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Old 10-09-2016, 09:58 PM   #1
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Default Third Debate (ok, second, the other 2nd was the VP debate)

Snap polls from credible pollsters show a clear Clinton win (CNN and YouGov); GOP focus group shows a Trump win, CNN focus group shows a Clinton win.

A clear, but not decisive, win. Mr. Trump exceeded expectations by merely showing up.

Sec. Clinton succeeded in being her usual competent self and presenting a Presidential image while doing so.

Mr. Trump succeeded in being his usual bombastic, domineering self, and presenting the image of a somewhat unhinged wannabe President-for-Life of a third-world autocracy.

Anyone who was all-in with Mr. Trump as "The Donald, Implacable Foe of Hillary" saw what they wanted to see from him, in spades. The ones who would have held their noses to vote for him but nonetheless would because of the (R) on his ballot line... not so much. Especially Republican women.

But he did do better than expected, which now places Republican downticket candidates in a quandary: they don't have an easy excuse to bail on him now. This is particularly a problem since he motivated his base tonight, bigly [yes, it's supposed to be "big league"], and they need those voters to turn out for them as well. Disavow him, and lose those voters; don't, and lose moderates and Republican women as well as motivating opposition voters...

And as with the VP debate, many of Sec. Clinton's apparently pulled punches will end up as campaign-ad ammunition. Between that and the next round of opposition news-drops, it looks like it'll be another bad week for Mr. Trump.

On the other hand... as I noted, he did exceed expectations, and gave the Breit-base the red meat they needed. I wonder if that will be enough to bring his partisans (and particularly his "non-"partisans) back to give their side of things again.
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What was with him acting like a creepy clown or gropy uncle, following her around the stage, looming over her? Was that suppose to knock her off her game?

And what's with the Facebook presser with Bill's accusers? Could that have been any less disgusting, considering he's named called a couple of them in the past?
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Yes, and yes.

The thing about the press event is that it was supposed to have been a setup for bringing them to the debate and confronting former President Clinton with them. That gambit was shut down by the debate organizers, particularly including Frank J. Fahrenkopf, the debate commission’s co-chairman and a former Republican National Committee chairman.

Which explains the Brietbart-comments-page rant with which Mr. Trump started the debate. It was likely his fallback option to get the accusers' points into the debate and thereby rattle Sec. Clinton, or was originally meant to play from the brouhaha that would have occurred had the confrontation actually happened. Without the planned event to set the stage and establish negative preconceptions of both Clintons, he didn't have the (room and viewing) audience along with him from the starting point. As it was, he had to start from zero and make the case before he could get to where she'd be putin jail. And he had to do that using his own credibility (not high outside the diehard right) rather than starting with the credibility of his assembled group of accusers (possibly higher, and since it was a "new" angle and would have had interesting video, would have been treated by the media as as at least somewhat credible).

Further, if he'd actually unnerved Sec. Clinton into a sub-par debate performance and held his own, even to the point where it seemed like a draw, [note: it wasn't] the media response to the accusers would be given legitimacy in order to revive the horse-race narrative .
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:01 PM   #4
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Donnie's grabbing votes as fast as he grabs the pussy.
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There seems to be some sort of correlation there, yes.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Dammit I couldn't rep this. Consider it so for making me bust a gut with that line.
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Trump was creepy as fuck. Pardon my language. The threats, the lurking behind her, the creepy stare... All classic ways men try to control women. He would have acted very differently if his opponent was a man.

This debate, even more than the first one, has definitely increased my respect for Hillary though. I'm beginning to become enthusiastic about voting for her!
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Actually, the scary one on that stage was Hillary Clinton. When someone is sworn is as president they swear an oath to preserve and defend the Constitution of the United States. When asked about Supreme Court appointments; she went off in some leftist tangent. Totally ignoring her role in defending the constitution. (And, she is a lawyer by training.)

And yet, it was the non-lawyer Donald Trump that reminded people that Supreme Court justices make their decisions based on the constitution and not their “feelings.”

And yes, that was a stupid gaffe by Hillary Clinton.

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The Constitution is not just the original text and the Second Amendment.
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Exactly, who ever claimed that? Is that your silly belief of conservatives?

The truth is the US Constitution is the original text plus all the amendments to that document.

The US Supreme Court only takes cases with constitutional issues. Which is why justices on the court must be constitutional scholars. They don't decide cases based on “feelings” like Hillary Clinton thinks. Which is why she was wrong and a danger to the nation.
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Conservative Justices have apparently decided based on "feelings" as well -- deciding first, then trying to construct a rationale to support the decision. A good example of that was deciding that secular corporations could be possessed of a religious faith (while openly stating that there were some religious faiths corporations might have that would not qualify for relief granted to other corporations).

I'd rather have the role of "feelings" be openly acknowledged rather than papered-over with tendentious readings of the law. Because, honestly, any case that reaches the Supreme Court has already had the legal and Constitutional aspects fought out inconclusively -- pretty much everything that is clearly one side or the other of Constitutionality gets resolved in the lower courts.

And you've raised a fair point, but as usual put it on the wrong party. The Republican-controlled Senate has been stalling on President Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court for the express purpose of betting (a long-shot bet, but there you have it) that Donald Trump would pick the replacement instead. We're talking about someone whose first campaign manager had to resign over his close ties to Ukrainian oligarchs and the disastrous RNC convention, and can be "egged on" into admitting sexual assault by a TV personality (so says his wife) -- he's not a good judge of character, nor is he particularly responsible. Now that's a danger to the nation!
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