This one conspiracy theory idiot

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

On a local radio show there is a segment called Paranormal Tuesdays with a man named Dr. Lynch. Usually it deals with Bigfoot and ghosts and stuff but sometimes it goes into political conspiracy theory. Dr. Lynch is also on the side that Bigfoot/Ogopogo/Loch Ness Monster/UFOs etc are out there.

Yesterday was the release of the Pentagon surveillance video showing the plane hitting it on 9/11. Dr. Lynch still maintains that it was a cruise missile and that Unocal, Halliburtion, the Rothchilds, and the Queen were behind it (and probably Colonel Sanders too before he went tete's up)

How can a guy who has the mentality of "if it smells like a bigfoot, if it walks like a bigfoot, it has to be a bigfoot" be inconsistent here with "if it smells like an islamofacist terrorist attack, if it walks like an islamofacist terrorist attack, it must be a government conspiracy"?

How's this for a conspiracy to prove just how bogus they are:

The Clintons are behind 9/11.

- They had 8 years to plan and put people in position, including the FBI and CIA chairs.

- They briefed the Bush Administration and gave him faulty intelligence on the terrorist threat in 2001 and pulled off the attack before they could figure out the intelligence was wrong.

- This is why Hillary became a senator from NEW YORK and not Arkansas

- Gore's campaign in 2000 was sabotaged by the Clintons so that a Republican would be at the helm when 9/11 happened.

- Because it wasn't really done by islamic terrorists, yet the false intelligence the Clintons gave Bush says it was, it through Bush onto a wild goose chase looking for Osama Bin Laden (who's actually George Stephanopolous in a beard and drag), and creating more NSA programs to counter act the non-existent threat of terrorists, driving down his ratings and those of Republicans in general. This will give Hillary an easy shot at the White House in 2008 and the Democrats control of Congress by then as well.



See how easy it is? This actually makes more sense and is more plausible/easy to pull off than any Bush conspiracy out there.

I can also use Beatle album covers and songs to prove that it was Ringo who died in 1966.

How can people be either so disconnected like this, or so filled with hate or agenda to come up with such stuff?

[HappyFatChick]

There is a great story on WorldNetDaily.com about just this. Judicial Watch demanded the release of the tape that was being held until Moussaoui was in prison.
And sure enough, the tape proves it was a commercial jet that hit the building. Duh...
Nothing the lunatic left fringe does surprises me anymore. The hate, lies, deceit, and anger are appalling.

[Zandoz]

How can people be either so disconnected like this, or so filled with hate or agenda to come up with such stuff?

The need to fill air time....and the addage that the more sensational, the more ratings.

[Alicia Rose]

There is a great story on WorldNetDaily.com about just this. Judicial Watch demanded the release of the tape that was being held until Moussaoui was in prison.
And sure enough, the tape proves it was a commercial jet that hit the building. Duh...
Nothing the lunatic right fringe does surprises me anymore. The hate, lies, deceit, and anger are appalling.

I have noted a discrepency in your post and corrected it. No thanks are necessary. :)

=Divals

[Jane]

There is a great story on WorldNetDaily.com about just this. Judicial Watch demanded the release of the tape that was being held until Moussaoui was in prison.
And sure enough, the tape proves it was a commercial jet that hit the building. Duh...
Nothing the lunatic left fringe does surprises me anymore. The hate, lies, deceit, and anger are appalling.
How is this the left?

Lunatics are lunatics.

Apologies to Divals...I posted this before I saw your correction.

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

Lunatics occupy both fringes.

[Zandoz]

Lunatics occupy both fringes.

Hmmmmm....could there be a market for fringe combs? Hmmmm

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

Let's go comb the desert!

[Jane]

Why is there only 1/2 a Chippy in your avatar?

[JudgeDredd425]

On a local radio show there is a segment called Paranormal Tuesdays with a man named Dr. Lynch. Usually it deals with Bigfoot and ghosts and stuff but sometimes it goes into political conspiracy theory. Dr. Lynch is also on the side that Bigfoot/Ogopogo/Loch Ness Monster/UFOs etc are out there.

