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Old 10-02-2014, 05:47 PM   #1
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TW a lot of crappy comments from people. These flames are really getting to me. :'( (from my story, Growing... I delete these anon comments so they're not published on the story... but *cue theatrical sob* they're published in my HEARRRRRRRRTTTTTTT.

no seriously i just need some support because these people are craptacular.

8/6
Chapter: 13. Chapter 13

From: Guest
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:I was actually disappointed that you didn't post it all here because it wasn't graphic (mentioning body parts or undressing and even that they discussed or even engaged in an act is not graphic). The way you intermingled it in their discussion lifts it out of the realms of pwp or full on smut and to skip to another site (which i hate) has spoiled the reading glow for me. The excitement i felt at seeing you had updated has kind of gone now.

That said i did enjoy what i read but knowing i now have to read it on the other site to read the previous chapters over and over again as i have been has taken the edge off my enjoyment. Sorry

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8/8
From: guest 007 (Guest)
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guest 007:and who do you think you are? that is no behaviour to speak with your readers. if you cannot deal with objective criticism or advice you should not post anything on the www and just hide in your room. after all, giving advice to improve is the only use of reviews. How could you learn anything if everyone just said how great everything is, even if it is the worst rubbish in the world?
you know, until now I refrained from posting my disgust concerning your love for fat people...but after this imbecile and childish AN I advise you to see a doctor... you must be sick.

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8/9 - they re-posted their comment when they saw it didn't post. wow
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guest 007:...and who do you think you are? that is a very unfriendly way to talk to your readers! why should they not be allowed to post their opinion? reviews are meant to help you improve your work! do you really only want to hear lies how great everything is? what is the use of a review if you cannot learn from it?
your behaviour is very childish and immature. if you cannot deal with criticism, I suggest you do not post anything on the www and just hide from the world...
you know, first I decided to not post my negative thoughts of this story, but your unfriendly AN changed my mind. I suggest you see a doctor who can help you with your disgusting adoration of fat people, you must be sick...

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8/19
Story: Growing
Chapter: 16. Chapter 16

From: Hermione (Guest)
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Hermione:Ich habe noch nie so viel Unsinn gelesen...traurig. Du tust mir leid, liebe Autorin. Ich wünsche dir, dass du rasch medizinische Hilfe findest, offenbar hast du große psychische Probleme. Viel Glück!

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8/23
Story: Growing
Chapter: 17. Chapter 17

From: Guest
:Just a friendly suggestion. Not everyone will want to read smut (it does happen!) and won't go to another site to read it. In this chapter, this would mean that they would miss a bit of story as well.

Can I recommend that you post the part about their discussion re Neville on this site as well? Otherwise some of your readers will miss out on a key part.

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8/26

From: RoseandtheDagger (Guest)
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RoseandtheDagger:I am really of two minds about this fic. personally I am curvy uk14-16 and tall but being big runs in the family so I work out keeping toned as there are also health problems in my family. I understand people being big as long as they are healthy but when people get a certain size it can lead or start health problems and is something I truly fear and don't like.
so part of this fic is baffling and not my ideal but at the same time I keep coming back to the story and perhaps the attitude of not caring about others around them and enjoying their size. I also know that being big can suit a person much more than skinny.
so as I said not enamoured but still hooked but some reason.

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9/6
Chapter: 23. Chapter 23

From: Guest
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:I find myself having to stand away from this story now. The idea of a fat fetish is fine, the idea of polyamory is fine, the idea of gender identity/sexuality exploration/other kinks is fine, but I feel that rather than explore one facet and explore it well, you are skimming over very under-represented themes and from what I've seen not doing any real justice to them apart from the fat kink. It feels like you are sitting down and thinking, "what kink/theme," shall I add today rather than it being a cohesive part of the story. I mean you could have mentioned earlier that Hermione had thought about other women etc earlier in the story as an aside so that when this chapter came out your readers could go, "oh yeah".

Maybe I am a purist when it comes to storytelling but I just feel this plot has little cohesion anymore. And as a writer you should always have that.

