Question to Sadeian Linguist.

[Vince]

You wrote: " Mom and I were watching some program about a 627 lb woman on TLC. If you met my mother, you'd think she was a very nice lady. You might think I'm a nice lady. You would think wrong. We spent the better part of the hour laughing as they tried to stuff this large woman into a van. Literally, they were just blindly shoving, not even trying to get her on the seat. While Mom and I both have sympathy and love for people, we're not immune to laughing our asses off at dehumanization. Dad reacts completely differently, calling the woman disgusting while he eats out of the fridge.

Mom and I don't think the woman is disgusting; we both thought she seemed pretty nice. The thing is, by and large, our family has a dark sense of humor. We note every super-sized person, every retard, and every flamer. And we will snicker privately. I would also vouch that we're some of the most accepting people you'll meet. My mom has no problem being around anyone. Myself, I like most people."

Just wondering why you are on a board dedicated to large women if you secretly laugh at them?

[EbonySSBBW]

retard


I really hate how some people use that word.

[Blackjack]

Oh no! Goody Sadeian is a witch! Vince said so! Burn her!

[Vince]

If a woman is a size 10 or 12 and smirks secretly at really fat women then I just wonder what she is doing on a site like Dimensions.

[Mini]

My guess? She's out to spite you, Vince.

[Ashley]

I'm not going to comment on Sadeian's personal situation. If she chooses to tell you how she ended up here, then she will.

However, I don't think it's my place or yours, Vince, to comment on whether one person or another should be here. I stand by my belief that this board is about acceptance. That means anyone, size 0 to infinity, who accepts others in this community should be accepted in turn.

I believe the quote you posted was from Sadeian's personal blog. She didn't post it here intending to hurt anyone or to cause trouble. We're all human, and we're all critical of our fellow humans from time to time. I know I've said things in my life that I wouldn't want posted here.

[love dubh]

Vince, she was laughing at the dehumanizing way that the people were treating this woman. Thus, she was laughing at those manhandlers. At their sheer ignorance and lack of compassion, thinking that they could "pack up" this woman like so much meat from the slaughterhouses of the Midwest.

[Vince]

Well, I didn't see that TV show but whatever reaction I would have it wouldn't be laughing or smirking. Blogs are public if you post links to them. SL is quick to comment on what others say here, especially if they are men.

[UberAris]

Today 11:28 PM
Vince Well, I didn't see that TV show but whatever reaction I would have it wouldn't be laughing or smirking. Blogs are public if you post links to them. SL is quick to comment on what others say here, especially if they are men.


Even so, it's her blog, her thoughts, her opinions, Who are you to criticize them? if you don’t agree with them, then talk to her in privet about it, no reason to get the whole Dim community involved in yet another annoying psudo-controversy agents another one of its members.

[Vince]

Maybe so, I would like to hear what SL has to say about this.

[Blackjack]

Maybe so, I would like to hear what SL has to say about this.

How convenient for you to do this just as she takes a brief hiatus from the board.

[UberAris]

If she wants to.

It was her blog that you decided to pillage, for lack of a better term, only to instead of bringing it to her privately where you could discuss it with her with out board consequence, you brought it to someplace where it would be sure to start something... She has as much right to just ignore this all together and avoid a scene.

So I am lead to ask... What is your vendetta agenest her? this seems to be a very obivous form of sabotage agenest her, or at least a perverbial cheap shot to discredit her by bringing her personal blog posts here.

[Vince]

Nice to see the predictable Knights showing up to defend our hapless heroine. I am more interested in discussing what she said. If I were to post something like that on line I would be slammed mighty hard for it. Is it any less offensive for a woman to post that? That is part of who she is. I am just wondering why she is here at Dimensions. I am sure she is eloquent enough to explain her position. I know how easy it is to attack the messenger but in this case SL has some explaining to do. Maybe she is just young? Yeah, that is it. At her age she is allowed a lot of leeway, whereas older people should know better. Well, that doesn't wash here because over and over many praise her for her wisdom and maturity.

[UberAris]

As said previousaly, its the Mod's job to decide who does and who dosen't belong here, not yours, leave it at that. And please, useing her age? please, I can think of some older people on this board who make any suposed controvercial comment she's made, look like a blessing from Mother Mary.

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

Seriously, if it is part of someone's personal blog, do NOT go publicizing it in a public forum. Sure, blogs are part of the internet, and are "public if you post links to them", but it's HER personal writing. SHE wrote it. SHE is the author. Which means you have NO authority to copy it and post it ANYWHERE without her permission. My guess is you're breaking some sort of copyright law, or at least HUMAN DECENCY, making public writing that is not yours.

[UberAris]

Seriously, if it is part of someone's personal blog, do NOT go publicizing it in a public forum. Sure, blogs are part of the internet, and are "public if you post links to them", but it's HER personal writing. SHE wrote it. SHE is the author. Which means you have NO authority to copy it and post it ANYWHERE without her permission. My guess is you're breaking some sort of copyright law, or at least HUMAN DECENCY, making public writing that is not yours.

Thank you, You had no right to bring that to this board. if anything, you should apologize to SL for doing it... NOT demand explinations for her personal thoughts

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Thank you, You had no right to bring that to this board. if anything, you should apologize to SL for doing it

Don't expect an apology - this is typical Vince behavior.

stirrin stirrin stirrin

[grey1969]

Seriously, if it is part of someone's personal blog, do NOT go publicizing it in a public forum. Sure, blogs are part of the internet, and are "public if you post links to them", but it's HER personal writing. SHE wrote it. SHE is the author. Which means you have NO authority to copy it and post it ANYWHERE without her permission. My guess is you're breaking some sort of copyright law, or at least HUMAN DECENCY, making public writing that is not yours.


