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Old 05-14-2014, 09:23 PM   #176
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I say both Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. There are so many, Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Boxing Day...

i don't like the over commercializing of any holiday, but that is the USA... they sell the hell out of anything and everything.

Here is a list you will find funny Amaranthine..

December, 2014 Daily Holidays, Special and Wacky Days Calendar:
http://www.holidayinsights.com/moreh...s/december.htm

#23 is hilarious!



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Old 05-14-2014, 09:41 PM   #177
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If I know or suspect the sneezer is Christian, I will say "Bless you!" Otherwise, I'll say "Gesundheit!" The exception is if I'm being silly, when I'll say "Excuse you!" or something to that effect.

Edited to add: I'm not bothered by secular Christmas celebrations. The holiday is deeply ingrained in Western culture, so it makes sense that atheists/agnostics/non-Christians would celebrate the day. Peace on Earth and goodwill toward all is a great thing, no matter what you do or don't believe. Plus loot. Loot is good.
Winter solstice celebrations are good. As is the veneration of trees. I can do without the loot thing -- people have way too much junk -- its possible to have nice party without loot.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:26 AM   #178
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I figure that the Christian church took a lot of existing holidays and took them over, so there is no reason they can't be taken back and changed into something else again

That being said, I hate the hyper-commercialization of practically every single holiday. But that is really a rant about how our culture has evolved, not about spirituality (I don't believe that commercialism is the opposite of spirituality, for what that is worth)
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Old 05-23-2014, 03:56 AM   #179
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Right now I'm on my lunch break and, looking through my youtube subscriptions for something interesting to watch while nomming, I decided on a sermon. There's a gay Afrikaans pastor that I find to be just brilliant. The talks are way more motivational than they are sententious.

The Afrikaner culture is incredibly restrictive and conservative, even leaving Christianity out of the mix. You even hear it in the language. Afrikaans can have a terribly stilted sound to it *shudders* This guy just flies in the face of all of that, both in what he says and in the way he says it. And, well, I suppose also just by being a gay Afrikaner Christian. This particular talk is entitled: "The rebel and the conformist get their fuel from the same tank." Ugh! I wish I could share it with you guys.

So, that's one of the non-pagan things I occasionally enjoy doing. As for holidays, I say merry Christmas. We don't realllly have a happy holidays saying in Afrikaans Haven't had the chance to wish anyone a merry Yule or a happy Summer Solstice yet.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:00 PM   #180
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To a certain extent yes. However, religion magnifies the human predilection toward violence.

Ireland is fast becoming a much more secular country. The intensity of sectarian fighting has abated in lockstep. A good example of how abandoning religion improves society.
Northern Ireland, where the violence was headquartered, was fast becoming a less religious state 60 years ago when my mother left. From what I hear, church attendance there has changed very little since the Peace Accord came in 20 years ago.

In Eire (Republic of Ireland, the South, Eire, your choice of names) there hasn't been violence since the 1940s. Religious observance remained strong right into the 1990s. But since the election of their first woman president, Mary Robinson, and their deep adoption into the EU, church attendance has dropped noticeably - with no change in the overall peaceful state of the country.

I think you've been confusing the two parts of Ireland, which does your arguement no good. And after the 20th century, one has to say that atheism has lots of blood on its hands.
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[QUOTE=fat hiker;2073444 And after the 20th century, one has to say that atheism has lots of blood on its hands.[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming you're referring to Communism here. Which prompts me to ask, considering how much it proselytizes, if you would consider Communism to be a genuinely atheistic religion?
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I'm assuming you're referring to Communism here. Which prompts me to ask, considering how much it proselytizes, if you would consider Communism to be a genuinely atheistic religion?
Sure, nominally communist governments did some of these (the Ukrainians under Stallin, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge are the two that jump to mind). But then you have various groups under Nazi Germany, the Armenians under the Ottoman Empire, and various other smaller racial/ethnic/cultural purgings -- not always by purely atheist governments, but not religiously motivated either.

To me this argues that hate is a powerful and dangerous tool that some leaders are effective at wielding, and then aiming that hate at 'the other.' That other might be religious, it could be ethnic, a different skin colour, a different political/philosophical leaning (look at how McCarthyism was developing before it thankfully fell apart), etc.

That religion has often been the source of the other is, to my mind, just a factor of convenience--because religion concerns itself with moral issues, it is easier to whip up hatred of those who are doing it wrong. But history has shown we have plenty of capability of being just as stupid about other perceived differences.
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