms may still emerge. I am posting a lot of this on my website for those interested...it is fascinating stuff from the psychological and anthropological perspective too!
To answer the most important part of your question, the "Foodee" board here is really mostly about the pleasureable aspects of food and eating and doesn't really have all of the above connotations, which might be found more appropriately on the weight board...have I clarified or clouded?:confused:

[blueeyedevie]

Let me see. Or give this a try. A foodee. For the pure love of food eats. The smell of fresh baked bread brings a tear to the eye. The taste of fresh made pasta. The lightness of a fluffy doughnut bring a pleasure you can't describe. The desire to have the last piece of pizza even thought YOU had most of the pieces before. The craving to lick the bowl when making a cake, not to waste one bit... THE need to try the samples at the grocery store, the pure joy of an all you can eat restaurants. My favorite, eating the fries that dropped in the bottom of the fast food bag (why waste a fry). YET still have the power and strength To do all this on your own.

[Obesus]

that is very much the idea. Foodees tend to be folks who just love the whole sensory palette and experience of food and eating...all of the rich associations and pleasures surrounding it and do not at all mind gaining weight as a result of those pleasures....it can certainly be a social experience, since eating with loved ones and friends is a joy in itself, but there are those "secret pleasures" that bring joy to the foodee that others probably aren't all that tuned into...it's an aesthetic and even theatrical experience at times, which can bring it into the orbit of "gourmet", but we have pretty much decided that that is an entirely different matter with a much stronger social and class level thing going on which is not an issue with the foodee...your descriptions though, made me very very hungry and mistily reminiscent of past pleasures...the true sign of a foodee! LOL:D

Let me see. Or give this a try. A foodee. For the pure love of food eats. The smell of fresh baked bread brings a tear to the eye. The taste of fresh made pasta. The lightness of a fluffy doughnut bring a pleasure you can't describe. The desire to have the last piece of pizza even thought YOU had most of the pieces before. The craving to lick the bowl when making a cake, not to waste one bit... THE need to try the samples at the grocery store, the pure joy of an all you can eat restaurants. My favorite, eating the fries that dropped in the bottom of the fast food bag (why waste a fry). YET still have the power and strength To do all this on your own.

[Kimberleigh]

For myself, being a "foodee" is the whole experience of food. From shopping for it, preparing, storing it, eating it, sharing it.

I was a chef through most of the 80s, and simply love food. Whomever said Bread was the staff of life knew what they were talking about. I worked in a small bakery for a while, and the smell of yeast still makes me think of sunrises in Florida. Whole grain rolls, slathered with butter and a cup of French Roast...to die for.

When I started cooking professionally, cutting up lamb ribcages for racks, slicing tenderloins for filets, preparing fresh off the boat lobster and shrimp and all sort of sauces with the freshest vegetables, I was lost in paradise. Every new ingredient, every new dish was an exploration. Whenever we had a wine-tasting, or did a special buffet, the foodee in me made sure every morsel was as perfect as I could make it. I loved my job. I gave up cooking after 7 years of long hours and no benefits and working on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Moving to Europe was a rebirth of the foodee in me...We lived outside of Frankfurt Germany for almost 2 years. I walked my dogs past the produce in the fields, then later, I bought it at the market in the tiny platz in our little kaudorf. Fresh venison, wild boar, hand made sausages, home made sauerkraut and bottles of mead. Eating was the best part of travelling...whether it was fish and chips and mushy peas on the beaches in the UK, or the most succulent chicken or steak frites in Belgium, or an amazing ratatouille in France. We never got to Italy, I probably would have never left.

I love shopping for food, having food in my house, both for long term storage and everyday eating. Arranging tomatoes out of the garden on the windowsill, to finish ripening, a fruit bowl, cutting up canteloupe and eating a third of it because it smells so good. Packaging meat for the freezer, knowing I can reach in the cabinet and have a home-baked cake 40 minutes later, all these things satisfy me in a way few other things can.