I believe the intent of the original poster was to illuminate for the "community" an example of the type of hypocrisy that this site is overflowing with. I am not familiar with blogs and whether it is proper to quote from them. However, it seems if one puts statements out on the internet for public viewing they had better be able to defend those statments. I imagine the callous response of this young lady to the scene she witnessed on that TV show may be a bit disturbing to some of her "friends" at this website. Perhaps the OP is doing them a favor by giving a glimpse into the real SL. ;)

[UberAris]

I believe the intent of the original poster was to illuminate for the "community" an example of the type of hypocrisy that this site is overflowing with. I am not familiar with blogs and whether it is proper to quote from them. However, it seems if one puts statements out on the internet for public viewing they had better be able to defend those statments. I imagine the callous response of this young lady to the scene she witnessed on that TV show may be a bit disturbing to some of her "friends" at this website. Perhaps the OP is doing them a favor by giving a glimpse into the real SL. ;)

If we are to be refired to as knights, it looks like the second dark night makes his way out of the wood works...

And Sandie, thanks for the warning... I'll have to patiance with people like this...

[grey1969]

If we are to be refired to as knights, it looks like the second dark night makes his way out of the wood works...

And Sandie, thanks for the warning... I'll have to patiance with people like this...

So your only response is to call me names? Some apologist you are. :D

Well it's past my bedtime. Have a nice night. ;)

[Miss Vickie]

Vince, culling stuff from other websites and using them as verbal baseball bats is really a terrible thing to do. It's also against the rules of many forums and is at the very least bad netiquette. It's just one step above quoting personal email, and I KNOW there's some stuff that you've said over the years that you wouldn't want made public knowledge, would you?

I think you owe SL an apology. Why use her for your pathetic attempts at grabbing attention? And why use words taken out of context to do it? That's low -- even for you. She's been a contributing member of this community and has supported women of ALL sizes here, and been very public about her battles with her own size issues. You are out of line to question her qualifications for being here. I'm a fat woman and I've never once felt she was smirking at me -- privately or publicly.

You on the other hand...

Back in the cage, Beast!

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

I believe the intent of the original poster was to illuminate for the "community" an example of the type of hypocrisy that this site is overflowing with. I am not familiar with blogs and whether it is proper to quote from them. However, it seems if one puts statements out on the internet for public viewing they had better be able to defend those statments. I imagine the callous response of this young lady to the scene she witnessed on that TV show may be a bit disturbing to some of her "friends" at this website. Perhaps the OP is doing them a favor by giving a glimpse into the real SL. ;)

I see.... so let's see here... if I found some stories of you from your own personal life, twisted them to make you sound like a hypocrit and a liar, or as some other bad persona, and made it public for all to see, you would consider that a "favor" to the board?

On second thought, that might actually BE a favor to the board.

The point is, this should be a personal issue that Vince found. He should take it up with SL on her own site, or through e-mail, or whatever else. Not publicize it just to give her a bad name. Which, really, is exactly what he's trying to do.

Oh, and please, if I hear the words "hypocrisy" or "double-standards" from you or Vince again, I swear I'll have to give my turn-table a good whack, because it's becoming repetative nonsense.

[UberAris]

not to mention the fact that every time one fo these threads pop up there seem to be 2 names that hover like moths around it... I supose some just have odd ways of leaching attention from the more civilized of the crowd.

[missaf]

There goes Vince, dredging up his personal files on people so he can stir up crap here on the boards, rather than asking her in a PM like he should. Go away Vince.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

not to mention the fact that every time one fo these threads pop up there seem to be 2 names that hover like moths around it... I supose some just have odd ways of leaching attention from the more civilized of the crowd.


http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/81323/200.jpg

[UberAris]

HA!

I've gained a New respect for you :D

[ThatFatGirl]

So your only response is to call me names? Some apologist you are. :D

Well it's past my bedtime. Have a nice night. ;)

Are we still voting on whether or not you leave? I guess Vince needs a side-kick. Every comic book villian has one.

[Observer]

Vince, let this be a formal warning:

It is not your place to publicly question why anyone chooses to come to this site. If you have a question in that regard yuou may send a prvate message to a moderator.

Frankly I think some of your actions and statements in this thread come very close to a violation of basic forum policy prohibiting defamation and harassment of fellow posters.

[UberAris]

Are we still voting on whether or not you leave? I guess Vince needs a side-kick. Every comic book villian has one.

LoL! well if we're going to talk comic book heros and villans... Someone be Sam, I'll be Max

http://gamemag.ru/arts/sam_and_max.jpg

(dog is sam, crazed looking rabbit... thing... is max)

[Sandie S-R]

... I am more interested in discussing what she said. ...

Vince...if you were truly interested in discussing something with SL, you would have acted like a gentleman, and PMd or emailed her and had your discussion privately. The fact that you didn't, says volumes, and should tip everyone off as to your motives.

[FreeThinker]

LoL! well if we're going to talk comic book heros and villans... Someone be Sam, I'll be Max

http://gamemag.ru/arts/sam_and_max.jpg

(dog is sam, crazed looking rabbit... thing... is max)Cool!

