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1300 Class
05-29-2006, 04:06 AM
There is renewed talk about the NAU with this new report and a recent meeting between Bush, Harper and Fox where it is rumored they discussed the possibility indepth.

QUOTE:
The North American Union is a proposed supranational or international entity encompassing the nations of Canada, the United States and Mexico. The blueprint for this organization was laid out in a 2006 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). It is modeled loosely on the European Union. A proposed common currency would be called the "Amero," modeled after the EU's common currency, the Euro. The three nations that make up the NAU would ease remaining trade and travel restrictions with each other, making entry into their countries from the other two as easy as crossing state or provincial lines within each of said countries. Because of this, the NAU is seen by many in the United States as an end run around Federal immigration laws and eliminating the need for amnesty for illegal immigrants currently being debated in the US Congress. This organization is also seen by many as surrendering US sovereignty. Because of these and other provisions that would be enacted if the NAU was put in place, it is considered to be nothing more than an unconstitutional therefore illegal international treaty by many in the United States.


Thats the rumored proposal, here is what appears to be the groundwork for such a union....


QUOTE:
President George Bush, President Vicente Fox of Mexico, and Prime Minister Paul Martin of Canada unveiled a blueprint for a safer and more prosperous North America when they announced the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) on March 23 in Waco, TX. They agreed on ambitious security and prosperity agendas to keep our borders closed to terrorism and open to trade. The SPP is based on the premise that security and our economic prosperity are mutually reinforcing, and recognizes that our three great nations are bound by a shared belief in freedom, economic opportunity, and strong democratic institutions.

The SPP provides the framework to ensure that North America is the safest and best place to live and do business. The Partnership is a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries through greater cooperation and information-sharing.

Guided by a Leaders Statement and Action Plans on Security and Prosperity, Cabinet Secretaries and Ministers convened trilateral working groups to develop concrete work plans and specific timetables for securing North America and ensuring legitimate travelers and cargo efficiently cross our shared borders; enhancing the competitive position of North American industries in the global marketplace; and, providing greater economic opportunities for all of our societies while maintaining high standards of health and safety.

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MoonGoddess
05-29-2006, 04:53 AM
I am at a loss for words.

MoonGoddess

Tina
05-29-2006, 11:26 AM
Yikes! Where the heck did you find this, AL?

Ericthonius
05-29-2006, 11:36 AM
If this isn't one more in a string of,'Maalox moments', I don't know what is. Something in my stomach turns whenever I hear about the proposed amalgamation of nations into something larger, better and supposedly for the benefit of,'The People'. It's another catch phrase like,'Think of the Children', as in they're about to either tax or prohibit something that was, once upon a time, fun, free, cheaper or uncensored. However, it's examples like this that give a candid example of the arbitrary and capricious nature of the oligarchical social elite that actually govern this country vis-a-vis their opinion of American sovereignty. Money, (And the people who actually have it, not nouveau riche actors and sports players but the real 'Old-Money Wasps.'), know no borders, why should the governments sponsored by them either?

I wonder... If everyday people saw how they're really viewed by those in-charge, how would they feel? Does this country resemble something it's framers would recognize? Yeah, right, as if... Then again, what makes me think that what we have today isn't exactly what the founding fathers had in mind?

CurvaceousBBWLover
05-29-2006, 12:21 PM
This sounds like a great idea. The U.S., Mexico and Canada in one union. How astounding! Ohh, the possiblities for trade and growth!

missaf
05-29-2006, 12:31 PM
Oh hells no. Not on my watch.

CurvaceousBBWLover
05-29-2006, 12:36 PM
The big question is whether this union cause the loss of American jobs. If we won't have an exodus of jobs to Mexico, then I am more willing to support this idea.

Miss Vickie
05-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Okay well, I'm in the process of Googling the story, but I found this: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965 This Corsi fellow is one of the guys who re-wrote Kerry's history in an effort to cost him the election. So ANYTHING he says is immediately suspect. I'll keep looking, tho'.

Miss Vickie
05-29-2006, 12:43 PM
Okay well, basically I can't find any reputable news that this is happening. One article, reposted in several places by Jerome Corsi, another posted by Chris Adamo, and some rumblings on a forum with no sources.

AL, do you mind telling us what your sources are?

Tina
05-29-2006, 12:45 PM
Hmmm... thanks, Vick. Looks like this could just be rumor, but who knows?

Miss Vickie
05-29-2006, 12:47 PM
Okay I did find this. Apparently there was a report by the CFR and they did discuss the issue. Here's the URL: http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

AlbRanger
05-29-2006, 01:16 PM
The primary response thus far has been from Americans and is, mostly, no.

Could I beg your indulgence and ask why you would be opposed to this proposal?

As an Englishman I have definite thoughts about the EU and, as the article mentions, this would be simiar so I would be interested in your concerns.

Thanks

Ericthonius
05-29-2006, 01:40 PM
Okay I did find this. Apparently there was a report by the CFR and they did discuss the issue. Here's the URL: http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf


I'm glad I waited, I was going to suggest cfr.org.

Miss Vickie
05-29-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't have a big problem with it. OTOH I'm sure I don't understand the economic ramifications that such a joining would cause. I think it could potentially be very helpful to each of the countries involved, although there are likely to be abuses as well, as there are with NAFTA.

What I'm curious about is how serious this is. I mean, I'm sure there are thousands of reports that are made every year. Is this one being followed up on? And if so, why isn't there more reliable information about it? How are such things decided? Do the American people get a say? Or is it a decision that Big Daddy President gets to make for us?

Right now I have even more questions than answers, particularly after reading the (very long) report.

CurvaceousBBWLover
05-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Before this can become a reality, the U.S. Senate would have to ratify a treaty creating the North American Union. Big Dictator G.W. Bush cannot create the entity unilaterally.

I don't have a big problem with it. OTOH I'm sure I don't understand the economic ramifications that such a joining would cause. I think it could potentially be very helpful to each of the countries involved, although there are likely to be abuses as well, as there are with NAFTA.

What I'm curious about is how serious this is. I mean, I'm sure there are thousands of reports that are made every year. Is this one being followed up on? And if so, why isn't there more reliable information about it? How are such things decided? Do the American people get a say? Or is it a decision that Big Daddy President gets to make for us?

Right now I have even more questions than answers, particularly after reading the (very long) report.

Miss Vickie
05-29-2006, 02:47 PM
Before this can become a reality, the U.S. Senate would have to ratify a treaty creating the North American Union. Big Dictator G.W. Bush cannot create the entity unilaterally.

I'd really like to believe that he wouldn't find a way around it...

CurvaceousBBWLover
05-29-2006, 02:54 PM
Easily. He'll railroad the treaty through the Senate. Remember, the Republicans have a majority. The Democrats are spineless.


I'd really like to believe that he wouldn't find a way around it...

1300 Class
05-29-2006, 04:53 PM
Though the ideas are noble enough, though the exact same problems with the European Union will be encountered here. Namely soverignty, bureacracy, nationalistic pride and the dominance of one [or two] nations over the other. PLus the issues of borders and immigration....