Civility???

[DELIMAN092262]

Do people recall in the aftermath of the Arizona shootings, that many on the left lamented the lack of “civility” from right-wing radio? I guess Ed Schultz evened things up a bit.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/25/unhinged-msnbcs-ed-schultz-calls-laura-ingraham-a-right-wing-slut/?test=latestnews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeGQr9TK6g&feature=player_embedded

Shock from the left and shock from the right. Opposite sides of the same dirty coin.

[LalaCity]

Congratulations -- you found one instance of a liberal pundit saying the kind of stuff that's spewed with impunity all day, every day by right-wing radio blowhards.

[mossystate]

He is being suspended for a week without pay.

He deserves it...and this is coming from someone who loves his passion for the ' little people '.

[LalaCity]

He is being suspended for a week without pay.

He deserves it...and this is coming from someone who loves his passion for the ' little people '.

The comment was ugly, to be sure. I think he was justified in his anger -- Laura Ingraham is a really nasty piece of work -- but he let it get the best of him and he crossed the line.

Like I said, this is the kind of stuff we've come to expect from Limbaugh and Savage on a daily basis. No need for progressives to stoop to their level, as far as I'm concerned.

[Miss Vickie]

He certainly crossed a line, and seemed very remorseful today when he apologized. He's said that he has suspended himself from his show for an indeterminate period of time, and has been suspended without pay.

I think he was genuinely sorry, and he apologized. I think everyone makes a mistake and deserves forgiveness, regardless of what side of the political fence they find themselves on.

[mossystate]

I saw his apology and I did believe it. I have a pretty damned good ear and eye, and he was not pleased with himself.

If he does easily go to that kind of sexist comment ( not saying he does or not, I don't know ), then something like this can be a real teaching moment.

[superodalisque]

i think they should fire him and send a message.

[LalaCity]

i think they should fire him and send a message.

I don't think someone needs to have his career ruined over a verbal transgression on the radio, just to make a point. His profuse, groveling apology followed by a suspension is more than enough punishment, in my view.

But again, I'm more than a little irritated by the double standard in play. I was listening to John and Ken, a local right-leaning talk duo who broadcast out of L.A., and they were positively outrageous in their description of Schwarzenegger's "fat, ugly" mistress. But they and just about every other right wing radio host I can think of not only receive no censure for this kind of nasty rhetoric, they're encouraged in it daily by the corporations which own and distribute their shows.

[superodalisque]

I don't think someone needs to have his career ruined over a verbal transgression on the radio, just to make a point. His profuse, groveling apology followed by a suspension is more than enough punishment, in my view.

But again, I'm more than a little irritated by the double standard in play. I was listening to John and Ken, a local right-leaning talk duo who broadcast out of L.A., and they were positively outrageous in their description of Schwarzenegger's "fat, ugly" mistress. But they and just about every other right wing radio host I can think of not only receive no censure for this kind of nasty rhetoric, they're encouraged in it daily by the corporations which own and distribute their shows.

i respectfully disagree. every time some guy says or does something to a woman people say we shouldn't destroy his career. we need to feel sorry for him. if careers don't end nothing will ever change. women get fired for having tasteful nude pix taken when they are pregnant etc... but a guy can hit women and call female colleagues slut and somehow he should be forgiven. until there are some real repercussions nothing will change. there should be actual permanent consequences for being verbally abusive toward women. it not only hurts the woman in question but it creates an atmosphere where its acceptable to abuse other women in the workplace. he should go.

the people who called Arnold's mistress fat and ugly are a product of the same environment. no one ever has to think twice about anything they say or do as it regards women because there are never any consequences. its okay even if they try and knock her teeth out because we don't want to end the asshole's career. meanwhile little boys are watching at home and seeing that they can get away with it if they are willing to fake regret. sounds like we are enabling the cycle of abuse to me. "i beat my woman to a pulp but i didn't mean it". so she goes back to him. sounds like the exact same mindset.

