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Old 10-07-2016, 02:25 PM   #1
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So, unfortunately, my state made news this week, with the "house of horrors" after two parents overdose with their children. They only found the bodies after the girl told her school bus driver she couldn't wake her parents up.

WARNING: The pictures of the squalor the children were living in are disturbing.

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WARNING: DISTURBING CONTENT. Christopher Dilly, 26, and Jessica Lally, 25, were found by officers who believe they could have been dead for days

These disturbing images show the house where two parents who had allegedly overdosed on drugs were found dead after their seven-year-old daughter told her school she couldn’t wake them up.

Christopher Dilly, 26, and Jessica Lally, 25, were found on Monday by officers who believe they could have been dead for days.

The pictures show piles of festering rubbish spilling out of dilapidated rooms with doors hanging off their hinges and old kitchen appliances dumped on the floor.

A sandpit marooned among the sea of litter is the only indication that there are children in the house – which otherwise appears unfit to live in.

The bathroom can be seen full of dirty plates and rubbish with brown stains going up the walls.

The pictures were released by Lally's sister Courtney earlier this year after she was left shocked by the overwhelming mess and stench inside the house.

She wrote on Facebook at the time: “This is how Jessica Leigh Lally lives with her children and Christopher Dilly flood Facebook with this in till it gets to them I want people to see what dirty bad parents they truly are.

“It’s so sad they do not care about their children never have never will they beat their kids and make em stand in the corner all day they children are so damaged its not funny’.”

A nine-month-old girl, three-year-old boy and five-year-old boy who were in the Pennsylvania home were taken to hospital for medical tests.

Police were called after the couple’s oldest daughter told one of her teachers that something was wrong, reported Mail Online.

Detectives found evidence of drug use inside the family's apartment but autopsies will be conducted to determine the exact cause of death.

Police have said there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the deaths.

Courtney Lally also claimed her sister’s children have medical and developmental problems caused by their parents’ alleged drug addiction.

Local media reported that court records showed no drug arrests for either Lally or Dilly – but he was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge in December and found not guilty.
This is just one snippet of what's going on around the country.

Part of the problem is that people in some states (but probably not in the case above,) like mine, are afraid to call 911 for fear of arrest during an overdose, so they can't get Narcan, which can prevent their OD.

Some places want to make Narcan available over the counter, with some people suggesting that goes too far.

I think that they should be able to call 911 without worrying about arrest, because that OD might be the rock bottom they need to get help.

What do you guys think should be done?
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Old 10-07-2016, 02:31 PM   #2
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Drug addicts need help, not jail. They shouldn't be arrested for asking for help. If a fraction of what this country spends trying to lock up its citizens for drug crimes were used for drug education and programs to help people get off drugs we'd be in much better shape as a country.
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I've been reading "Dream Land," a searing book about the heroin epidemic, how it overlapped with the Oxycontin epidemic, and how a steady stream of worker bees from the tiny town of Nayarit in the small Xalisco state (not Jalisco) revolutionized black tar heroin sales with a mid-level-management approach.
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The really sad part is that many of the addicts started with prescribed pain killers for legitimate medical reasons and then became addicted. There is no real cure for addiction and it is very difficult to overcome. Their families suffer and as a society we don't have a viable solution.
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Drug addicts need help, not jail. They shouldn't be arrested for asking for help. If a fraction of what this country spends trying to lock up its citizens for drug crimes were used for drug education and programs to help people get off drugs we'd be in much better shape as a country.
I fully agree. Mere addiction or use shouldn't be inherently criminal -- it's a medical issue and should be dealt with accordingly. This is a separate matter from criminal activity concomitant with drug use (DUI, child neglect as noted above, drug-induced violence, etc.).
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The really sad part is that many of the addicts started with prescribed pain killers for legitimate medical reasons and then became addicted. There is no real cure for addiction and it is very difficult to overcome. Their families suffer and as a society we don't have a viable solution.
And there's at least a malign-neglect aspect to the pharmaceutical companies' behavior. They should have been tracking and controlling prescriptions and distribution, but they had no incentive to do so.
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Pharmaceutical companies have been pushing synthetic opioids that are easier to OD on than old fashion morphine. Of course its just a coincidence that they can't make much money selling morphine.
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Drug addicts need help, not jail. They shouldn't be arrested for asking for help. If a fraction of what this country spends trying to lock up its citizens for drug crimes were used for drug education and programs to help people get off drugs we'd be in much better shape as a country.
Agree totally that drug use shouldn't be a criminal issue. However, "programs" will be only marginally effective if we don't also address the economic devastation that's driving much of the epidemic.
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Two years ago this month DEA bumped hydrocodone from a Schedule III to a Schedule II drug, the same as morphine. My wife said at the time that this would likely push Vicodin abusers onto heroin as the only easily obtainable substitute. I have no tolerance for drug abuse, but I am coming around to the idea that we might need to rethink the war on drugs.
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It's truly a tragedy when people become addicted to these drugs; this isn't "recreational" substance abuse - heroin and it's brethren deprive you of the ability to make rational decisions and destroy free will. They steal your soul. I think most people in this country would agree those who've become addicted need education and help, not mere incarceration.
The drug pushers are another story. They fancy themselves entrepreneurs meeting a demand, they are no such thing. They are merchants of death. Were it up to me, every addict who dies of an overdose of illegal drugs should be treated as a murder, and their dealer prosecuted as a murderer with capital punishment as the penalty.

I'm aware that raises some practical legal issues with respect to legitimate pharmaceutical companies and physicians, but my sentiment remains the same.
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The line between "legitimate" pharmaceutical company and drug dealer can indeed be blurry.
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The line between "legitimate" pharmaceutical company and drug dealer can indeed be blurry.
Do drug dealers and their “employees” pay taxes? Pharmaceutical companies and their employees do.

Do drug dealers spend billions each year to develop new drugs? Pharmaceutical companies do.
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I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the average drug dealer's tax burden was actually higher than that of the average pharmaceutical company.
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John Oliver did a good spiel on drugs, addiction and big pharma on Sunday. You can probably find it on you tube. It discusses the role big pharma took in creating the addiction problem here in the States. It also highlights the need to find a solution.
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How exactly does the average drug dealer declare income from the sales of an illegal product?
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How exactly does the average drug dealer declare income from the sales of an illegal product?
Federal income taxes are only a small portion of most people's total tax burden.
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They are not growing heroin poppies in the USA.. It is smuggled in. One just has to watch National Geographic Channel to see how it works. Mexican cartels. ........Change popular opinion in the USA.
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