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Old 05-26-2009, 12:53 PM   #1
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Default :( Gay marriage is no longer in California :(

Sad day today. I just hope and pray that the pro-gay marriage activists can act quickly and get something to the people to vote on soon. I'm going to be checking out Jointheimpact.org this afternoon to see how i can help.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gay_marriage
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:08 PM   #2
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Wow...what a fucked up state.

"We, the state, decree that gays can marry. You are now as good as straights."

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"Just kidding. We take it back "
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:10 PM   #3
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I just read this. Isn't that a damn shame?

(And 6-1? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! *HEADDESK* Seriously.. )
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:19 PM   #4
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Well, the truth is that there are a lot of people in California besides the very liberal base of San Francisco and L.A.

A lot of Catholics (Hispanic population), a lot of African Americans who vpted against it, a lot of conservative rural folks...

And these demographics get bigger every year.
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I know I voted for gay marriage to be legal. I apologize for my state
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:17 PM   #6
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I'm not surprised. I don't even know if I'm all that sad about it, really. If we didn't live in a world where legal rights are tied to marital status, the institution of marriage isn't all its cracked up to be. Considering it wasn't THAT long ago that the only people who really had full equality under the law when it came to romantic relationships were white straight men, I sometimes wish GLBT people were fighting for full equality under the law by dismantling the governmental oversight of marriage altogether. But then again, I may be bitter because I'm single, or not that invested because I don't live in California.

Yes, I guess I am saying I'm all for civil unions, though. Its the rebel in me, this need to reject heterosexual-based forms of kinship formation and civil liberties, perhaps.
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:\ I'm not surprised. California has a lot of conservatives, really. Meh.
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This court ruling isn't a particular surprise and for all practical purposes was expected. In the strict context of what was being decided, the Calif. state constitution can be changed by referendum, this ruling is simply a confirmation of that.

What should be noted about the results of Prop. 8 is that it was only won by 2 percentage points or so. Concluding that Californians are against gay marriage is far from being true. It also must be said that the pro-Prop 8 side had significantly greater funding than the side against Prop 8. There were many pro-Prop 8 commercials and advertisement in general, some rather deceptive in my opinion. There were few commercials against Prop 8, much less advertising overall. It has also been discovered that a large amount of pro-Prop 8 funding came in from out of state conservative interests... I think the only conclusions that can be drawn from the Proposition 8 vote is that this will be a hotly contested issue in the future. I wouldn't consider gay marriage dead in this state by any means.
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Like others said, not surprising.. yet still disappointing. Here's hoping it changes again in the future.
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This court ruling isn't a particular surprise and for all practical purposes was expected. In the strict context of what was being decided, the Calif. state constitution can be changed by referendum, this ruling is simply a confirmation of that.

What should be noted about the results of Prop. 8 is that it was only won by 2 percentage points or so. Concluding that Californians are against gay marriage is far from being true. It also must be said that the pro-Prop 8 side had significantly greater funding than the side against Prop 8. There were many pro-Prop 8 commercials and advertisement in general, some rather deceptive in my opinion. There were few commercials against Prop 8, much less advertising overall. It has also been discovered that a large amount of pro-Prop 8 funding came in from out of state conservative interests... I think the only conclusions that can be drawn from the Proposition 8 vote is that this will be a hotly contested issue in the future. I wouldn't consider gay marriage dead in this state by any means.
The court ruled very narrowly on the proposition.
They didn't bar civil unions possessing the same legal characteristics as marriage.
Nor, since it didn't have retroactivity written into it (nor mentioned in any of the ballot wording) it wasn't applied retroactively to the thousands who were married in the "Rainbow Window".
And that latter point leaves open a very viable 14th Amendment challenge (equal protection).

They punted this one.

It'll get overturned, either via proposition eventually, or through lawsuits based on the equal-protection angle. But it won't have been because the court "went against the will of the people". Keep in mind that CA judges (including the state Supreme Court) have to face voters to retain their positions...

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I read about this. It kinna sucks. Over here we have civil partnerships, which are so much better than 'marrage' that the straight people are moaning about wanting them!
I thought there was something in some constitution or something that some dead guy in a top hat said about 'All people being created equal'. If we are all equal why is your country not giving ALL people equal rights?? This Blows my mind and bugs fuck out of me!! I dont care if red neck mentalists dont like gays. Gays exist and are human so should be afforded equal rights. Just because more stupid people agree doesnt make it right!
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