on the other hand women are often held to some backward 1950s virginal ideal or they get stomped out of the workplace at the drop of a hat." OMG she showed her tits once twenty years ago, its the end of the world. we must fire her." i feel people need to stop feeling sorry for grown men who know better and would never make the mistake of calling a woman they cared for outside of their names in this way. in fact he would probably be the first to go on the attack for her honor. the real problem is a woman challenged him with rhetorically and he couldn't take it. he needs to learn self restraint and so do other men. in a world where women are much more likely to be in positions of power both now and especially in the future men had better learn whats appropriate or its women who will be playing the price for he double standard. next time it might not just be calling a woman a slut. goodness knows what he's saying to his female underlings in the workplace if he can manage to spew this in public. women need to stop making themselves into such easy targets by insisting on being socially accepting of the men who abuse us. women really should not be feeling sorry for someone losing his career if he disrespects us any less than she should that a guy who beat her was carted off to jail.

[DELIMAN092262]

I don't think someone needs to have his career ruined over a verbal transgression on the radio, just to make a point. His profuse, groveling apology followed by a suspension is more than enough punishment, in my view.

On Thursday I heard a few minutes of Sean Hannity. He said pretty much the same thing.

But again, I'm more than a little irritated by the double standard in play. I was listening to John and Ken, a local right-leaning talk duo who broadcast out of L.A., and they were positively outrageous in their description of Schwarzenegger's "fat, ugly" mistress. But they and just about every other right wing radio host I can think of not only receive no censure for this kind of nasty rhetoric, they're encouraged in it daily by the corporations which own and distribute their shows.

If I recall correctly, that same sort of general description was applied to John Edwards mistress. Could it be the public has a negative image of a woman that is the “other” woman? Could these guys have been playing to that?

Also, I would like to read the memos that support your theory of these corporations. Frankly, I hear the same sort of trash talk from both sides of the spectrum. The speakers play to their audience.

Of course, this example crossed that line.

[dabdab]

i think they should fire him and send a message.

if she can sue hem that is fine the law is the judge other wise she can take the moral ground and accept his apology or treat him the same . they are equals .

[DELIMAN092262]

She can't sue! She is a public figure. She would have to prove "actual" malice. That is an all most impossible task for someone in the public eye.

Besides, he would claim his words, while offensive, were protected by the First Amendment.

Frankly, Schulz has already been judged. He was found guilty in the court of public opinion.

[dabdab]

She can't sue! She is a public figure. She would have to prove "actual" malice. That is an all most impossible task for someone in the public eye.

Besides, he would claim his words, while offensive, were protected by the First Amendment.

Frankly, Schulz has already been judged. He was found guilty in the court of public opinion.

once upon a time , there were tow poets one named Farasdaq the other is named Merbaa . and the first wrote a poem bad mouthing the second .
a therd poet named Jareer wrote a poem that goes like this :
Farasdaq claimed he will obliterate Merbaaa !
congratulation Merbaa !, you will be for ever safe.
oh Farasdaq ! your arrows cant go far ; and you can't pull your bow far enough .

[LalaCity]

i respectfully disagree. every time some guy says or does something to a woman people say we shouldn't destroy his career. we need to feel sorry for him. if careers don't end nothing will ever change. women get fired for having tasteful nude pix taken when they are pregnant etc... but a guy can hit women and call female colleagues slut and somehow he should be forgiven. until there are some real repercussions nothing will change. there should be actual permanent consequences for being verbally abusive toward women. it not only hurts the woman in question but it creates an atmosphere where its acceptable to abuse other women in the workplace. he should go.

the people who called Arnold's mistress fat and ugly are a product of the same environment. no one ever has to think twice about anything they say or do as it regards women because there are never any consequences. its okay even if they try and knock her teeth out because we don't want to end the asshole's career. meanwhile little boys are watching at home and seeing that they can get away with it if they are willing to fake regret. sounds like we are enabling the cycle of abuse to me. "i beat my woman to a pulp but i didn't mean it". so she goes back to him. sounds like the exact same mindset.

on the other hand women are often held to some backward 1950s virginal ideal or they get stomped out of the workplace at the drop of a hat." OMG she showed her tits once twenty years ago, its the end of the world. we must fire her." i feel people need to stop feeling sorry for grown men who know better and would never make the mistake of calling a woman they cared for outside of their names in this way. in fact he would probably be the first to go on the attack for her honor. the real problem is a woman challenged him with rhetorically and he couldn't take it. he needs to learn self restraint and so do other men. in a world where women are much more likely to be in positions of power both now and especially in the future men had better learn whats appropriate or its women who will be playing the price for he double standard. next time it might not just be calling a woman a slut. goodness knows what he's saying to his female underlings in the workplace if he can manage to spew this in public. women need to stop making themselves into such easy targets by insisting on being socially accepting of the men who abuse us. women really should not be feeling sorry for someone losing his career if he disrespects us any less than she should that a guy who beat her was carted off to jail.