I could go on all night about my own "foodee-ness", I've never really considered the "foodee-feedee" connection.
Oddly enough, every single man I have ever had a relationship with has gained weight, including hubby. There was never a purposeful intention to make them gain weight on my part, so I don't think it was that sort of relationship.
However, it is, food for thought. ;)

[Tracyarts]

I would say that it's because I consider food to be a source of multi-sensory pleasure.

I like the sensory experience of shopping in a nice supermarket or in specialty grocers where you can see, feel, and smell the food.

I like the tactile sensations involved in preparing food. The preparation work is soothing and comfortable work for me. I love to chop, mince, grind, etc...

Textures, aromas, flavors. I love to savor food at its finest. The crisp bite of the first perfect peach of the season, the mingled flavors in a long-simmered soup, the fragrance of the spice vendor stall at the farmers' co-op.

Tracy

[TONYS]

All of the posts have been excellent. Obesus' research is also very good and I look forward to reading his work. For the matter of a Feedee and feeder, I feel there is an amount of misconception surrounding this subject. Such ideas are heightened by certain people, either feedees or mostly feeders, who are in the rooms or whom people have met, that are very aggressive in what they want such as feeding. A lot of feeders place a huge amount of emphasis on just the feeding part of a relationship, and tend to overlook the qualities of the person they are with or desire to be with. Their main objective is feeding and the social graces, and courting ability, that are so nessesary for a deep long lasting relationship have a tendency not to exist.

A seemingly high number of feeders tend to be dominant and want a submissive feedee that they can control. The levels of control seem to be from minimal to very major. The control can manifest itself in numbers of ways. This I feel is based mostly upon the character of the of the feeder.

The mindset of the feedee and feeder regarding weight gain is the eroticism and actual sexual preference, sexual orientation, of both. A feeder cannot, in reality have a long term relationship with a foodee. I say this because a feeder expresses his love and adoration for his mate threw the act of feeding, and in is head for the desire to see his mate gain some weight as a validation
of who he/she is. The feedee loves gaining and eats to gain to see his/her body grow and become much larger. They love the look of more body fat
and find great pleasure in such increases.

Food for the pair is wonderful and sensual and has the same qualities that appeals to the foodee. All of the wonders of food appeal to both very strongly. However, the gaining is part of the sexual makeup of this group.
The foodee may gain and does not mind, but finds no sexual erotism in the gain, there may be even some dislike of the increased weight. Food addicts are another group all together!

I say all of the above in the simplest of terms, and I would add that a good feeder is kind, non-controlling, and wants his feedee to be healthy, fat and happy in all weighs, as much as possible.

[Gaining Gourmet]

What makes me a foodee?



A love of food. But not just food as thing, or as experience, but as art, as craft, and as science. The most important part of eating is eating well. It's eating something that you can tell someone cared for in the preparation. It's in truly tasting; rolling the flavors around in your mouth, analyzing the parts and the whole. I also want to understand the theory behind food. I want to figure out why one recipe works and another doesn't. I want to understand the principles of cooking. I want to perfect the execution of a dish with the logical experimentation of a chemist and the eye of an artist. Honestly, I think a person could be a foodee without every swallowing a bite.

Being a foodee for me means saying honestly that one great meal is worth a thousand good meals.

[Cynthia]

...The foodee may gain and does not mind, but finds no sexual erotism in the gain, there may be even some dislike of the increased weight. Food addicts are another group all together!

You made a good point here, noting that foodies and gainers are not interchangeable. I've read many accounts of food critics (the ultimate foodies) who indulge here and cut back there to stay within the size range that's comfortable for them.

(By the way, everybody, this thread has some wonderful, sumptuous descriptions!)

[ThatFatGirl]

I don't consider myself a foodee, though I have a tremendous love for a lot of great foods and enjoy trying new things. Similarly, I don't consider myself a feedee because I'd like my boyfriend to feed me ice cream in bed.