Sam I shall be.

That means I do most of the driving and get to swing you by the legs and hit the bad guys with your head, right?

(Seems you've already used your head on these guys...)

...wanna play fizzball, little buddy?

[Angel]

Vince,

If your intent truly was a question about why SL has chosen to be a part of Dimensions, all you would have had to have done was read posts made here at Dimensions. You obviously are not illiterate.

[FitChick]

I really hate how some people use that word.

Wasn't Vince quoting SADEIAN? You made it look as if VINCE used that word.

This is not directed at any one person here, but I have noticed a tendency to defend anyone who is part of the "in clique", and attack anyone who is not. Frankly, it really reminds me of grade school.


Vince questions why someone posts here and gets jumped on for it. Well, a few ppl here, incl. Sadeian, questioned why *I* post here, even though I have posted here off and on for about six years. Yet NO ONE called them on the carpet for doing it to ME. I guess because I'm not part of the "in clique"?

[CurvyEm]

I can see where Vince is coming from, like when everyone went mad when I posted something that my boyfriend had said bad about big women in this past, but I don't think it's to that extent, at all and I don't think it should have been posted here.

However I have noticed that Vince has a problem with 'strong' women who post what's on their mind. What's up with that Vince?

[William]

Hi

I do not think that what Sadeian posted should have been posted, but she has been a very accepting person here.

William



I can see where Vince is coming from, like when everyone went mad when I posted something that my boyfriend had said bad about big women in this past, but I don't think it's to that extent, at all and I don't think it should have been posted here.

However I have noticed that Vince has a problem with 'strong' women who post what's on their mind. What's up with that Vince?

[Blackjack]

I can see where Vince is coming from, like when everyone went mad when I posted something that my boyfriend had said bad about big women in this past, but I don't think it's to that extent, at all and I don't think it should have been posted here.

Difference is that you brought it up because you were offended. Vince is bringing this up to offend and stir shit up.

[NancyGirl74]

There goes Vince, dredging up his personal files on people so he can stir up crap here on the boards, rather than asking her in a PM like he should. Go away Vince.


*Stands with back pressed against closet door*

I have nothing to hide! :shocked:

[grey1969]

Wasn't Vince quoting SADEIAN? You made it look as if VINCE used that word.

This is not directed at any one person here, but I have noticed a tendency to defend anyone who is part of the "in clique", and attack anyone who is not. Frankly, it really reminds me of grade school.


Vince questions why someone posts here and gets jumped on for it. Well, a few ppl here, incl. Sadeian, questioned why *I* post here, even though I have posted here off and on for about six years. Yet NO ONE called them on the carpet for doing it to ME. I guess because I'm not part of the "in clique"?

This is so true and the basis of my point about the waist deep hypocrisy on this board. It seems the in crowd and their defenders can do no harm. In contrast, a perceived interloper/troll such as myself gets castigated for making bold statements that do not fit the accepted conventional wisdom of this "community". No more evidence for this need be given than the following: in the thread of two weeks ago "What's Your Weight Limit" I pointed out that an FA may think twice about having a SSBBW girlfriend/wife because she may end up with health/mobility problems due to her weight, and he may be adverse to dealing with such a reality. This brought down a torrent of condemnation on me about how I had some nerve mentioning such nasty things on a "size acceptance" site. Yep, you guessed it, SL was one of those quick to chime in. Do I hold a grudge? You betcha.

Then I went back and did some research and found a very interesting thread in which a bunch of the older ladies were discussing their health problems and how they had to lose weight. So just as I had predeicted would be likely to happen happened for these women. Guess what I received; one of said women , a certian Alaskan nurse who has undergone WLS, chiming in to ask me what credentials I have to back up my outlandish statements. Statements that it turns out described her to a T. Hypocrisy, yes indeed.

As for me and VInce. Well it may appear that we are working as some sort of tag-team here taking on the nastiness that permeates this "community". I assure you that this is not by design. Since I have become more familiar with Vince in the past two weeks, I can say I don't have much more respect for Vince than many of the others here. The thing I do respect about Vince is the fact that he is intent on drawing out the true mean-spirited nature of many of the people on this board. While this leads to many hard feelings, it is a service to the few free-minded people out there reading this crap. It is better that they know the truth about the treacherous folks that dominate this "community" sooner rathetr than later. Because sooner or later they too would be tar and feathered if they were to step out of line.

[Blackjack]

It's very interesting how the people who disagree with you are all hypocrites, and those who agree are "free thinkers".

I still can't help but think of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials when it comes to you and Vince.

[grey1969]

Are we still voting on whether or not you leave? I guess Vince needs a side-kick. Every comic book villian has one.

Well the official voting has closed, but I appreciate your support nonetheless. :D I don't really care for being perceived as the sidekick of one such as Vince. However, I do certainly agree with a lot of the things he has to say.

My major bone to pick with this website is that we don't seem to have any serious debate that doesn't quickly degenerate into some sort of name-calling bash fest. Neither Vince, nor the anti-Vince crowd is helping with this sorry situation. I am feeling rather unfulfilled from being here. Oh well. :(

[grey1969]

It's very interesting how the people who disagree with you are all hypocrites, and those who agree are "free thinkers".

I still can't help but think of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials when it comes to you and Vince.

I agree. Vince and I are the perceived witches/ evil-Communists in this scenario. I think you are finally clueing in.

[CurvyEm]

I don't even know who the 'incrowd' are?

