What the F**K is this?

[BodaciousMag]

What the F**K is this?

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/vogues-ann...e-weight/22691

Please make sure you read the whole article it makes more sense.

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[mediaboy]

All it takes is one plus sized woman with enough authority to demand that the fashion industry earnestly cater to her and other women like her before the entire god damned insane fashion industry collapses like a flaming house of cards.

Remember, fashion designers don't design clothes for people, they design them for mannequins.

I don't know about you but none of the people I have sex with are mannequins, none of my friends are mannequins. Why the fuck is the fashion industry centered around clothing that forces women to change to look or feel attractive. Maybe I'm insane but shouldn't it be the other way around?

[Vanessa]

I read it and added a comment on the page. *shakes head*

I'm also tomorrow going to write a blog about my experience in mainstream as a model - because really I have a hella lot to say on the subject.

Vanessa Reece x

P.S Btw Hi everyone. *waves* I've been gone from here for way too long.

[BodaciousMag]

You know I'll be listening.

[mithrandirjn]

I have a friend who does some acting, she's not fat at all; she's got some natural curves, but the girl obviously works out.

Yet there she was, getting a part for a show in NYC recently...and the director told her that to keep the part, she'd have to lose seven pounds.

Seven.

Who the hell even thinks up these numbers?

[PunkPeach]

I am mostly disgusted that Oprah took the advice to heart, one of the most powerful women, decided that she could not embrace her own curves. If it was me, I would have eaten everything I could get my hands on to make sure I gained another 20lbs. This crazy society, have we really run out of issues that the size of someones jeans still needs to be an issue.

[katorade]

Originally Posted by PunkPeach

I am mostly disgusted that Oprah took the advice to heart, one of the most powerful women, decided that she could not embrace her own curves. If it was me, I would have eaten everything I could get my hands on to make sure I gained another 20lbs. This crazy society, have we really run out of issues that the size of someones jeans still needs to be an issue.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Oprah losing that weight had nothing to do with Anna Wintour's "polite" suggestion, but Anna Wintour being the megalomaniac that she is thinks that anything anyone does is because she thought or said it first. She's about as caring and sincere as dried lemon peel. Oprah taking her advice on weight loss would be like Oprah taking Carrie Donovan's advice on how not to be batshit crazy.

Can you tell I just love Anna Wintour?













Oh yeah, and her hair is stupid and outdated. So there.

[gangstadawg]

Originally Posted by mithrandirjn

I have a friend who does some acting, she's not fat at all; she's got some natural curves, but the girl obviously works out.

Yet there she was, getting a part for a show in NYC recently...and the director told her that to keep the part, she'd have to lose seven pounds.

Seven.

Who the hell even thinks up these numbers?

is some one even going to notice a single digit number of pounds? but back on topic ohprah should have said "ill crush you with my wallet"

[Fyreflyintheskye]

Originally Posted by mediaboy

Remember, fashion designers don't design clothes for people, they design them for mannequins.

I don't know about you but none of the people I have sex with are mannequins, none of my friends are mannequins.

OMG I'm so offended by this. You've hurt my new boyfriend's feelings, too. Show some sensitivity!

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[superodalisque]

have you ever noticed that the people who criticize fat women most are generally these dried up folk that most people find sexless? this reminds me of Gillian McKeith the Britsih doc who wasn't a doc who hosted Britian's "you are what you eat". she was always grabbing people's fat and telling them how disgusting they looked. meanwhile any of her guests were deemed more appealing than she was even by her audience that was NOT mainly composed of overweight people.

[superodalisque]

Originally Posted by mediaboy

All it takes is one plus sized woman with enough authority to demand that the fashion industry earnestly cater to her and other women like her before the entire god damned insane fashion industry collapses like a flaming house of cards.

Remember, fashion designers don't design clothes for people, they design them for mannequins.