I know it's a matter of degree of interest. Just thought I'd represent for the less enthusiastic participants who really enjoy this board. :)

[Obesus]

....of the spectrum of everyone who relates to food in an erotic way or in a pleasureable way without erotic overtones, has never really been looked at to my knowledge. The reasons for eating not only vary from individual to individual and social group to social group, but will vary depending on the mood, set and setting of the individual...the problem with labels is that they are so easy to take as set in stone. There are times when I just relish a nice treat, just because it is delicious...and then at other times, the same snackage might take on a whole different meaning from context, subtext and metatext...I think we just have to keep in mind that reducing anyone or their experience to a single label is going to eventually prove to be inaccurate! Food for thought, eh? Hey...that made me hungry! LOL:D

[Deidrababe]

Hello, my name is Deidra and I am a Foodee!

(hi Deidra)

I related to the term Foodee the minute I heard about it! Although being FED is very sexy at times, I don't want to be force fed, BUT, eating....what I want....and how much....oh BABY!

I think you would have to be a Foodee to be a Feedee, but I don't think you HAVE to be a Feedee to be a Foodee. (dosen't that sound like a question on an IQ test? If all Grunts are Gurgles, and all Gurgles are Plews, Are All Grunts Pews?)
I love food, I love to eat, I love my FAVORITE FOOD and not yours or someone eleses.....I love to eat what I want and when I want it, but I don't think I'd kick you out of bed for trying to feed me pudding or pizza!

XOXOX

Deeds

[Obesus]

I think you have helped me to define yet another corner-stone in the great "Foodee-feedee" enigma...they both like food! LOL Oh dear, that wasn't as profound as I was hoping I was going to make it come out..I think your bubbly personality threw me off base there...but you have some good points! Being a foodee is pretty much a prerequisite for enjoying being a feedee, but it is usually nothing like that the other way round! As my previous post indicates and your post reinforces, you just never know when some dashing feeder will just sweep a meek and mild foodee-ette such as yourself off your feet, or bring a half-gallon of french vanilla to your bed! Hey, it could be a feederette and I could be in bed....hmmmm...this is getting bit murky! But I really did enjoy your post...gave me a perk this eve!:D


Hello, my name is Deidra and I am a Foodee!

(hi Deidra)

I related to the term Foodee the minute I heard about it! Although being FED is very sexy at times, I don't want to be force fed, BUT, eating....what I want....and how much....oh BABY!

I think you would have to be a Foodee to be a Feedee, but I don't think you HAVE to be a Feedee to be a Foodee. (dosen't that sound like a question on an IQ test? If all Grunts are Gurgles, and all Gurgles are Plews, Are All Grunts Pews?)
I love food, I love to eat, I love my FAVORITE FOOD and not yours or someone eleses.....I love to eat what I want and when I want it, but I don't think I'd kick you out of bed for trying to feed me pudding or pizza!

XOXOX

Deeds

[GPL]

I would love a discussion on the differences of foodee verses fedee.. There involvement with one another...Plus the first question what makes a foodee? Just food for thought.


Well, what are your thought on foodee/feedee, Evie?
Would you call yourself one or are you interested in becoming one? You also mentioned in your "Fat girls/Children" thread what about having children and becoming a feedee. Guess you are trying to find out, right?

Anyway, you look hot and are a cutie. For me you don't have to change a thing.

Tight hugs, GPL.

[Obesus]

Miss Deidra...after sleeping on it for the eve, I came up with the actual concept that your post awakened in me....when I took my "Theories of Personality" class in psychology, we learned about "Inner Directed" and "Outer Directed" personality types. There are those who take their cues from internal experience and those who focus on outer stimulation for their behavior. As usual, you can never make a strict separation, but it holds true that most of us are one way or the other...foodees must take their cues from the food experience and internal stimulii more than exterior cues, which might explain why they are not generally concerned about "being fed" by someone else...it just doesn't really matter to them since that is not where they take their desired behaviors to or from! Feedees must be more outer directed and enjoy the stimulation coming from outside of themselves...interesting! Thanks though, for bringing up the whole concept in my foggy little mind!:)

Hello, my name is Deidra and I am a Foodee!

(hi Deidra)

I related to the term Foodee the minute I heard about it! Although being FED is very sexy at times, I don't want to be force fed, BUT, eating....what I want....and how much....oh BABY!