Sorry.

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9/9
Story: Growing
Chapter: 24. Chapter 24

From: Sshg4ever (Guest)
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Sshg4ever:sorry, but this is not only badly written, but also full of sick ideas. I thought I might give it a try, but now I'm sorry for every wasted minute. I know that you childishly delete every review you do not like, but that doesn't stop me from writing my honest opinion. As I already told you 3 times, you should see a doctor.

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9/18
Story: Growing
Chapter: 24. Chapter 24

From: Guest
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:Sorry but there is nothing erotic about this now. At the start it was hot, and I loved getting a new chapter a day, but now I find this to be unhealthy in all sorts of ways. I'm larger and my husband likes me larger but it is one thing to appreciate ones size but another to encourage someone to harm themselves. The amount they eat is almost impossible to comprehend and utterly unrealistic and your descriptions have become stomach churning. I am so disappointed because I was enjoying it until you introduced this irresponsible attitude.

And as for the rest if it, it's become so random that I don't want to waste my time anymore.

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10/2/2014

From: guest from Europe (Guest)
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guest from Europe:ah, you are American...well that makes sense...but instead of the 25% you mention I would rather say 99% suffer from mental illness...just look at them! lol...
and regarding body weight, it also makes sense! they all eat lots of disgusting and unhealthy fast food!
and I do not care whether you delete this or not..everyone has a right to his own opinion, thus I write what I think!
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Old 10-03-2014, 06:43 AM   #2
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it is hard when someone looks at your baby and calls it ugly, or says that you must be a bad parent--even if they are anonymous strangers. And no doubt of it, stories are our mental babies.

I've not really read your story because it isn't particularly my cup of tea, but I could well imagine that on most sites the negative reaction to the weight gain and stuffing could be pretty intense. Fat hate aside, the notion of liking and embracing this stuff is odd enough to most people to throw them off-stride. It was brave of you to post in a non-fat community, and probably good in that it widens what a lot of readers have been exposed to, but get back some hate was almost inevitable.

And of course, there are some people who are never happier than when they find an excuse to belittle someone, and some of the comments look to be of that kind too.

In short, sorry that you had to deal with that sort of feedback, and that some of it lodged so deeply, but more than that I hope you can move past it and carry on doing what you want with your stories.

And in between, I think the proper solutions to that sort of psychic attack is a large hunk of chocolate, right? ;-)
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Old 10-04-2014, 12:08 AM   #3
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Like Tad said...pretty much all the criticism is due to the fetish content of the story, not the writing itself. So that's something! And I only point that out because you chose to post this on the Story Writers forum; I fully realize that people outright rejecting your sexuality feels awful.

For what it's worth, I have read your story and find it super hot. But I can totally see how people might...not...take it too well, if they're not into fat-related things. Honestly, even within a circle of FAs and feeders, your story is probably a bit more on the extreme side than many are willing to tread. I say that because you tie in some things that aren't commonly accepted (like polyamory) and some things that have the ability to make people uncomfortable, especially in a sexualized context (like mental illness, purposeful/nonchalant self-destruction.)

So, really, good on you for putting your work and interests out there like you did. I enjoy it and I'm sure the same goes for many others. You're just dealing with a sizable portion of people who have zero ability to empathize with your kinks; sexuality tends to be very insular like that. And people often reject that which they don't understand. Even apart from the sexiness, I've really enjoyed the dialogue between characters and plot events you've had take place...so try not to take those comments to heart too badly.
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Old 10-04-2014, 12:31 PM   #4
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While I can only second what Tad and Amaranthine have written - on the other hand I can't offer you whole hearted consent and consolation.

Many of your guest critics have written personally insulting and unfair comments, which are indeed not a way to deal with any oeuvre someone else has obviously put a lot of work into. If anybody feels so strongly negative about something, they should just stay away from it because their comments will not be able to do it any justice.
You're understandably hurt and offended by those remarks.

Nevertheless I must say that I can follow and understand some of the more nuanced comments you referenced here - and can even relate to them.
You lost me as a reader along the way too.

