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Old 04-23-2007, 08:59 PM   #1
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Angry I'm BACK, and I have a bone to pick!!!

Yeah, I'm back...
Know why? Doesn't fucking matter!

But I have this to say, I am tired, bone ass tired, of the terms BBW, SSBBW, FA, FFA, BBWFA, BHM, SSBHM, etc etc etc...
Make up better goddamned terms for these people...better yet, fuck the terms! Who the fuck decided all fat women at beautiful?! They AREN'T!!! I can think of some aunts of mine who most of you 'fat admirers' out there, would cringe at.

Oh, most of them are wonderful people, magnificent in fact. But WHAT THE FUCK makes you think that means they are beautiful?! It is condescending!!! "Oh, she's beautiful on the inside." It is like slapping her in the face, calling her ugly, then trying to give her a fucking bouquet of roses to make it up! Call her a nice, kind, caring individual...you'd be doing her better justice. And for those fuckers keeping track, yeah, beauty is all perception, blah blah blah...well sometimes even then some people just can't be dubbed beautiful. Gorgeous...scorching...hot...whatever other term you can think of that is that TOP PIER word. Top of the line, nothing is better, and so forth!

Hell, I have no doubt that every guy has in his head, just like every woman has in her head when they first start looking at the opposite sex (or the same sex, or both if you swing that way) that way they have an ideal...either in existence, or made up, who represents what they look for in their counter-part. Those ideas and ideals change throughout your life, but you have them the entire time...it is what makes those picky mother fuckers picky, and the others of us with worse imaginations the less particular of the group!

But the key is that not every fucking woman out there who happens to be fat, chubby, stocky, heavy, large 'n' in charge, huge, obese, or whatever the fuck you refer to it as, is beautiful! If you truly believe that, God bless your giant oversized heart! For the rest of the world, stop saying things you don't fucking mean, and get over that shit.

And that's another thing, the use of the term in the middle of BBW...big. What the fuck does THAT mean? I say big, and typically I mean as in large. I've seen women out there that are 5'2" and 300 pounds. They aren't large...they're FAT, or ROTUND...or whatever else...big is when a woman is a fucking amazon and she towers over you like a fucking skyscraper! I've seen a woman like this...her name is Tina, and she's a belly dancer...HOLY SHIT, I shit you not, she is 6'2" and dominates a room. There may be better belly dancers...but she has a belly, and she has a presence...and she'll kick your ass if you don't like it.

But don't use the word big as if it is a polite term to infer that a woman is a blimp! Amazons are big...most women are round, fat, chubby, plump, etc. I'm sure they can think of a plethora of better words to use to describe themselves than 'big' or 'stocky' or whatever else you probably have in mind.

As for the woman part...well, if I tried to argue that, I should be put in the nut house! Oh, and that's right I went out of order...big beautiful woman...talking about the beautiful part first, THEN the big part...how dare I be so rude!


FA...fat admirer...now there's a term I'm fucking pissed about...and you other 'FA's' should be too. Do we admirer solely the fat? Are we like Peter Griffin in that fucking Family Guy episode where he's in the fucking closet, fucking Lois's liposuctioned fat in a bag?

The answer to that question is NO what the fuck is the point of being called a fat admirer...the term should be 'fat woman admirer' or admirer of fat women...or admirer of WOMEN period! Because if I'm not mistaken, most men on here don't think a woman is a woman unless she has some kind of curves on her. Even the guys who like thin girls, the 'BHM', which I'll get to in a minute, who like their girl to be slender...you like curves on your girl...you want her to be womanly, to have volume...to be more than a skeletal structure that looks nearly two-dimensional, RIGHT?!

Well, then what the fuck do we have to use the terms FA and FFA for? Why not just call us MEN...like most people do. Why not call the women, WOMEN. I mean, what the fuck is the reason behind all the terms?! To hide what and who we really are?! Like I was telling my friend Kent, I like chubby girls! And he asked me, "Well, what would you define as a 'chubby girl'?" And I responded, well, she has a belly, she's got boobs, and an ass, you know, an actual woman...curves, round, fleshy, bootie, jiggly goodness, etc! So he says, "So you like fat girls?" And I simply reply, YES, fat girls, chubby girls, what's the fucking difference, I like girls with some weight and volume to them! Know what he said? "That's cool man, I sorta thought so."

DID YOU GET THAT?! If your friends are any friends at all, they already suspect you like fat girls...so get the fuck out of the closet and stop using stupid terms that don't make any sense. They are old terms, put them to rest and just be a man or woman who likes the idea of your partner being fat. It isn't that hard, REALLY!