Can I join?lol

[CurvyEm]

I agree. Vince and I are the perceived witches/ evil-Communists in this scenario. I think you are finally clueing in.

oh I I I, you've hardly been here two minutes, you've hardly been noticed. Stop trying to throw yourself into the middle of things.

[Blackjack]

I agree. Vince and I are the perceived witches/ evil-Communists in this scenario. I think you are finally clueing in.

You have it backwards. The rest of the Dimensions members don't go around to personal blogs and dig up dirt on other members. Vince, however, does, and in effect he accuses the person of being sinister and evil and all that; you support his beaviour. He's calling out the "witches", and you're fighting alongside him like a good troll's sidekick.

[Vince]

I have never been a member of the Communist party!

[Vince]

So, Blackjack, are you suggesting that what SL said is 'dirt' and that she is 'sinister and evil'? I surely never said or implied that.

[Blackjack]

So, Blackjack, are you suggesting that what SL said is 'dirt' and that she is 'sinister and evil'? I surely never said or implied that.

I don't think she's sinister or evil. I never said I did. Perhaps "sinister and evil" is a bit of a strong term, but it's simple and gets the point across well enough.

Not that there's much point in arguing with you, since you'll twist the words and deny that you implied anything.

[GWARrior]

Wow Vince. You have great talent at posting such crap. I think my IQ has dropped just from reading what you come up with.

:doh:

[Vince]

SL wrote that she laughed out loud at the scene of a 627 pound women getting into a car. Then she added that really fat women caused her to smirk to herself. Well, if she posts here then that seems hypocritical to me. That is not evil or sinister. It is not being fair dinkum, though. What is so difficult to understand about this incongruity?

[moonvine]

SL wrote that she laughed out loud at the scene of a 627 pound women getting into a car. Then she added that really fat women caused her to smirk to herself. Well, if she posts here then that seems hypocritical to me. That is not evil or sinister. It is not being fair dinkum, though. What is so difficult to understand about this incongruity?


I wish I had half the time you evidently have, to peruse people's journals and then bring random paragraphs back here to stir up some shit. I'd put such time to much better use, though. There are lots of animals out there that still need to be saved.

We must have been getting along too well for you lately, eh?

[SamanthaNY]

(by grey1969)
"waist deep hypocrisy on this board"
"Hypocrisy, yes indeed"
"true mean-spirited nature of many of the people on this board"
"reading this crap"
"treacherous folks that dominate this "community""
"tar and feathered if they were to step out of line"
"I [am] the perceived witch/ evil-Communist in this scenario..."
"my election to official board whipping boy"
"[board member] is a bitch"
"This board doesn't seem to operate like a democracy at all. I think that is a shame."
"99% of the people on this board display hypocritical behavior regularly"
"Dimensions Enemy Number One"
"angry and hurtful comments made to me"

It sounds like this site angers you and makes you frustrated and unhappy. So why do you continue here? I think this place becomes what you make of it for each of us, meaning - if you act like an angry skunk, don't expect to be treated like a warm, fuzzy kitten.


(by grey1969)
"The question is do you.. want to hold something like that against a person forever? ... Do you believe in second chances? Do you believe in hearing the other side of the story?"


You ask for these things for yourself when you were chastised for saying something, yet...


(by grey1969)
"Yep, you guessed it, SL was one of those quick to chime in. Do I hold a grudge? You betcha."

SL can't get the same understanding? Why are you worthy of forgiveness, and SL not?

I'm curious as to the nature of SL's comments now that I've been made aware of them too. However, Vince's post wasn't made to get that answer - it was made to start a firestorm, incite drama and point fingers of accusation at SL (mission accomplished), with the hope of making Vince seem like a hero (not in a million).

Why this longstanding pattern of behavior is allowed to continue here is something I will never understand.

[bigsexy920]

I must admit I laugh at things that most people don't find funny. However, I don't laugh at fat related issues. I think because it hits to close to home. I guess I could be that woman getting stuffed into a mini van someday.

[Blackjack]

SL wrote that she laughed out loud at the scene of a 627 pound women getting into a car. Then she added that really fat women caused her to smirk to herself. Well, if she posts here then that seems hypocritical to me. That is not evil or sinister. It is not being fair dinkum, though. What is so difficult to understand about this incongruity?

She laughed at the dehumanization of it, and noted that she has a dark sense of humor even though she's very accepting. I see where the controversy would come from, but it's surrounded by her noting that she's very accepting, and based on what I've seen of her, I'd be willing to pardon the snickers and smirks she has in secret at the dehumanization of people.

[JoyJoy]

If I were to post something like that on line I would be slammed mighty hard for it. Is it any less offensive for a woman to post that?

I keep seeing this theme in your posts, Vince. It's as if you're totally clueless as to why people resent you for your years of pot-stirring...you look up and say, "Did I do that?" with an innocent look on your face, then cry foul when you end up having to reap the consequences of your behavior. When it comes to consequences, they usually fit the action. You can't expect to be treated the same as another person, given your history here. People are going to react much differently to your seemingly innocent posts than they would if someone different asked the same exact question.

None of us think you're a stupid man, Vince. That's why your behavior gets you many of the negative responses you get....we see through your guise. That's why those of us who have seen your pattern over and over have no sympathy or pity for you...we're just fed up. Period.

[Vince]

Sadeian Linguist:

[Webmaster]

You are entirely out of bounds. Final warning.