I don't know about you but none of the people I have sex with are mannequins, none of my friends are mannequins. Why the fuck is the fashion industry centered around clothing that forces women to change to look or feel attractive. Maybe I'm insane but shouldn't it be the other way around?

actually fashion is not designed for mannequins. models are not the people fashion is designed for. fashion's bread and butter is women like Oprah who can afford to pay haute couture prices for style at any size. they also make thier money from pret a porte, mainly over priced regular stuff made in china at the same factories that stores like walmart and target use. designers make clothing for anyone who can pay for it. fashion shows with clothing that are just ideas that can be adapted to flatter anyone by a truly talented designer. the reason models are small and are supposed to be a consistant size is to fit into samples and to to reduce overall costs of things like hand embrodeiry etc... anyone who tells you any different is lying. a woman who is not a wannabe has her gown fit to her, she does not have to fit a gown. she is the real deal who does not have to try to fit into runway samples because she can't afford true couture. the women who spend the most money on haute couture are middle eastern. they resemble sticks in no way shape or form and some of them are downright fat. women like that won;t even talk to the likes of Anna Wintour because to them she is just a servant and if she ever told them to drop a few she would probably get a slap. maybe Oprah needs to get some guts and do the same. i'm amazed that Wintour even had the guts to say it. but the truth is women like Oprah don't give themselves enough credit. so women like that sense thier weaknes and try to break her down. she know that that woman could get her fired. she did pick the last president. maybe somebody needs to tell her.

[Tooz]

lol Anna Wintour is just sad she looks like an alien elephant

[StarWitness]

"I'd just been on a trip to Minnesota, where I can only kindly describe most of the people I saw as little houses"

And I can only kindly describe Anna Wintour as looking like someone threw hydrochloric acid in a golden retriever's face.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BodaciousMag

You know I'll be listening.

I just posted it.

http://vanessareece.com/2009/05/21/b...y-lose-weight/

Great thread here too guys and girls.

[BodaciousMag]

Originally Posted by mediaboy

All it takes is one plus sized woman with enough authority to demand that the fashion industry earnestly cater to her and other women like her before the entire god damned insane fashion industry collapses like a flaming house of cards.

Remember, fashion designers don't design clothes for people, they design them for mannequins.

I don't know about you but none of the people I have sex with are mannequins, none of my friends are mannequins. Why the fuck is the fashion industry centered around clothing that forces women to change to look or feel attractive. Maybe I'm insane but shouldn't it be the other way around?

I feel you on this one. I got something in mind.

[katherine22]

Originally Posted by katorade

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Oprah losing that weight had nothing to do with Anna Wintour's "polite" suggestion, but Anna Wintour being the megalomaniac that she is thinks that anything anyone does is because she thought or said it first. She's about as caring and sincere as dried lemon peel. Oprah taking her advice on weight loss would be like Oprah taking Carrie Donovan's advice on how not to be batshit crazy.

Can you tell I just love Anna Wintour?.
















Oh yeah, and her hair is stupid and outdated. So there.

Oprah wanted legitimacy conferred on her by a certain class of people who are the focus of Vogue magazine. Oprah's movie based on the Toni Morrison novel was opening coinciding with Oprah's debut in Vogue. Oprah gushed about the wonderful experience of being on a Vogue cover and the magic of the make up artists, etc. Vogue represents fantasy for sale, and the rich have the money to indulge in it. The fat acceptance movement can learn something from Vogue, ironically. To have a mass movement succeed there must be something sexy and appealing about its message and image that people want to identify with it.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

I don't like Oprah, but this article really p*ssed me off.

"There's such an epidemic of obesity in the United States, and for some reason, everybody focuses on anorexia."

Epidemic. Godd*mn that word, I swear if I hear of any more false epidemics I'll puke my tonsils. I cannot stand the fact our media is culpable in the manipulation of people. Its bad enough we have retard politicians trying to make us feel bad, its also on our televisions, in our reading and on billboards. Its disgusting that we 'obese' people are treated as sinners for some unexplained transgression against some unnamed GOD that the media has created out of thin air.

Ugh, I feel sick.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by katherine22

Oprah wanted legitimacy conferred on her by a certain class of people who are the focus of Vogue magazine. Oprah's movie based on the Toni Morrison novel was opening coinciding with Oprah's debut in Vogue. Oprah gushed about the wonderful experience of being on a Vogue cover and the magic of the make up artists, etc. Vogue represents fantasy for sale, and the rich have the money to indulge in it. The fat acceptance movement can learn something from Vogue, ironically. To have a mass movement succeed there must be something sexy and appealing about its message and image that people want to identify with it.