Yesterday was the release of the Pentagon surveillance video showing the plane hitting it on 9/11. Dr. Lynch still maintains that it was a cruise missile and that Unocal, Halliburtion, the Rothchilds, and the Queen were behind it (and probably Colonel Sanders too before he went tete's up)

How can a guy who has the mentality of "if it smells like a bigfoot, if it walks like a bigfoot, it has to be a bigfoot" be inconsistent here with "if it smells like an islamofacist terrorist attack, if it walks like an islamofacist terrorist attack, it must be a government conspiracy"?

How's this for a conspiracy to prove just how bogus they are:

The Clintons are behind 9/11.

- They had 8 years to plan and put people in position, including the FBI and CIA chairs.

- They briefed the Bush Administration and gave him faulty intelligence on the terrorist threat in 2001 and pulled off the attack before they could figure out the intelligence was wrong.

- This is why Hillary became a senator from NEW YORK and not Arkansas

- Gore's campaign in 2000 was sabotaged by the Clintons so that a Republican would be at the helm when 9/11 happened.

- Because it wasn't really done by islamic terrorists, yet the false intelligence the Clintons gave Bush says it was, it through Bush onto a wild goose chase looking for Osama Bin Laden (who's actually George Stephanopolous in a beard and drag), and creating more NSA programs to counter act the non-existent threat of terrorists, driving down his ratings and those of Republicans in general. This will give Hillary an easy shot at the White House in 2008 and the Democrats control of Congress by then as well.



See how easy it is? This actually makes more sense and is more plausible/easy to pull off than any Bush conspiracy out there.

I can also use Beatle album covers and songs to prove that it was Ringo who died in 1966.

How can people be either so disconnected like this, or so filled with hate or agenda to come up with such stuff?



There is a conspiracy and they have done a pretty good job with it to date. I'm not saying I have all the details, or even most of them because I don't. But what I do know is that things don't add up correctly. Take the Pentagon strike.

Is there a place in this country that might have more surveillance cameras working 24/7 than Washington D.C.? The 1.5 seconds or whatever the length of the snippet of film shown before the hit is completely blurred. Whatever the object is, it should clear to all that it is not the size of a jetliner.

Other than that little bit of film absolutely nothing has been released by the government showing any aircraft near or enroute towards the Pentagon. Then there is the matter of the physical evidence or should I say complete lack thereof.

I know everybody has seen air crash photos before and there is one thing in common with them all. That is debris. There are always pieces of the aircraft left semi-intact if not intact. But there was none at the Pentagon, just a 16 foot hole in a wall. How does a jetliner with a wing span over 124 feet and a tail wing height of over 44 feet fold up into itself and produce a more or less round hole 16 ft or so in diameter. The smart answer is that it does not. This is just not possible.

Checkout this clip at: http://www.myblam.com/menu_flashmovies_detail.php?flashmovie_id=4#Main

You may not like the messenger, but that does not mean you should not listen to the message. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[HappyFatChick]

I respectfully disagree Judge. I have read/watched/listened to everything I can get my hands on and I agree with the President.

Questions: if flight 77 from Dulles did not crash into the Pentagon, where did it go? What about all the dead? What about all the phone calls?

Is everyone aware that 3 of the Muslim hijackers were stopped at security metal detectors? AND DETAINED! And some idiot security person (who I will not name) let them thru with boxcutters!!!

There is a great story on Wikipedia about AA Flight 77. Lots of names and details too.

[1300 Class]

Most conspiricy theories are just that, theories with no basis what so ever except in the warped logic of the creator. I echo what Happyfitchick has said.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Judge I agree completely. My question is and has been from the very beginning:

If it was a jet that hit the Pentagon - where were the wings???

*shrug*

There is a conspiracy and they have done a pretty good job with it to date. I'm not saying I have all the details, or even most of them because I don't. But what I do know is that things don't add up correctly. Take the Pentagon strike.

Is there a place in this country that might have more surveillance cameras working 24/7 than Washington D.C.? The 1.5 seconds or whatever the length of the snippet of film shown before the hit is completely blurred. Whatever the object is, it should clear to all that it is not the size of a jetliner.