Felecia, I happen to think it's worthwhile to weigh the good someone does against the ill. Ed Schultz has been a voice for the "common man," that is to say, the quotidian worker, for a good decade now.

Anyone who makes his or her living speaking daily into a microphone is bound to transgress the bounds of decency sometimes. The question is, do we condemn and dismiss permanently someone who is generally committed to the cause of social justice (and who has made a mistake, out of anger, toward a person who is violently opposed to it) and is genuinely sorry for his error, while giving free reign to those who would deliberately and unapologetically abuse this kind of language in order to increase their audience?

We know full well that right-wing radio show hosts not only engage in this kind of vile rhetoric daily, but do so with impunity -- in fact, they are rewarded by the companies that produce and distribute their shows with record paychecks. Why hold up someone who does not embody this cruel language, someone who is actually apologetic and remorseful (in contrast to the opposition), to be fired? We would do more harm than good by holding this man to account for his mistake, all told.

For me, it comes down to character and intent -- and I believe this man is of a good accord, as evidenced by his track record, on both counts. Ed Schultz made a mistake (one for which he appears to be sincerely sorry) by issuing an anti-woman slur -- as opposed to those who gleefully, sickeningly, and purposely make their very living from it, daily, and without remorse.

[dabdab]

God bless you LalaCity

[LalaCity]

I should never drunk-post.

[DELIMAN092262]

Felecia, I happen to think it's worthwhile to weigh the good someone does against the ill. Ed Schultz has been a voice for the "common man," that is to say, the quotidian worker, for a good decade now.

I bet the listeners of that right-wing radio, that you dislike so much, would say the same about Sean Hannity, etc...

Anyone who makes his or her living speaking daily into a microphone is bound to transgress the bounds of decency sometimes. The question is, do we condemn and dismiss permanently someone who is generally committed to the cause of social justice (and who has made a mistake, out of anger, toward a person who is violently opposed to it) and is genuinely sorry for his error, while giving free reign to those who would deliberately and unapologetically abuse this kind of language in order to increase their audience?

That is one opinion. The millions that do listen probable don't agree with you. Apparently, just what defines “social justice” is also a matter of debate.

We know full well that right-wing radio show hosts not only engage in this kind of vile rhetoric daily, but do so with impunity -- in fact, they are rewarded by the companies that produce and distribute their shows with record paychecks. Why hold up someone who does not embody this cruel language, someone who is actually apologetic and remorseful (in contrast to the opposition), to be fired? We would do more harm than good by holding this man to account for his mistake, all told.

There are people that scrutinize every word that Limbaugh, etc .. utter every day. They look for any obvious missteps and mistakes. MSNBC and other make part of their living critiquing right-wing radio hosts. If they ever made a mistake of the caliber that Ed Schulz made it would be all over the news. Keep dreaming!

For me, it comes down to character and intent -- and I believe this man is of a good accord, as evidenced by his track record, on both counts. Ed Schultz made a mistake (one for which he appears to be sincerely sorry) by issuing an anti-woman slur -- as opposed to those who gleefully, sickeningly, and purposely make their very living from it, daily, and without remorse.

Again, that is your opinion. Fortunately, for the hosts, of all those radio programs you dislike, the listening public disagrees with you.

[superodalisque]

if she can sue hem that is fine the law is the judge other wise she can take the moral ground and accept his apology or treat him the same . they are equals .

how equal can you be if someone can publically call you a slut just for doing your job and get away with it? what would have happened if she had called him a MF?

[dabdab]

how equal can you be if someone can publically call you a slut just for doing your job and get away with it? what would have happened if she had called him a MF?

Tell you the truth ! it wold be easier on me to be the victim than to be the aggressor as long as no blood is spelled . !