As you will know from my own writing - I have absolutely no issue with the fat kinks, etc. on the contrary. But my impression was that you veered very far into writing kinky, provocative and smutty elements for the sake of being provocative and smutty or because this was your thing in the context, without this contributing to story or character development.

This ties into my general doubts about fan fiction as a genre - and how far it can go, which I already mentioned in my OP in response to the first installments of your story.

Millions know and love the characters you write about. They're both fictionally very fleshed out, with their own stories and voices; in this specific case almost universally present in everybody's mind in literary and celluloid form (unless HP was almost consciously avoided). You mimic these characters quite well at the beginning - but then you carry them away into your own fictional world, taking them so far that not even a travestie remains, only the names stay the same.

That actually can hurt readers who love the characters the way they are - and who are not thrilled to read about them in a what some people could consider pornographic context. Maybe as a hint to help put some of the reactions into perspective.

Which leads me to my fundamental issue with fan fic. Legally it in essence is the abuse of someone else's intellectual property.
The characters you have so massively altered are JK Rowlings brain children, it's her vision of a story you're taking apart. From my perspective as a writer - it might be flattering if others feel so strongly about my characters to want to write about them too. Not with my fictional writing, but from the non-fiction I do as assignements I've dealt with plagiarizing and textual re-cycling regularly. I don't like it - I want my texts and concepts to stay the way they are and not have others mess around with them. Most writer's probably can relate to this.

Now I know the internet has established fan fic as a full fledged phenomenon - and especially around Harry Potter there's a lot of it. Rowling herself with the Pottermore site has played with and kindled the concept herself. So far, she and her legal advisors have actually been very tolerant about the issue, probably taking it as a form of good publicity.

Yet there most likely will be some limit to this tolerance - and I can imagine, also given that children and teens still are the core HP target group - that some extreme forms of fan fic can potentially encounter legal action, particularly if they are publicized on the internet.

Maybe trying to be more realistic in managing your expectations regarding feed back to such extreme forms of fan fic could be an approach in the future. Or not posting it on (semi-)public forums, but finding more targeted and limited channels of disseminating it to an audience you know is interested and appreciative.
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In terms of weight extremity your story isnt off kilter. So many stories on this site are about an extreme amount of weight in a small period of time - very rarely does someone write "and they averaged a 3.2 lb weight gain per year as a result of their mild dr pepper addiction". So high weight gain is a common theme. So is magic weight gain - hell, ive read ones here about gaining weight from cum or breast milk. Have you read the how much weight you gained in a year thread? Our AVERAGE story is double! Because it is sexual fantasy, and isnt meant to be realistic. And ive seen people eat that much (probably not regularly but still). You are writing a fantasy - in a magic world!...the suspension of disbelief is not broken for me.

I tip my hat to you because fan fiction is the hardest to write - you cant just tug your characters hither and thither, they have to be "true". The fact that you are taking two "lesser" characters and creating a detailed world - while touching on the other main characters and past history - is awesome. People react more violently to fan fiction because they are already vested in the characters - so a lot of that rage is just abstract how dare you because it isnt the fanfiction they wanted. Good! Its yours. If they dont like it, they can write their own.

People are far too free with negative opinions. People who have never challenged
Themselves - and i mean put themselves on the line writing - cannot understand how damaging and personal their comments are. You cant stop them from commenting (unless you can disable comments)...so just try to ignore them.

I am enjoying your story. Your writing style is very unique, and i enjoy that!

Also you are writing a long story. Plot lines spill out and arch around - most people are wham bam thank you mam kind of readers, and long stories like yours are too complicated to follow - i am guilty of that in reverse - i can barely bring myself to read a short story because i find i bland, one dimensional and boring...to each her own! I can see the plot lines still - it doesnt seem like you introduced the poly to drop it - i anticipate it being part of a
Relationship hitch or climax or some sort of intricasy.

Its so hard not to read comments - mean ones make me go frosty but i have to admit i thrive under good ones, and the rough ones hurt.