Other than that little bit of film absolutely nothing has been released by the government showing any aircraft near or enroute towards the Pentagon. Then there is the matter of the physical evidence or should I say complete lack thereof.

I know everybody has seen air crash photos before and there is one thing in common with them all. That is debris. There are always pieces of the aircraft left semi-intact if not intact. But there was none at the Pentagon, just a 16 foot hole in a wall. How does a jetliner with a wing span over 124 feet and a tail wing height of over 44 feet fold up into itself and produce a more or less round hole 16 ft or so in diameter. The smart answer is that it does not. This is just not possible.

Checkout this clip at: http://www.myblam.com/menu_flashmovies_detail.php?flashmovie_id=4#Main

You may not like the messenger, but that does not mean you should not listen to the message. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[1300 Class]

It hit a building and exploded in a fireball. Fuel in the wings. Not surprised anything much was left.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

It hit a building and exploded in a fireball. Fuel in the wings. Not surprised anything much was left.

Well see I just can't accept that answer. If you look at the first plane that hit the first twin tower the body of the plane and the wings left impressions in the building. It was clear a plane had hit the building.

Look at the perfect hole that was left in the Pentagon and then tell me the damage was done to both buildings by planes.

I just don't believe it.

[JudgeDredd425]

I respectfully disagree Judge. I have read/watched/listened to everything I can get my hands on and I agree with the President.

Questions: if flight 77 from Dulles did not crash into the Pentagon, where did it go? What about all the dead? What about all the phone calls?

Is everyone aware that 3 of the Muslim hijackers were stopped at security metal detectors? AND DETAINED! And some idiot security person (who I will not name) let them thru with boxcutters!!!

There is a great story on Wikipedia about AA Flight 77. Lots of names and details too.


There were lots of "names" in the Warren Commission Report too, but that does not make any of it true or accurate. Bottom line to what I'm saying is that we do not have the whole truth of the matter. What about Flight 93? The possible real story is that the Air Force shot it down. I find that a lot more believable than the fiction that not a single fighter plane in the country was fueled, armed, and with pilot on September 11th, 2001 and thus we were not able to intercept any of the alleged terrorist take-over airplanes.

[Chimpi]

Look at the perfect hole that was left in the Pentagon and then tell me the damage was done to both buildings by planes.

BELIEVE IT!! :D
It disintegrated, along with the black box, bodies, and any records of any sort of "thing"... except the warped and otherwise un-scratched pieces thrown about. *shrugs* Just remember, it disintegrated. Afterall, there are 5 frames released that prove it was an airplane. :)

[Sandie_Zitkus]

BELIEVE IT!! :D
It disintegrated, along with the black box, bodies, and any records of any sort of "thing"... except the warped and otherwise un-scratched pieces thrown about. *shrugs* Just remember, it disintegrated. Afterall, there are 5 frames released that prove it was an airplane. :)

Yeah sure and the Easter Bunny lives with me!:rolleyes:

[Tina]

Liar. http://www.tcdesign.net/smilies/angryfire.gif

I've seen that butt-naked pic of Wayne that he's posted here and he had no cotton tail, Sandie.

*sigh* Some people. http://www.tcdesign.net/smilies/imwaiting.gif

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Liar. http://www.tcdesign.net/smilies/angryfire.gif

I've seen that butt-naked pic of Wayne that he's posted here and he had no cotton tail, Sandie.

*sigh* Some people.
http://www.tcdesign.net/smilies/imwaiting.gif

Umm well you got me.......damn.:doh:

[1300 Class]

Well, you can believe in whatever whacked out theories you want to. I do not subscribe to them, but thats ok.

[Ashley]

I'm usually of the opinion that conspiracy theories are ridiculous, pointless crap. However, there is something about the Pentagon strike and the limited amount of information that the government has disclosed that doesn't sit right with me. I don't know what happened, but it's obvious to me that there's something major that the government is withholding, here.

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

I seriously can't believe that there are people here that still subscribe to the missile idea. BTW, the wings theory has been disproven many times.