Nice to see the predictable Knights showing up to defend our hapless heroine. I am more interested in discussing what she said. If I were to post something like that on line I would be slammed mighty hard for it. Is it any less offensive for a woman to post that? That is part of who she is. I am just wondering why she is here at Dimensions. I am sure she is eloquent enough to explain her position. I know how easy it is to attack the messenger but in this case SL has some explaining to do. Maybe she is just young? Yeah, that is it. At her age she is allowed a lot of leeway, whereas older people should know better. Well, that doesn't wash here because over and over many praise her for her wisdom and maturity.

[FitChick]

Vince, Blackjack, whoever else:

You see, this is a major reason WHY most of my friends are (strong) men. Granted, NOT ALL women act like this, but it seems to me that many women never quite outgrew the grade school cliqueishness of, "Ooh, let's all compliment each other and not HER, so she can feel like she's not part of OUR group".

Very few women I have met are not like that. Its sad but what can you do?


Someone said Vince has a problem with "strong" women. FTR he has never to my knowledge had a problem with me, and I am VERY opinionated. Maybe its not (some of) the strong women, but their VIEWS?

[Vince]

For FitChick.

[CurvyEm]

Someone said Vince has a problem with "strong" women. FTR he has never to my knowledge had a problem with me, and I am VERY opinionated. Maybe its not (some of) the strong women, but their VIEWS?

Na I think it's coz you half suck up to him. He doesn't like women who don't.

[RedHead]

You know things were just a little too quiet around here Vince. You are somewhat like Napoleon....plotting his takeover of the world; but not really understanding what it takes. You my friend are currently in Russia; in winter and are starving to death.

Vince, believe it or not I like you. I find you to be witty and cutting; not always nice, but up until now the posts that I've read have always been in direct response to something said on the board to you or about you.

Why you would bring a personal blog onto the this site; which taken out of context would certainly stir the masses here? Why would you not have some modecom of decency to address it to her privately? Of all things Vince, I've always considered/thought of you as having a sense of right and wrong. I guess I was wrong!


I believe that you OWE SL an apology. Be a gentleman Vince and do the right thing!

[FitChick]

Na I think it's coz you half suck up to him. He doesn't like women who don't.

Its not called "sucking up". Its called (sometimes, maybe often) AGREEING with him.

I hold my OWN views and sometimes they agree with the majority here, sometimes they don't. Ditto for Vince's views on things. Its called being an independent thinker, having a mind of ones' own, and not always going with the group just to be seen as "in". Odd, how women are only seen as 'strong" when they toe the party line and "fit in"...

[CurvyEm]

Its not called "sucking up". Its called (sometimes, maybe often) AGREEING with him.

I hold my OWN views and sometimes they agree with the majority here, sometimes they don't. Ditto for Vince's views on things. Its called being an independent thinker, having a mind of ones' own, and not always going with the group just to be seen as "in". Odd, how women are only seen as 'strong" when they toe the party line and "fit in"...

Oh yeah because I never offend and I always agree with what people say. Of course!

[Carrie]

I hold my OWN views and sometimes they agree with the majority here, sometimes they don't. Ditto for Vince's views on things. Its called being an independent thinker, having a mind of ones' own, and not always going with the group just to be seen as "in". Odd, how women are only seen as 'strong" when they toe the party line and "fit in"...

Actually, some of us manage quite well to fit in, be well-liked, and be independent thinkers. You'd be hard-pressed to accuse me of being a mental lemming, yet I get along quite well here and have many friends. So do Jes, BB, Jane, Tina, Vickie, rainyday.... I could go on and on. If you think we're well-liked because we suck up and pander, you're not paying attention at all.

[TraciJo67]

I saw the episode that SL refers to. I didn't see any humor in it. In fact, I found the entire show to be unbearably sad. The woman was completely immobile, had numerous health problems, and was very obviously in a lot of pain (both emotional and physical). She cried as she was trying to get into the van. It was very difficult to watch.

Having said that, I think I can understand SL's reaction. She has a very dark sense of humor, and there is something macabre about watching a show in which a 627 lb woman has to be shoved into a van. It's not nice to laugh, but it is human -- much in the same way that some of us involuntarily chuckle when we see someone fall, or walk around with toilet paper hanging out of pants, or glimpse an ass cheek because the hapless victim tucked her skirt into her hose. We empathize, because we've all been through humiliating experiences. But often, our first reaction is to laugh.

SL is an empathetic & caring person, with a sick & twisted sense of humor (and me likey :D). That is what I am going to believe.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

You wrote: " Mom and I were watching some program about a 627 lb woman on TLC. If you met my mother, you'd think she was a very nice lady. You might think I'm a nice lady. You would think wrong. We spent the better part of the hour laughing as they tried to stuff this large woman into a van. Literally, they were just blindly shoving, not even trying to get her on the seat. While Mom and I both have sympathy and love for people, we're not immune to laughing our asses off at dehumanization. Dad reacts completely differently, calling the woman disgusting while he eats out of the fridge.

Mom and I don't think the woman is disgusting; we both thought she seemed pretty nice. The thing is, by and large, our family has a dark sense of humor. We note every super-sized person, every retard, and every flamer. And we will snicker privately. I would also vouch that we're some of the most accepting people you'll meet. My mom has no problem being around anyone. Myself, I like most people."

Just wondering why you are on a board dedicated to large women if you secretly laugh at them?