I think you would have to be a Foodee to be a Feedee, but I don't think you HAVE to be a Feedee to be a Foodee. (dosen't that sound like a question on an IQ test? If all Grunts are Gurgles, and all Gurgles are Plews, Are All Grunts Pews?)
I love food, I love to eat, I love my FAVORITE FOOD and not yours or someone eleses.....I love to eat what I want and when I want it, but I don't think I'd kick you out of bed for trying to feed me pudding or pizza!

XOXOX

Deeds

[TONYS]

Diedra said:
"I think you would have to be a Foodee to be a Feedee, but I don't think you HAVE to be a Feedee to be a Foodee."

To me it is like the path. A feedee must be a foodee. The feedee is up the road a little farther and is placed there. A feedee, from all I have spoken to,
from their adolescence, were adding pillows under their clothes and imagining themselves larger. Feedees think of gaining and growing and derive sexual pleasure from it. I believe foodies can find food sensual, may even love the growth of their bodies, but the talk and passion of eating, gaining, becoming huge may not have the same sexual zing as for a feedee. Fulfilling the fantasy in a feedees mind is very critical for and during the sexual act. A feedee loves to hear it and live it and hearing and doing provide huge satisfaction.

I believe a foodee can like food like it as it is involved with intimacy, and like it as an erotic form, but for a feedee the mind and gaining are of paramount importance. Can a feedee get satisfaction from other activities like a foodee or a woman? The answer is a resounding yes, but the ultimate sexual orientation is eating to gain and being told about being fatter and doing it.

[Tad]

There are for sure different flavors of feedees. At least some are not foodees from what I understand. That is, I've talked with a few in chat who fantasize about getting fatter, but who who were not overly focussed on the food needed to get there. Not that they would not enjoy good food as much as anyone else, but that is the point, they were fairly normal in how they felt towards food, except that it was a means to an end for them. So that in some regards a weight gain shake massively loaded with calories, guzzled down with no real regard for taste, could be more exciting than a gourmet meal. The former might contain more calories than they could otherwise consume, and would quickly give them a feeling of being totally stuffed full, while the latter would take time, might leave them full at less total calories, and would give them less time afterwards to appreciate feeling stuffed. Note that these were more often guys than gals.

Now, many feedees are also foodees. That is they have erotic desire for weight gain and their relationship with food goes beyond the prosaic. And of course many foodees are not feedees. So there is overlap, but I don't think one is required for the other, nor is one a more developed state of the other.

To me the simplest definitions are that a feedee has an erotic desire for weight gain, while a foodee has an emotional desire for food that goes beyond needing fuel or enjoying taste.

Regards;

-Ed, who by my own definitions is both a foodee and a feedee, although more open about practicing the former than the latter.

[blueeyedevie]

Sorry this has taken me so long to reply to. I slept most of the day Sunday and didn't even turn on my computer. (smiles) First I would like to say, Wow! I am so glad I asked this question. Keeping things on the inside and not letting them out, you do not find the answers you need. There has been some very tasty posts! Some has stirred me to the very core. Obesus' extreme knowledge and graceful way of putting his words, makes everything flow so perfectly and seem so clear. You can't help, but to understand. Kimberliegh took us to the places she has been and give us a small taste of the better life as with food in her words. However Tonys' post and these two definition are what mostly is effecting my thinking.

The feedee loves gaining and eats to gain to see his/her body grow and become much larger. They love the look of more body fat and find great pleasure in such increases. /The foodee may gain and does not mind, but finds no sexual erotism in the gain, there may be even some dislike of the increased weight. Food addicts are another group all together

However, I think what Obesus posted in his next post..Fits extremely well for my life...