I hope no one here had family members that died on that flight or in the Pentagon. I can only imagine how sick they would feel to hear someone disrespect their loss like that.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

I seriously can't believe that there are people here that still subscribe to the missile idea. BTW, the wings theory has been disproven many times.

I hope no one here had family members that died on that flight or in the Pentagon. I can only imagine how sick they would feel to hear someone disrespect their loss like that.

I don't tow any party line and I do not believe the crap our government spoon feeds us - HOWEVER - that in no way means I have no respect for the people who died that day.

How do you get from an opinion to disrespect of the families anyway?? I'm mystified by that - and quite frankly insulted by you telling me what I think.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Well, you can believe in whatever whacked out theories you want to. I do not subscribe to them, but thats ok.

Again calling someone a whacko is just so productive. This whole discussion is amazing to me. If you disagree call names - is that where we are here?:rolleyes:

[JudgeDredd425]

I seriously can't believe that there are people here that still subscribe to the missile idea. BTW, the wings theory has been disproven many times.

I hope no one here had family members that died on that flight or in the Pentagon. I can only imagine how sick they would feel to hear someone disrespect their loss like that.


Serious question: What is so disrespectful in the search for the truth? The government has lied before, it lies on a daily basis about things big and small, why do you find it so much of a stretch that they can't, won't, or have not already lied about some or all of this?

[Ashley]

I agree with Sandie. Questioning the information you're fed doesn't make you disrespectful. Actually, I feel that we owe it to the families of those who died that day to be sure that we know the truth. If you believe what the government has told us about that day, then that's fine. I respect that. I, however, happen to believe that there's something that they're not telling us.

[Fuzzy]

I haven't read the missle theory. What does it claim happened to the passengers? Offloaded, and bought off, never to tell? Offloaded, and shot to death by a crack swat team?

[JudgeDredd425]

I haven't read the missle theory. What does it claim happened to the passengers? Offloaded, and bought off, never to tell? Offloaded, and shot to death by a crack swat team?

General theory states that it was a phantom flight. Completely made up. Of course the government released a list of passengers, but did you or anybody you know actually know any of the people allegedly killed on any of the "hijacked" aircraft. It is possible to fly aircraft by remote control, assuming in the Pentagon case it was a plane at all.

There are only two things I know for sure about these events: 1. The government is lying 2. We have not been given all the facts and none of the real evidence.

[1300 Class]

Again calling someone a whacko is just so productive. This whole discussion is amazing to me. If you disagree call names - is that where we are here?:rolleyes:

I said the theory was whacked. From my experience Sandie, you are one of the most sane and sensible people here.

I don't tow any party line and I do not believe the crap our government spoon feeds us - HOWEVER - that in no way means I have no respect for the people who died that day.

So, may I ask, is that you do not subscribe to the official version because its from the government, and because it is from the government?

There are only two things I know for sure about these events: 1. The government is lying 2. We have not been given all the facts and none of the real evidence.

Based on what evidence? Oh, evidence that doesn't exist because its been hushed up/"did exist"/blackmailed by the government? ;)

[Sandie_Zitkus]

I said the theory was whacked. From my experience Sandie, you are one of the most sane and sensible people here.

Thank you. :)



So, may I ask, is that you do not subscribe to the official version because its from the government, and because it is from the government?

well I am inclined not to believe anything our government tells us. So I guess yes - I disbelieve because the government said so. But if you do enough reading it's hard not to believe there is a HUGE coverup going on.

[missaf]

Politically, I disagree with just about everyone here, but I have to agree that what has been released regarding the pentagon "crash" is misleading and only partial evidence. I have a hard time believing a plane crashed into the building by what we've seen so far.

[kilo riley]

I have no reason to believe the conspiracy theory

but I also don't see a plane in that video that was released.

[1300 Class]

but I also don't see a plane in that video that was released.
There was a blurry slverish aeroplaney obejct in two of the frames, but it was travelling at such high speed it makes it hard to identify.
well I am inclined not to believe anything our government tells us. So I guess yes - I disbelieve because the government said so. But if you do enough reading it's hard not to believe there is a HUGE coverup going on.
Si, if there was an equivelent of a Royal Commission that supported the notion that a hijacked aeroplane was piloted into the pentagon, would that be convincing?