Hey Vince,

You ALWAYS start the fun without me. And that hurts me. And yep, that's way taken out of context. And the point of writing that: Even nice people struggle with having a mean sense of humor. Ironically, I find the people most interested in "helping" fat people as though they're some kind of victims are belittling them in the most horrifying way. In that sense, you remind me a little bit of my dad with the advice on how to lose weight, when really, I can't recall you being asked.

BTW, if I'm publishing things for the world to be seen, it hardly seems a secret. I do not laugh at fat people in general, although you seemed to miss what I was laughing at here. It's the idea that we're somehow HONORING people or commiting some good by exploiting them. It's awful to laugh at that. That's something I need to personally change, and that's why I was talking about it. The program wasn't respectful. By the way, you are always more than welcomed to address me on my blog or email me at dianecasey21 (@) yahoo.com. I would not have caught the post if not for someone from the boards contacting me, and thanks everyone for the kind responses.

[EbonySSBBW]

Wasn't Vince quoting SADEIAN? You made it look as if VINCE used that word.

This is not directed at any one person here, but I have noticed a tendency to defend anyone who is part of the "in clique", and attack anyone who is not. Frankly, it really reminds me of grade school.


Vince questions why someone posts here and gets jumped on for it. Well, a few ppl here, incl. Sadeian, questioned why *I* post here, even though I have posted here off and on for about six years. Yet NO ONE called them on the carpet for doing it to ME. I guess because I'm not part of the "in clique"?

Excuse me, Mrs. FitChick. Please do not assume things about my post. I simply quoted that word and posted how I felt about it. That's it! If Vince quoted someone else then he shouldn't feel that what I said was directed at him. Perhaps next time you should ask a question before making an assumption. And FYI, I'm not a part of any clique on this board. I say what I want, when I want, to whom I want. Thank you!

[Jane]

Excuse me, Mrs. FitChick. Please do not assume things about my post. I simply quoted that word and posted how I felt about it. That's it! If Vince quoted someone else then he shouldn't feel that what I said was directed at him. Perhaps next time you should ask a question before making an assumption. And FYI, I'm not a part of any clique on this board. I say what I want, when I want, to whom I want. Thank you!
Ebony, that automatically makes you part of the clique. Any woman who thinks for herself has been labeled as part of it. Which is strange, because I guess we need to call it the unclique.

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

The funny thing is, I never even KNEW I was part of some so-called "clique." I've never met any of these people on here, nor have I spoken to anyone outside of this forum, save one person whom I've barely gotten a chance to speak to. I simply spoke up for what I thought was right. If that makes me part of some clique I've never received the invitation to, well, I'd still do what I feel is right. LoL

If that also makes me a "phony knight in shining armor, a hypocrit, a conformist," etc.etc., well, let me tell you, I'd STILL choose to do what I feel is right. Far be it for me to disagree with someone who seems to think they know me better than myself. :rolleyes:

[MisticalMisty]

Someone said Vince has a problem with "strong" women. FTR he has never to my knowledge had a problem with me, and I am VERY opinionated. Maybe its not (some of) the strong women, but their VIEWS?
Opinionated does not equal strong

[Moonchild]

Uhhh... does anyone else not find anything wrong with what she said to begin with? I'm not saying I agree with her, and I'm not saying she isn't wrong to laugh at fat people, which, as she pointed out, doesn't explain what she was doing at all anyway, but it appears to me that she was presenting her own actions in a negative light. It's not like she said "Hey guys, I saw this ridiculously funny fat woman, she was so huge she couldn't get in her car! It was great!" I don't necessarily want to say it was confessional in nature, but she certainly doesn't appear to be proud of it. Besides, acceptance does not mean refusing to find humor in something offensive. I make gay jokes all the friggin time, and my best friend is gay.

If she'd posted it here, yeah, maybe it would be a little... not good. But she didn't. Yeah, it's out there for anyone to see, but she didn't put it in a place where she's encouraging people to read it. If you do, it's on your own accord. If she'd posted it here it means she wants us to see it, but unless she knows you regularly read her blog her point is not for you to read it, and that means us.

Other than that, yeah, send a PM, none of our business, etc, etc. You guys already covered all that.

[missaf]

I'm in a clique, really? I usually go against the grain here, seeing as I'm weird enough to piss off just about everyone.

[UberAris]

The funny thing is, I never even KNEW I was part of some so-called "clique." I've never met any of these people on here, nor have I spoken to anyone outside of this forum, save one person whom I've barely gotten a chance to speak to. I simply spoke up for what I thought was right. If that makes me part of some clique I've never received the invitation to, well, I'd still do what I feel is right. LoL

If that also makes me a "phony knight in shining armor, a hypocrit, a conformist," etc.etc., well, let me tell you, I'd STILL choose to do what I feel is right. Far be it for me to disagree with someone who seems to think they know me better than myself. :rolleyes:

I was wondering why my armor says "Made in Canada" stamped on the waistline... Yeah gotta stand up for what you believe in!

[herin]

They may be "phony knights in armor", but I love 'em! :wubu:

[UberAris]

:) haha! Looks Like we have ourselves ONE fan Blackjack

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

Wasn't doing it for fans, but 'preciate it... :bow:

[Jane]

You are all forgetting what this is all about.

It's all about VINCE.

The sun rises and sets because he IS.

The world was created the moment he was born.

It will end when he dies.

We're all just here for his amusement.

One more time, his shit stirring makes him the center of attention. And he has the NERVE to call anyone else immature.