(....of the spectrum of everyone who relates to food in an erotic way or in a pleasureable way without erotic overtones, has never really been looked at to my knowledge. The reasons for eating not only vary from individual to individual and social group to social group, but will vary depending on the mood, set and setting of the individual...the problem with labels is that they are so easy to take as set in stone. There are times when I just relish a nice treat, just because it is delicious...and then at other times, the same snackage might take on a whole different meaning from context, subtext and metatext...I think we just have to keep in mind that reducing anyone or their experience to a single label is going to eventually prove to be inaccurate! Food for thought, eh? Hey...that made me hungry! LOL

GPL asks, what are my thoughts...basically what do I think I am? Then GPL referred to a past post I made about having children at a large size. O.K. Here it goes. After much thought, I am a foodee! I know this much. I truly love the taste of food and like someone said, it thrills me to know my cabinets are stocked full. (unfortunately, something I don't have the pleasure of doing). I love going slowly through the grocery store especially the fresh food section. I love the look, the smell, even the touch. I can remember as a little girl I wasn't one to touch everything, but when we went to the supermarket I wanted to touch everything. Was I a foodee then? Imagine I was. Do I think I can enjoy food when it comes to a sexual nature? I don't think it will ever turn me on to eat; for me to eat alone and by myself. However I do think with someone it might be possible. My body becoming a certain way, changing, etc. is sexy and oddly arousing! I would imagine it would be a charge to be with that special man and he wanting to have those moments and days or meals to share as a growing/special time together. I would hate to think a foodee could not be with a feeder. As I would hate to think a feeder could not adapt down also. (i.e. having a child is very important.) Being healthy enough to take care of my child is very important. My future husband is lucky I am not set on natural child birth. I would adopt, so it's not necessary to worry about being any certain weight for birth. I just need to be a mother. It is something I have longed for. So I hope, I have answered the questions that was asked of me. I also want to thank everyone again for the input into my question. It has helped me a great deal.

[Jeannie]

To me the simplest definitions are that a feedee has an erotic desire for weight gain, while a foodee has an emotional desire for food that goes beyond needing fuel or enjoying taste.

Interesting post Ed. I think I may be an exception to that definition. I am both a foodee and a feedee but the erotic desire for me is to be fed, with the weight gain being just a by-product. I don't want to gain any weight (right now) but I am still completely hard wired to wanting to be fed. For me, it is almost 100% about domination and submission. Thinking back, I had a friend here many years ago that was a feeder but really preferred mid-size bbw and he and I used to discuss how we could both realize our fantasies without me gaining a lot of weight. I was already at the high end of mid-sized. Now had I been smaller, we both would have been interested in the actual gaining aspects of the feeding but as it was, the act of feeding, done in a way as to gain as little as possible was still very exciting to both of us. Nothing ever became of that other than discussions. Years later I met another feeder here who was interested in the weight gain aspects and preferred ssbbw. For him, as I was very emotionally involved, I was happy to gain for him and I did. I had no desire to gain for myself but gaining for him was very exciting. Now had we stayed together I would have had to put a stop to the active gaining for health reasons but for the time we were together, the gaining part was very exciting but not nearly as exciting as the dom/sub role we were acting out. As you know from reading my posts in the bhm pages I am actively losing weight at this time. I love being fat and really don't have a desire to be thin but I'm working on living healthy now and I'm losing weight because of it. If in the future I should become involved with another feeder, it will be damn hard for me to not go for what turns me on the most. Maybe I'll find someone who is really into keeping me healthy, keeping my weight gain to a minimum but is just as excited by the feeding experience as I am. That would be my dream guy.

Feed me, stuff me, make me eat for you...Just do it with fruits and vegetables please. :D lol

Anyway, I don't know what this all means, I just know when I read your definition of a feedee, I knew I was one of the different "flavors."

[Tad]

Yah, there are really more flavors than we have labels for. Some folk may the division between 'gainer' and 'feedee,' with a feedee being more like you (the act of being fed, submission, etc), and gainers being more like I said (getting an erotic thrill out of being fat and getting fatter). But even that does not catch everything.

We humans are seldom simple!

-Ed

[SoVerySoft]

Ed,

I would have said the same thing - I don't necessarily think feedees have to be foodees.

But I am sure, like Jeannie said, there are endless flavors and possibilities.