[Sandie_Zitkus]

There was a blurry slverish aeroplaney obejct in two of the frames, but it was travelling at such high speed it makes it hard to identify.

Si, if there was an equivelent of a Royal Commission that supported the notion that a hijacked aeroplane was piloted into the pentagon, would that be convincing?

NO!!!!!!!! LOL:bow:

[1300 Class]

Theres no appeasing the wicked...:rolleyes:

[kilo riley]

There was a blurry slverish aeroplaney obejct in two of the frames, but it was travelling at such high speed it makes it hard to identify.




hard to identify

If I didn't already know I was supposed to be looking for an aeroplane I wouldn't even identify it as a blurry aeroplaney object. If a missle hitting the pentagon was the official story and you showed me that video and tried to convince me it was a aeroplane and not a missle i'd call you crazy.

cuz i see no aeroplane

mind you..I don't believe the conspiracy theories. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. But this is far from the visual evidence needed to silence these theories.

[1300 Class]

Please, you can tell that it is not a missile, or anything of the sort. No matter how clear, how simple the logic, or how many times it has obviously been debunked, people will continue to spout it, and continue to believe it.

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

Here's my point.

You have the video (clear or not)
You have the eyewitnesses on the highway that goes by the Pentagon who diverted their cars because they thought the plane was going to land on the highway.
You have eyewitnesses in nearby office buildings and gas stations.
You have the grieving families of family, friends and children that they never saw again.
Numerous non-government-affiliated scientists have explained how the wings worked as well as other difference between a plane and a missile in both impact and resulting damage.
Osama Bin Ladin admitted he did it.

I can understand distrust in government. I've been wary of it since 94 or so. But are you going to tell me all of these peoples' testimonies don't count? Yet I bet the conspirarist (sp?) readily accepts all the eyewitnesses that said JFK was shot from the grassy knoll.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Yet I bet the conspirarist (sp?) readily accepts all the eyewitnesses that said JFK was shot from the grassy knoll.

You be wrong. :)

[missaf]

So Chippy believes the magic bullet theory?

bin ladin admitting he did it doesn't mean it was a terrorist attack. He'll admit to anything that would give his cause more fame.

Grieving families does not mean their families members were lost when smashing into the Pentagon.

Experts do not agree on what happened to the wreckage of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

The trajectory and piloting skills of the 9/11 hijackers don't mix.

You could go on and on and try and explain away every difference of opinion, but you have to admit that there are plenty of holes in the investigation as far as we can see.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Bin Laden may have taken credit for the attack - but - why were the bulk of the terrorists Saudi Arabians?? And why were the Saudi Arabian royal family the only people who were allowed to fly out of our country (remember ALL flights were grounded after the attack) during the grounding of all flights??

[missaf]

Bin Laden may have taken credit for the attack - but - why were the bulk of the terrorists Saudi Arabians?? And why were the Saudi Arabian royal family the only people who were allowed to fly out of our country (remember ALL flights were grounded after the attack) during the grounding of all flights??

bin Laden is Saudi, I imagine the closest friends he could trust to execute anything were Saudi, too (his best trained). bin Laden kids were even flown out of the country.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

bin Laden is Saudi, I imagine the closest friends he could trust to execute anything were Saudi, too (his best trained). bin Laden kids were even flown out of the country.

oops that's right! LOL:D So then why did we attack Iraq? This stuff makes my head hurt.:doh:

[ScreamingChicken]

oops that's right! LOL:D So then why did we attack Iraq? This stuff makes my head hurt.:doh:
Because Bush has this vendetta against Saddam for trying to off his dad when 41 left the White Office. That and to finish what dad wasn't able to do at the end of the Gulf War.

[NYEmtEsq]

Because Bush has this vendetta against Saddam for trying to off his dad when 41 left the White Office. That and to finish what dad wasn't able to do at the end of the Gulf War.