[Vince]

For Jane for being so nice.

[Isa]

You are all forgetting what this is all about.

It's all about VINCE.

The sun rises and sets because he IS.

The world was created the moment he was born.

It will end when he dies.

We're all just here for his amusement.

One more time, his shit stirring makes him the center of attention. And he has the NERVE to call anyone else immature.

That was so rep worthy.

[herin]

You are all forgetting what this is all about.

It's all about VINCE.

The sun rises and sets because he IS.

The world was created the moment he was born.

It will end when he dies.

We're all just here for his amusement.

One more time, his shit stirring makes him the center of attention. And he has the NERVE to call anyone else immature.

Ok. now *that* was awesome!

[Miss Vickie]

For Jane for being so nice.

Ooh, thanks, Vince. I snagged that pansy for myself. It's gorgeous and will make a lovely avatar when I tire of looking at Chloe's mug. ;)

Got any peonies, before I put you on Ignore? I love a good peonie.

[grey1969]

It sounds like this site angers you and makes you frustrated and unhappy. So why do you continue here? I think this place becomes what you make of it for each of us, meaning - if you act like an angry skunk, don't expect to be treated like a warm, fuzzy kitten.




SL can't get the same understanding? Why are you worthy of forgiveness, and SL not?



You are right that this site angers me intensely. But I seem unable to escape it. It is sort of like some really bad addiction or getting caught up in the Mob. Once you are in you do not get out (alive). :D

Regarding why I expect some understanding/forgiveness while having none for SL: I apologized more than once for my "perceived" transgressions. She has not. Instead it has all been turned around to make Vince the bad guy once again.

This situation that this thread is based on is analogous to a criminal getting off due to an illegal search and seizure and the resulting evidence being disallowed. SL may be not guilty due to a technicality, however, she is anything but innocent.

And the way the young punks that frequent this site rally around the women in some sort of flurry of defensiveness is really peculiar. It certainly puts a major hindrance on the ability to engage in serious debate, and simply gets things off on a very immature tangent. The state of this site is really a pity.

Samantha, I agree with your assessment. There is no point for me to be here any longer.

[TheSadeianLinguist]

What exactly am I guilty of? Being forthright about something? Sure, laughing at suffering isn't nice, but I don't believe I ever attempted to justify it.

[Blackjack]

This situation that this thread is based on is analogous to a criminal getting off due to an illegal search and seizure and the resulting evidence being disallowed. SL may be not guilty due to a technicality, however, she is anything but innocent.

SL is guilty of little more than having a peculiar sense of humor. You, on the other hand, have been quite rude on several occasions.

Likening SL to being a criminal because her sense of humor is one where she finds such dehumanization to be smirk-worthy is downright despicable. There's a difference between laughing at something and wanting to change that and being an all-out asshole.

And I love how it's always noted that the "young and noble knights" always come to rescue the women. Guess what- I'll come out and defend whoever I consider a friend, male or female, if I feel that they're being unfairly treated.

As for making it a circus of immaturity: I personally would prefer a bit of immaturity (if that's what it is) to the kind of shit that Vince pulls and you defend- which is rather immature in itself.

[grey1969]

SL is guilty of little more than having a peculiar sense of humor. You, on the other hand, have been quite rude on several occasions.

Likening SL to being a criminal because her sense of humor is one where she finds such dehumanization to be smirk-worthy is downright despicable. There's a difference between laughing at something and wanting to change that and being an all-out asshole.

And I love how it's always noted that the "young and noble knights" always come to rescue the women. Guess what- I'll come out and defend whoever I consider a friend, male or female, if I feel that they're being unfairly treated.

As for making it a circus of immaturity: I personally would prefer a bit of immaturity (if that's what it is) to the kind of shit that Vince pulls and you defend- which is rather immature in itself.

OK kid, I agree with you. Vince is an immature asshole. I was somewhat misled to go along with him for a while, but no longer. I chimed in here to get my shots in at SL. And you are well-intentioned I am sure, but why can't you just let the ladies fight their own battles for once. Now run along and do some growing up, will ya. I am off to more productive pursuits. ;)

[Ryan]

What exactly am I guilty of? Being forthright about something? Sure, laughing at suffering isn't nice, but I don't believe I ever attempted to justify it.

I'm not sure what you're guilty of either. There's a difference between laughing at a specific situation that a person is in and hating that person for who they are or what they look like. If I saw a blind person trip and fall...I'd laugh (as long as he or she wasn't seriously injured). I'd definitely help him or her up, but I'd still laugh. That doesn't mean I hate blind people. I laugh when friends and family members trip and fall or spill something all over themselves. I laugh when *I* trip and fall or spill something all over myself. I don't hate my friends and family, and I sure as hell don't hate myself.

[Littleghost]

Vince,

If your intent truly was a question about why SL has chosen to be a part of Dimensions, all you would have had to have done was read posts made here at Dimensions. You obviously are not illiterate.
I don't know, he could be one of those monkeys at a typewriter. It sure would explain why there's so much $#!T thrown around here.

Anyone got any flea repellent?
--Littleghost

[Blackjack]

And you are well-intentioned I am sure, but why can't you just let the ladies fight their own battles for once.

Like I said, I'll defend whoever I consider a friend. To not do so would be wrong.

Now run along and do some growing up, will ya.

And I'm the immature one here?