Hi Katerine. Good balanced view and one I'd not tapped into. But I wondered if your last part meant that there had to be something the elite wanted to view as appealing with the size acceptance community? Just wondered.

Plus I think it's a nice idea to have a mass movement, and in essence we do, but right now it's terribly fragmented and not a world wide thing. We need unity.

[katherine22]

Vanessa - The difficulty with size acceptance is that the people comprising it, fat people, are not a monolith. When you consider other civil rights movements, they were based on one issue such as the color of one's skin, one's gender or one's sexual orientation. Who would represent fat people in the media- who would be the spokesperson for size acceptance, the woman who weighs 500 lbs. or the woman who weighs 225 lbs. There is a wide definition as to who fat people actually are. There is disagreement within the size acceptance community as to who is really fat. Being thin is equated with success as evidenced by Oprah gushing over her Vogue cover. Oprah Winfrey is an intelligent billionaire, a dynasty builder who wanted endorsement from Vogue. What does Vogue have that even a billionaire like Oprah wanted it? Is Vogue some stamp of approval that one has really arrived in America? Is Vogue the club that we really want to belong to that will not have us? What is it that Vogue does that it has been the standard bearer of all that is aesthetically beautiful about women. There are many attractive successful fat people in the world and what does it take to make them visible so that people would want to emulate them?

[katorade]

Originally Posted by katherine22

Oprah wanted legitimacy conferred on her by a certain class of people who are the focus of Vogue magazine. Oprah's movie based on the Toni Morrison novel was opening coinciding with Oprah's debut in Vogue. Oprah gushed about the wonderful experience of being on a Vogue cover and the magic of the make up artists, etc. Vogue represents fantasy for sale, and the rich have the money to indulge in it. The fat acceptance movement can learn something from Vogue, ironically. To have a mass movement succeed there must be something sexy and appealing about its message and image that people want to identify with it.

Oprah was already VERY legit in the eyes of the upper class when she posed for Vogue. I'm going to harbor a guess that the biggest reason she posed for the cover was for her love of fashion, not for a step up. Keep in mind that at the same time she appeared in Vogue, she was already a champion for the modern woman, and was working on developing her own magazine, O, which debuted only 2 years later. By then she was worth almost ONE BILLION dollars, that number snowballing every year.

She made her opinion quite known when she had Andre Talley, Vogue editor at large for 25 years, on her show. He openly told the audience that Anna Wintour didn't like fat people. He himself is rather large and had been on the receiving end of her disdain. Imagine the ire that raised in her viewing audience, the bulk of which are Middle America stay-at-home moms that typically aren't the thinnest people and are the same women that ascribe to Oprah's weight loss plans? Sly move, but definitely enough to send a message of what she thought of Wintour's opinion.

The SAME year she was on the cover of Vogue, she graced the cover of Time magazine, as her character in Beloved, no makeup, hair greying and natural. Which do you think she would strive to make more of an impression on, the fashion world or the WORLD world?

[superodalisque]

Originally Posted by katorade

Oprah was already VERY legit in the eyes of the upper class when she posed for Vogue. I'm going to harbor a guess that the biggest reason she posed for the cover was for her love of fashion, not for a step up. Keep in mind that at the same time she appeared in Vogue, she was already a champion for the modern woman, and was working on developing her own magazine, O, which debuted only 2 years later. By then she was worth almost ONE BILLION dollars, that number snowballing every year.

She made her opinion quite known when she had Andre Talley, Vogue editor at large for 25 years, on her show. He openly told the audience that Anna Wintour didn't like fat people. He himself is rather large and had been on the receiving end of her disdain. Imagine the ire that raised in her viewing audience, the bulk of which are Middle America stay-at-home moms that typically aren't the thinnest people and are the same women that ascribe to Oprah's weight loss plans? Sly move, but definitely enough to send a message of what she thought of Wintour's opinion.