This, whilst a convenient explanation, does not explain why the Democrats were beating the war drum against Saddam in 1998 (and invoking the very same justifications later invoked by President Bush). Either both were right, or both were wrong. It simply can't be both.

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

So Chippy believes the magic bullet theory?

bin ladin admitting he did it doesn't mean it was a terrorist attack. He'll admit to anything that would give his cause more fame.

Grieving families does not mean their families members were lost when smashing into the Pentagon.

Experts do not agree on what happened to the wreckage of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

The trajectory and piloting skills of the 9/11 hijackers don't mix.

You could go on and on and try and explain away every difference of opinion, but you have to admit that there are plenty of holes in the investigation as far as we can see.


There are holes but the evidence is overwhelmingly in one direction (especially the eyewitnesses).

The biggest hole in a Bush conspiracy however is, how did they pull it off with just a few months to plan? If they wanted to do it, they would have made it more airtight, done it further into the term (perhaps closer to the 04 election to help secure a victory there). These people can't even secure the border or keep leaks about simpler scandals from happening. To cover up something this big would be akin to faking the moon landing. Someone would slip up.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Chippy whether you want to believe it or not this had been in the works for years. And I think both sides are involved. But it's just a theary. LOL:shocked:

*head hurts must stop typing*



There are holes but the evidence is overwhelmingly in one direction (especially the eyewitnesses).

The biggest hole in a Bush conspiracy however is, how did they pull it off with just a few months to plan? If they wanted to do it, they would have made it more airtight, done it further into the term (perhaps closer to the 04 election to help secure a victory there). These people can't even secure the border or keep leaks about simpler scandals from happening. To cover up something this big would be akin to faking the moon landing. Someone would slip up.

[LarryTheShiveringChipmunk]

I *know* it took years. That's why it wasn't Bush.

[Sandie_Zitkus]

Here's an interesting read. How do you think this ties into 9/11??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-15-dna-usat_x.htm

[Sandie_Zitkus]

I *know* it took years. That's why it wasn't Bush.

Poppy Bush has been in Washington for YEEEEEARS!

[kilo riley]

This, whilst a convenient explanation, does not explain why the Democrats were beating the war drum against Saddam in 1998 (and invoking the very same justifications later invoked by President Bush). Either both were right, or both were wrong. It simply can't be both.

Clinton made regime change Iraq policy only after being persuaded by the PNAC crowd. There was never any war drum for an invasion of Iraq in 1998.

[kilo riley]

Here's my point.

You have the video (clear or not)
You have the eyewitnesses on the highway that goes by the Pentagon who diverted their cars because they thought the plane was going to land on the highway.
You have eyewitnesses in nearby office buildings and gas stations.
You have the grieving families of family, friends and children that they never saw again.
Numerous non-government-affiliated scientists have explained how the wings worked as well as other difference between a plane and a missile in both impact and resulting damage.
Osama Bin Ladin admitted he did it.

I can understand distrust in government. I've been wary of it since 94 or so. But are you going to tell me all of these peoples' testimonies don't count? Yet I bet the conspirarist (sp?) readily accepts all the eyewitnesses that said JFK was shot from the grassy knoll.


I believe a plane hit the pentagon. I just don't see a plane in that video.

[Zandoz]

I don't accept the government or the conspiracy line on this (or most other controversial matters). What I do believe is that 99.999999999% of us (and probably more) do not have enough REAL knowledge of what happened, to KNOW one way or the other.

Having said that, I must admit that the day it happened, my first reaction to the news clips of the pentagon site was to say to my wife that it looked more like missile or bomb damage...and that some adrenalin hyped fighter pilot, or secret service guy on a government building with with a shoulder launched, had probably gotten carried away and missed what ever they thought they were shooting at. <shrug>

But, even if it really wasn't an airliner, and was a missile or some such, I definitely do not believe it was some kind of pre-hatched plot. Our government/intelligence/military communities are not capable of that kind of organization, planning, and execution...except when it comes to covering their asses.

[1300 Class]

So, tell me, how does one tell the difference between missile damage and that of an exploded passanger aeroplane?