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

OK kid, I agree with you. Vince is an immature asshole. I was somewhat misled to go along with him for a while, but no longer. I chimed in here to get my shots in at SL. And you are well-intentioned I am sure, but why can't you just let the ladies fight their own battles for once. Now run along and do some growing up, will ya. I am off to more productive pursuits. ;)

Yet look who came to the valiant defense of Vince in his time of need? Not once, before your own post, did I see anyone address or refer to you. Maybe you should listen to your own advice sometime.... Oh, wait, now I get to say it... HYPOCRIT! LoL

[grey1969]

Yet look who came to the valiant defense of Vince in his time of need? Not once, before your own post, did I see anyone address or refer to you. Maybe you should listen to your own advice sometime.... Oh, wait, now I get to say it... HYPOCRIT! LoL

Okay I see we have another youngster here with poor reading comprehension skills. I did not chime in here to defend Vince but to take my own shots at SL, which Vince had so graciously given me the opportunity to do. No hypocrisy here, just plain old fashioned spite. I repeat my earlier statement: Vince is an immature asshole. Therefore, he fits in with the likes of you Blackjack boys quite well in my estimation.

[Blackjack_Jeeves]

LoL You're funny. You just SAID you came to his side earlier. Wait, let me pull up the exact words.... I was somewhat misled to go along with him for a while...

People like you make web boards irritating beyond belief... oh, and pulling the "age car" really shows you for who you are... I don't discriminate against old people, do I?

Ignored!

[Blackjack]

Okay I see we have another youngster here with poor reading comprehension skills. I did not chime in here to defend Vince but to take my own shots at SL, which Vince had so graciously given me the opportunity to do. No hypocrisy here, just plain old fashioned spite. I repeat my earlier statement: Vince is an immature asshole. Therefore, he fits in with the likes of you Blackjack boys quite well in my estimation.

You're only hurting yourself, you know. Although I do have a slight semblance of respect for people who use the "if I say it enough times then it'll be true" approach to debating.

[grey1969]

You're only hurting yourself, you know. Although I do have a slight semblance of respect for people who use the "if I say it enough times then it'll be true" approach to debating.


Only hurting myself. How so? I think my standing with this community is pretty much as low as it could go anyway, wouldn't you say? I am just explaining my actions is all. :)

And why the picture with such a solemn look? You look as sad as I feel in that picture. :(

[Blackjack]

Only hurting myself. How so? I think my standing with this community is pretty much as low as it could go anyway, wouldn't you say? I am just explaining my actions is all. :)

And why the picture with such a solemn look? You look as sad as I feel in that picture. :(

Your standing is low, yes, but there's always a way to drop another level.

You're explaining your actions, yes, but in a manner that doesn't really fit with prior statements. And then you tack on a slew of insults.

[grey1969]

Your standing is low, yes, but there's always a way to drop another level.

You're explaining your actions, yes, but in a manner that doesn't really fit with prior statements. And then you tack on a slew of insults.

So what prior statements do not fit with the most recent post? Do tell dear boy.

And, no there was no intention of an insult there.

[Blackjack]

Forget it. I'm done with you.

[grey1969]

Forget it. I'm done with you.

Oh and we were so close to getting this thread up and over 100 posts. Well maybe someone else can pick it up. Then again I think this thread has over-stayed its welcome on this fine forum. Maybe the whole thing ought to just be deleted. Mods how about it??? :D

[herin]

Hee hee. . .continues the controversy. . .:p *pushes onwards to 100 just for Wayne* :D

[Alicia Rose]

LoL! well if we're going to talk comic book heros and villans... Someone be Sam, I'll be Max

http://gamemag.ru/arts/sam_and_max.jpg

(dog is sam, crazed looking rabbit... thing... is max)

I'll be Sam. I'm moving to about five miles from you this coming weekend.

And you can make 'Sam' out of my name too: take the S from Divals, the A from Divals, and the M from Micah :p

=Divals

[Sandie_Zitkus]

What exactly am I guilty of? Being forthright about something? Sure, laughing at suffering isn't nice, but I don't believe I ever attempted to justify it.

You have no need to apologize. This is what Vince does. He's a snake. Brush it off and move on honey. We all love you here!!;)

[Alicia Rose]

You have no need to apologize. This is what Vince does. He's a snake. Brush it off and move on honey. We all love you here!!;)

Here comes the snake.

A snake who hates liberals too. *grr*

[UberAris]

Here comes the snake.

A snake who hates liberals too. *grr*

Whos the libral hateing snake??? I'm a libral... show me this snake *pulls out the perverbal chainsaw of subbern librialism*

[Mini]

It makes me sad when people aren't beaten to death for insolence.

[UberAris]

It makes me sad when people aren't beaten to death for insolence.

I'm up for a burning at the stake anyday of the week :D

It tops day time talk shows hands down

[Mini]

I'm up for a burning at the stake anyday of the week :D


Why does that make me really hungry?

[UberAris]

Yeah... Dimentions brand (TM) Slow Cooked, Rotisserie-style Imbecile

[FreeThinker]

I'm up for a burning at the stake anyday of the week :D

It tops day time talk shows hands downMan, your posts are hilarious when I read them as coming from Max!

[Santaclear]

I'm up for a burning of the steak. :eat2:

[Angel]

I did not chime in here to defend Vince but to take my own shots at SL

Yep, that's maturity. Very fine example. You young immature boys take notice. ;)

[Tina]

Nothing useful or productive here. Thread closed.