[Obesus]

The reference to Rowan and Martin's "Laugh-In" is intentional, for you raise a fascinating point...as the feedee/gainer population grows older, we have to seriously figure out ways to enjoy our passione' in a healthy way! I know that I eat very low salt and vegetarian and have so for many years, so my coronary arteries are surprisingly clear! When I had my big staph infection last year and they did all kinds of tests, the doctor who did the heart testing was astonished that I did so well, despite my size...being vegetarian certainly had something to do with it and now that I am low-salt and much more cautious, I am as perky as a pup and still gaining, but very very slowly. It is going to be a challenge for a lot of us to figure out how to be as sensuous as our fantasies and healthy at the same time...but I suspect that what may eventually happen is that folks will figure out that adding in elements of more advanced erotic pleasure, such as the Kaula or Kalachakra Tantra and even a bit of Sub-Dom play may enhance a more quality and less quantity approach to the food...chocolate covered strawberries come to mind for some odd reason! LOL Of course, this is not to suggest that I know the slightest thing about any of these matters! LOL Your post has caused giant lightbulbs to go off in my brain and my wise-mind says...."Oh!" ;)






Interesting post Ed. I think I may be an exception to that definition. I am both a foodee and a feedee but the erotic desire for me is to be fed, with the weight gain being just a by-product. I don't want to gain any weight (right now) but I am still completely hard wired to wanting to be fed. For me, it is almost 100% about domination and submission. Thinking back, I had a friend here many years ago that was a feeder but really preferred mid-size bbw and he and I used to discuss how we could both realize our fantasies without me gaining a lot of weight. I was already at the high end of mid-sized. Now had I been smaller, we both would have been interested in the actual gaining aspects of the feeding but as it was, the act of feeding, done in a way as to gain as little as possible was still very exciting to both of us. Nothing ever became of that other than discussions. Years later I met another feeder here who was interested in the weight gain aspects and preferred ssbbw. For him, as I was very emotionally involved, I was happy to gain for him and I did. I had no desire to gain for myself but gaining for him was very exciting. Now had we stayed together I would have had to put a stop to the active gaining for health reasons but for the time we were together, the gaining part was very exciting but not nearly as exciting as the dom/sub role we were acting out. As you know from reading my posts in the bhm pages I am actively losing weight at this time. I love being fat and really don't have a desire to be thin but I'm working on living healthy now and I'm losing weight because of it. If in the future I should become involved with another feeder, it will be damn hard for me to not go for what turns me on the most. Maybe I'll find someone who is really into keeping me healthy, keeping my weight gain to a minimum but is just as excited by the feeding experience as I am. That would be my dream guy.

Feed me, stuff me, make me eat for you...Just do it with fruits and vegetables please. :D lol

Anyway, I don't know what this all means, I just know when I read your definition of a feedee, I knew I was one of the different "flavors."

[Jeannie]

chocolate covered strawberries come to mind for some odd reason!

Oh good grief! CALL ME! rofl :D

Loved your post. It is all so very true. You definitely need to write a book- "Feeder/feedee Love - The Geriatric Set" :D

[TONYS]

I agree with all of you regarding subdivisions. I also agree that labels are subjuct to a miriad of variables and the boundaries are not concrete. As I stated in my post in the most simplest of terms we must clearly understand a feeder loves and needs his partner to gain weight as part of the relationship. How much is another issue, as is health.
I fully agree with Obesis regarding health. I am studying Diabetes and weight gain and overcoming the issues surronding it. I have also overcome most other health issues. I still have the need for feeding as being both feede and feedee.

The point is for a feeder to be alive his partner must be a feedee in the head, and body if possible, that is the erotic nature of a feedee/feeder from my expirience. I cannot escape it, nor change my orientation, I have tried to be "normal" but I cannot change how I was made. I have been attracted to ssbbw's who were foodees, but I did not have a connection as with a feedee.
No matter how hard I tried to overcome my feeder orientation it is impossible.
I express love with food, feeding and with the mind of the true feedee.