[Ashley]

I'm with the highly irregular Mr. Z, here. I think it's a stretch to believe that all of 9/11 was just some massive plot. I think that if anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon that day, it was a HUGE screw-up. A huge cover-up followed, and that's why the only footage we have is a mere 5 frames long and proves neither the missile theory nor the official position that it was a plane. Until I see some concrete, clear proof that it was a plane, I'll continue believing the above. The end.

[Thrifty McGriff]

I believe it was suggested by some conspiracists (spelling? don't know or care at this time, drinking is fun!) that it was neither a big jet or a missile but a small plane or jet sized aircraft.

[Zandoz]

So, tell me, how does one tell the difference between missile damage and that of an exploded passanger aeroplane?

The amount of damage....it seems to me that the mass of projectile at the velocity necessary to keep it flying, compounded by the explosive force of said projectile's fuel, equals a REALLY big hole. My not-remotely-an-expert-but-has-a-lot-of-physics-background impression, at first sight of the news footage (before any of the conspiracy or cover-up spin doctors got their 2 cents worth in, was that the damage was not big enough for an airliner like was clearly seen that day flying into the towers.

Again, I do not claim to KNOW...that was just my reaction at the time. I know a lot of folks will take exception to this, but at this point, I don't care if it was an airliner, a missile, or a crazed bunch of Kamikaze gulls off the Potomac. It's been 40 plus years since somebody (or somebodies) shot Kennedy...60 some since FDR supposedly knew ahead of time about Pearl Harbor...and 90 some since Wilson supposedly had a hand in the sinking of the Lusitania. If ever single one of these supposed conspiracies were proven true or false today, not a single bit of history since their occurrences will change...and it would not put a bite of food on my table, a drop of fuel in my car or furnace, nor pay a single doctor bill.

In other words, it ain't worth arguing over.

[Orso]

The wonderful thing of conspiracies is that they are conspiracies, by definition with very little evidences, and the better they are, the more difficult to debunk they are.

So, taking the conspiracy theory to the extreme, we can think that the world is ruled by a group of people who organized the perfect conspiracy, so perfect that there is absolutely no evidence of it.

And just the absolute lack of evidence proves that the perfect conspiracy is real, very effective and working! ;)

[TheMildlyStrangeone]

I think it's rather sad and somewhat sickening for people to live in a world where they think so little of their government that they would buy into malarkey like this. First off, I love how everyone is an engineering expert and/or ballistics expert. You simply cannot compare two completely different structures in the world trade center twin towers and pentagon. They have completely different structual components in which they would react entirely opposite of each other. The WTC twin towers wasn't built to sustain an attack like the pentagon was. I'm quite sure the pentagon is massively reinforced because of assumed attacks against it whereas the WTC engineers themselves only built in measures for a small commuter plane crashing into it. Additionally, many like to bring up the fact that there is so much debris with other crashes. Well, you need to realize that in most cases pilots are aboard to do fuel dumps to minimalize any excess fuel to explode on impact whereas the hijackers specifically targeted planes with far distances to be travelled because of the larger amount of fuel in the planes. Lastly, I'd offer that sight can be very decieving. Our eyes decieve us all the time and most assuredly cannot take in things as fast as they happen. I think depending on the frame footage of the video surveillance system that captured the plane crashing into the pentagon it would be hard for the human eye to decipher the information. For a pretty damn great movie about visual deception, watch
Blowup, directed by Michelangelo Antonioni, about a photographer who may or may not have photographed a murder.

[TheMildlyStrangeone]

read this also http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[1300 Class]

Meyssan offers no real explanation for what did cause the extensive damage to the Pentagon, asserting only that Flight 77 did not exist, no plane crashed into the Pentagon, and that "the American government is lying."
So it says nothing, proves nothing and is generally a load of old fluffy.

[TheMildlyStrangeone]

So it says nothing, proves nothing and is generally a load of old fluffy.


if you learned how to read may be you'd see that the portion you quoted is the myth the site is debunking. Maybe boxing all those kangaroos is gettin to your noggin ;)