Now, like what I was saying earlier with the term 'BBW', there is this term BHM... Big Handsome man...since when has every fucking guy who uses that name been considered handsome just because he is FAT, or CHUBBY, or HAS A GUT, or WHATEVER?! His gut isn't what makes him handsome, it may make him attractive, or cute, or cuddly...but what the fuck is with the overuse of handsome. There are a LOT of ugly ass guys out there. Stop trying to fucking boost their confidence falsely! Obviously don't say, "Hey ugly ass, get your assface over here so I can kiss your shithole!" But you don't tell them they're handsome when they know they aren't! What the fuck is the point in that? It is the same thing that happens with the women...you're being condescending...So LEARN NOT TO. They're cute, attractive, good looking, etc. Stop making them feel that they are at the top of the heap, and then when they come back to you with that false confidence, you say, "Oh, you're not my type."

WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING?!!!!! Building up someone's confidence falsely hurts like hell, and kicks your ass, what gives you that right, shithead...NOTHING AND NOBODY!

And Big...same shit applies there too...some guy who is 5'6" like my friend Matt, and 300 pounds...he's a great guy, but he is by no means a big guy. He's stocky...or perhaps rotund...be creative, use a dictionary...find new words and fucking use them! Get a fat word a day calender!

Whoa there's a concept, why not make a calender that has all the synonyms for fat in it. GO FOR IT!
Fucking assholes! Stop using outdated terms, start fucking being yourself, stop using the abbreviations and hiding it as if it is something someone will whine and wail about if you tell them.

And check out Dr. Suess DAMNIT!! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." So figure it out. True friends won't desert you because of a choice in your preference in men/women. Be yourself, stop pussy footing around society. One of the reasons we're still one of the groups that can be bashed and trashed isn't because we're small, it is because we don't stick our heads out of our fucking shells and gather to do something about it with everyone of our number shouting as one.

Make yourself heard! And make your closet fetish into a preference that you're proud of! And STOP USING TERMS WHICH WERE DEVELOPED BY A FETISH COMMUNITY AGES AGO!!! Peace!
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Seriously, pull it together.

Guess what?

Being farcically angry and aggressive isn't going to get your point across, whether you're preaching to the choir or trying to convert the opposition.

I suspect you were talking about the limitations which we inadvertently place upon ourselves by attaching our desires and interests to terms which describe only a small part of who we really are.

The thing is, you're losing your shit at the very people who might have been able to relate to your ideas if you had shown even a modicum of decorum or calm.

You're coming back to a forum you left in a huff not two weeks ago, and as your first post you're excoriating the very people with whom you seek to identify and interact.
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Seriously, pull it together.

Guess what?

Being farcically angry and aggressive isn't going to get your point across, whether you're preaching to the choir or trying to convert the opposition.
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The thing is, you're losing your shit at the very people who might have been able to relate to your ideas if you had shown even a modicum of decorum or calm.
What you get from it, is what you get. Just because I'm not the ideal messenger, and I didn't deliver the message in a calm and respectful fashion, doesn't mean the message isn't there. Take what you want from it. If you don't, the don't. I'm not forcing you to sit down and read it.

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Yes, a time span that was wonderful and fun. And in which I did a lot of thinking. I talked to friends, got some blind dates, and really figured some shit out.

And maybe I don't want to identify with you, or others. I wrote this, like I write all my writings, off hand. I don't go back and edit them with exception to spelling and grammar. If there is a wrong word, it stays, I take the heat. Again, you chose to read it...I didn't make you.
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Look, it doesn't upset me to read it. I find internet drama endlessly diverting.

You didn't force people to read it, but you're not writing in a vacuum. If you didn't have any desire for responses, nor any idea of readers' reactions, you'd keep a diary. But you chose to spew your vitriol in a public space, and I chose to let you know that your style is weak.

I get your message. It's not complicated.

So tell us what the point is. Seriously, I want to know what you think the alternatives are. Even if it's limiting, we tend to categorize people. Those categories are never perfect, and they do omit the variances between individuals, but they tend to work for the sort of quick and dirty identification that we have to perform when we meet one another.

Here's a thought: BBW isn't always accurate, sure, but the alternative would be to simply describe someone as big, which in today's society is considered a negative. Adding the 'beautiful' indicates at the onset that you find the bigness to be a desirable trait.
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I didn't argue on that point.
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I don't know...like TheSadeianLinguist said...I'm not
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Here's a thought: BBW isn't always accurate, sure, but the alternative would be to simply describe someone as big, which in today's society is considered a negative. Adding the 'beautiful' indicates at the onset that you find the bigness to be a desirable trait.
If my toe suddenly swelled up, and looked beautiful...would I call it a big beautiful toe?
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And STOP USING TERMS WHICH WERE DEVELOPED BY A FETISH COMMUNITY AGES AGO!!! Peace!
You certainly have a love of drama.