So food for thought please understand that a feeder can be kind, caring , loving, compassionate, willing to please and respect his her partner and their wishes. Such wishes can be anything .

[blueeyedevie]

I would love to learn all I can about being healthy and indulging. Espically since diabetics and heart dieases run in my family. I am already having to take beta blockers for increased heart rate.. I can't imagine a life with out food.. The post about healthy feeding.. Very interesting.. I really would like to know more.. :eat1:

[TONYS]

Hi Blueeyedevie,
Diet is the major reason for health problems. Without going into to much detail and putting things simply, you can be fat and healthy and threw diet, suppliments, and being happy you can be and draw health to you. Think of this if fat were a killer all who were fat would be dead. You would see no older people who were fat. There are thin diabetics and fat ones too people of all sizes have problems. Most cannot say that fat causes disease, most only parrot what they have been told. Are the above statements set in concrete,
or entirely true, no, of course not, is there truth to be found of course!

What we eat and how we eat determins a lot of how we feel and how we effect our chemistry in the body. The simplest way for us to regain lost health is to go on a fast that we feel is best for us, cleans our bodies, get a new start and monitor very closly what we put in to ourselves. If our bodies have the capabilities of being healthy then we have to give it the tools to be that way.

For example, If you hav e 500 horsepower motor in a car, but have spark plugs that are old and used and old oil, bad coolant, and a small carbeurator,
the motor will never do what it has the capabilities to do. If you correct the problems the motor will perform as it needs to. Same with your body, likewise you cannot rebuild the motor with a screwdriver and pliers, you will need many and different tools. The same goes for your body.

Think of the concepts and see if they are truth for you. Let me know.

[Obesus]

Part of it is mindset...we just automatically tend to assume that being a foodee involves eating junk food or eating unhealthily, but that is a cultural conditioning and not the truth at all. I really think the matter boils down to quality first and then quantity. This is where it does verge into the gourmet and even health food things, but only on a tangential plane! LOL I think it only takes a bit of research to realized that a lot of comfort foods are not actually all that bad for you. Carbs , such as taters or pasta are not necessarily bad, but dairy is touchy...just a bit of it goes a looong way! Salt and sugar are definitely not good in quantity. I keep salt to 2000mg per day, which is just the recommended allowance. Most Americans consume vastly more, which is where a lot of problems come from. So, low sodium does not at all mean dull food...there is a world of fabulous seasonings and many cookbooks that have some amazing low or no salt recipes. Amazon.com has a few. Not only am I used to it, but I am now enjoying the true taste of food without a smokescreen of salt.
So, I eat hardly any dairy at all....I use goat cheese and other products...not only did I get used to it, but I love them little goats...they are incredible! Vegetarian, goat, low salt...the upshot is that I now actually enjoy the natural flavors of food much more than I used to and that means that I am actually eating a lot more! It is actually more of a quality experience to enjoy my favorite foods and enjoy them I do! I have weighed 300 pounds or more for many years, but I am surprisingly healthy...it all seems to work pretty perkily! :eat1:

[Lorna]

I have read all the posts with great interest. I am a feedee and my relationship with food was described very well by Tonys and Ed. The health thing can be done!

My first experience with a feeder was unfortunate as we were both inexperienced and made a lot of mistakes. I ate loads of junk.. loads of it, cream cakes, fast food everything that we are told makes us gain. The result was I felt awful, I had lots of pain in my joints, found walking difficult breathing hard too, I was tired ALL the time.:(

Then we seperated and I met another feeder who was far more experienced and took a great deal of time to encourage me and pushed all my feedee buttons but taught me how to do it in a healthy way. And it is not at all a sub / dom relationship.

I had been diagnosed with diabetes, he advised me on what foods to avoid and how to balance my diet.. the result is I am gaining again and doing so while keeping my blood suger levels within the normal range. I have lots more energy and gone are my trade mark panda eyes of a couple of years ago. I take no medication and control it all by diet, interesting to note however that while I can eat a tub of ice cream and my levels go up slightly then return to normal quickly stress sends them through the roof. Ah well maybe they will find a diet for relieving stress lol :D