I normally cant read fanfic but i am enjoying yours!! Keep it up!!
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Thanks for all the thoughts folks. And the chocolate, @Tad. I do appreciate it. I was particularly bothered when I posted this because there was one consistent troll who was, for months, being the first person to post a comment every time I posted, even when I took a break from posting for a month or so. It was really creepy, actually, and it pissed me off.

I expect horrible comments from the general public - I mean, as a teenager, I might have been someone who might have posted such things! But the stuff that elicited majorly challenging feels for me were very important to my development as a writer, a reader, and as a person. So the stuff I put in this story, I feel like it's important to have on the internet in this particular package. The thing that really got me down was having someone track my posting and log on and be like UR CRAZYYYYYY multiple times - particularly when they're clearly the same person. I felt really attacked in a different way than someone posting 'I don't like this because X.'

"it isnt the fanfiction they wanted. Good! Its yours. If they dont like it, they can write their own. " Yes! And since the fanfiction I wanted didn't exist, I wrote my own! Hooray!

"But my impression was that you veered very far into writing kinky, provocative and smutty elements for the sake of being provocative and smutty or because this was your thing in the context, without this contributing to story or character development." I also cut out large swaths of this stuff from the stuff I post on the more child-oriented site, Fanfiction.net.

Granted, fanfiction.net was my first exposure to smut as a teen, and I valued it for that purpose back then. But I am also sensitive to the fact that teens probably aren't developed enough in their sexual identities where they can run into a fic like mine and be A-okay afterwards. I still remember a few things I read 'too early' and shudder even though they're kinda tame. (Well, okay, scratch that. One thing about my fics is that I *always* write about consenting adults. There's some stuff on FFn that while not explicit, is clearly non-consensual, and that strikes me as a lot worse for a teen to read than 'oh em gee fat people getting turned on by being fat.' But I'm not really interested in debating the finer points of that here!)

"o many stories on this site are about an extreme amount of weight in a small period of time - very rarely does someone write "and they averaged a 3.2 lb weight gain per year as a result of their mild dr pepper addiction". So high weight gain is a common theme. So is magic weight gain - hell, ive read ones here about gaining weight from cum or breast milk. "
Ditto. Now I don't mind people taking issue with the conventions of the genre, if we can call Dims stories a genre. I try to be realistic in terms of what makes sense in the *world.* Also I do admit my tastes in terms of my writing are largely *ahem* shaped *ahem* by what I've read for the past five years on Dims.

Holy shitsnacks have I been reading this site for five years? wuttttt? I think it's actually been longer since I was a lurker for a long time. Woahhh.
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Just a note - I don't actually want to keep talking about this issue, because it's kinda a major side-track, but for the record, here's my thoughts:

Re: fanfiction as a legal/ethical/moral issue: all I can say is that I've written over a million words of fanfic in my life, and I know writing and reading has brought me thousands of hours of enjoyment and relief from my own mental illness. If this outlet was taken away from me, I don't know how I would react. I am a significantly better and happier person today than I would have been without fanfiction, as far as I can tell. I therefore have very intense feelings about the idea that writers might personally take offense at my work, track me down, and try to prevent me from writing fanfiction. My writing explores hypotheses. Any piece of my writing is a thought experiment, and despite all the work I put into this, I'd never say that this is meant to be a long-lasting or necessarily societally-meaningful piece of work. I'd never say that this supercedes the point of the original authors in any meaningful way other than meaningful to myself. Given all of my work on this fic and my others will be forgotten in 100 years, while Harry Potter will continue to be remembered for its cultural impact, I'm not concerned about the impact my fic will have beyond a small group of people who read it and are interested in it. So I appreciate your points, agouderia, but I think this isn't necessarily the place to talk about this, and I really don't want to talk about this further.

For the record, I have a significant amount of other work that I've written as original work, but I've never bothered to do the leg-work to shop it out to publishers. I'd never do the thing that the 50 Shades person did and clumsily take fanfiction and turn it into moneyz.
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