Anyhoo...The term BBW actually long predates any of fetishy connotations the term is now linked to by some. It was also the name of the first fashion magazine for plus sized women.
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You certainly have a love of drama.

Anyhoo...The term BBW actually long predates any of fetishy connotations the term is now linked to by some. It was also the name of the first fashion magazine for plus sized women.
I'll make sure to note that in my book of nifty shit.
Also, why is it 'plus sized women' now? Why didn't it stay BBW?
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Zain I didn't understand the first post. Do you think you could rewrite it and post it again??





ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll make sure to note that in my book of nifty shit.
Also, why is it 'plus sized women' now? Why didn't it stay BBW?


http://www.bbwmagazine.com/








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This made me giggle.
Thanks, Wag, for responding much more nicely than any way I could come up with, which is why I'm not responding to the original OP but rather to the brilliant turns of phrase I've had the pleasure of reading.

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Being farcically angry and aggressive isn't going to get your point across, whether you're preaching to the choir or trying to convert the opposition.

I suspect you were talking about the limitations which we inadvertently place upon ourselves by attaching our desires and interests to terms which describe only a small part of who we really are.

The thing is, you're losing your shit at the very people who might have been able to relate to your ideas if you had shown even a modicum of decorum or calm.

You're coming back to a forum you left in a huff not two weeks ago, and as your first post you're excoriating the very people with whom you seek to identify and interact.
Waxwing, I love your way with words, but I particularly loved the term "farcically angry" and the word "excoriating". You made my day.

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Thanks, guys. I don't see this thread lasting long but I'm enjoying the hell out of it while it does.
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Also, why is it 'plus sized women' now? Why didn't it stay BBW?
Let me 'splain. No, there is too much let me sum up.

The fashion industry has long used the term "plus sized" for fashions size 14 and up. That's nothing new.

Like I mentioned earlier BBW was the (copy writed) name of a plus sized fashion magazine. The term then began to be used as a means of empowerment for plus sized women. The term was later basically stolen by the adult entertainment industry.

Conrad would be able to explain a LOT better.
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Let me explain. No, there is too much let me sum up.

The fashion industry has long used the term "plus sized" for fashions size 14 and up. That's nothing new.

Like I mentioned earlier BBW was the (copy writed) name of a plus sized fashion magazine. The term then began to be used as a means of empowerment for plus sized women. The term was later basically stolen by the adult entertainment industry.

Conrad would be able to explain a LOT better.
I'll ask him.
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You certainly have a love of drama.

Anyhoo...The term BBW actually long predates any of fetishy connotations the term is now linked to by some. It was also the name of the first fashion magazine for plus sized women.
I remember that magazine,amonth after i was married my husband left it in the bathroom,my dad came to visit and mistakenly seen it .He say to me look at what your husband is in to. The point is thats how i found out he loved large women.what did the BBWBUFF term stand for?
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what did the BBWBUFF term stand for?
I don't know. That's a new one on me.
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what did the BBWBUFF term stand for?
Big Beautiful Women Understanding Foucault, Finally.
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Thought you were leaving forever; oh well.

Notice: You are not rebellious, interesting, cool, groundbreaking, an original thinker, or clever. Much as I would like to pick apart your arguments, well, you seem to puke back up the same "essay" every week. I'm sure the BBWs thank you, though. Good to see the myopic smoke before they reach the fire, eh? And whatever happened to that whole personal growth mission? Guess the plans fell through?
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so, ahh...are any of these aunts of yours single?








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I wanted to rEspond to you - but I was laughing too hard at my own response and /i forget what I was gonna say. How sad is that??????? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!



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Notice: You are not rebellious, interesting, cool, groundbreaking, an original thinker, or clever. Much as I would like to pick apart your arguments, well, you seem to puke back up the same "essay" every week. I'm sure the BBWs thank you, though. Good to see the myopic smoke before they reach the fire, eh? And whatever happened to that whole personal growth mission? Guess the plans fell through?
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I wanted to rEspond to you - but I was laughing too hard at my own response and /i forget what I was gonna say. How sad is that??????? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
I think this thread has me confused as well. It's like a time warp.
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I think this thread has me confused as well. It's like a time warp.

The old Hippie in me wanted to tell him to:

"Mellow out dude - here take a toke - it will help man - you are harshing my mellow. Such anger man you're eating too much red meat."
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