The SAME year she was on the cover of Vogue, she graced the cover of Time magazine, as her character in Beloved, no makeup, hair greying and natural. Which do you think she would strive to make more of an impression on, the fashion world or the WORLD world?

wouldn't it be great if Andre Talley and Oprah were pro fat? can you imagine the kind of magazine they could start? highly fashionable and well marketed for a change. even the fashion industry would have to respond. it would change a lot of minds. but instead Talley accepted the insulting title of "editor at large" after a very successful stint at the helm of american vogue and Oprah, the billionaire entrepeneur, is accepting backhanded slaps from a salaried employee. looks like they need a little SA themselves. sad we can't depend on them for the image stuff.

[katorade]

Originally Posted by superodalisque

wouldn't it be great if Andre Talley and Oprah were pro fat? can you imagine the kind of magazine they could start? highly fashionable and well marketed for a change. even the fashion industry would have to respond. it would change a lot of minds. but instead Talley accepted the insulting title of "editor at large" after a very successful stint at the helm of american vogue and Oprah, the billionaire entrepeneur, is accepting backhanded slaps from a salaried employee. looks like they need a little SA themselves. sad we can't depend on them for the image stuff.

EVERYONE does not have to be "okay" with being overweight. FWIW, neither of them are attempting to lose weight to be thin. They are doing it to be healthy. For them that might mean eating a leaner diet and doing exercise to avoid diabetes or heart disease. Not everyone can be fat and healthy, though some can. Andre Talley is not naturally large and used to be a very lean man and got to be overweight because he just stopped paying attention to his nutrition. Oprah has battled with her weight for yearrrrs but has never been "thin". She has never pushed the ideal of being thin, only being healthy. Also, editor at large isn't an insulting title, it's a working title. He was editor at large when he was thin as well, and like I said, there's no way Oprah let Skeletor have any effect on her self-image.

[katherine22]

Originally Posted by superodalisque

wouldn't it be great if Andre Talley and Oprah were pro fat? can you imagine the kind of magazine they could start? highly fashionable and well marketed for a change. even the fashion industry would have to respond. it would change a lot of minds. but instead Talley accepted the insulting title of "editor at large" after a very successful stint at the helm of american vogue and Oprah, the billionaire entrepeneur, is accepting backhanded slaps from a salaried employee. looks like they need a little SA themselves. sad we can't depend on them for the image stuff.

Interesting ideas you offer, superodalisque. Although it is not about pro-fat anti-thin. We need a more realistically reflection of fat people in the media. Fat people are still being portrayed in the media as cartoons. There are tentative steps happening such as the Dove beauty bar campaign working to expand our concept of beauty. particularly their work with teenage girls.

[superodalisque]

Originally Posted by katorade

EVERYONE does not have to be "okay" with being overweight. FWIW, neither of them are attempting to lose weight to be thin. They are doing it to be healthy. For them that might mean eating a leaner diet and doing exercise to avoid diabetes or heart disease. Not everyone can be fat and healthy, though some can. Andre Talley is not naturally large and used to be a very lean man and got to be overweight because he just stopped paying attention to his nutrition. Oprah has battled with her weight for yearrrrs but has never been "thin". She has never pushed the ideal of being thin, only being healthy. Also, editor at large isn't an insulting title, it's a working title. He was editor at large when he was thin as well, and like I said, there's no way Oprah let Skeletor have any effect on her self-image.

no they don't have to be okay with being fat but wouldn't it be sweet if they were *sigh* all of that great talent at SAs disposal. one can only wish. but the thing is that both have made it obvious that they are not doing it ONLY for thier health. and you don't actually have to be fat to be concretely supportive of people who are.

[superodalisque]

Originally Posted by katherine22

Interesting ideas you offer, superodalisque. Although it is not about pro-fat anti-thin. We need a more realistically reflection of fat people in the media. Fat people are still being portrayed in the media as cartoons. There are tentative steps happening such as the Dove beauty bar campaign working to expand our concept of beauty. particularly their work with teenage girls.

things are changing slowly. its just a shame though that people who have been and are actually fat are usually the last ones to sign on to do the work. the fat ones are usually ashamed, quiet, or telling everyone that they are dieting or have done for the most part. then i'm sure they go home at night and think of how unfair the pressure is as though they have nothing to do with it. its a real shame that some of our best advocates are generally people who've never been fat themselves. the dove campaign is a good example of that. that Dove real women campaign should have been done by someone like Oprah but it wasn't.