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Old 10-25-2017, 05:25 AM   #26
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Darwin's Theory and general theory of evolution is too full of holes to use it as a basis for discussion
I can't believe what I'm reading...
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It is a bit of a shock at first, especially if you've only heard the one-sided arguments of the typical college science textbook.
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Yeah right. The shock is that somebody in current times can even think that, maybe earth is flat - who knows... (maybe some rapper is going to answer that).
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Yeah right. The shock is that somebody in current times can even think that, maybe earth is flat - who knows... (maybe some rapper is going to answer that).
A large number of biologists in biology conferences apparently think that, so I'm not going to argue with them.
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Making the bold assumption here that we all agree in some way with Darwin's theory, we all know that certain traits will cause a species to die out or survive.
Now all of us are educated people and we all know that obesity can cause certain problems, heart failure, diabetes etc, however some people seem to suffer from these at 250 - 300 pounds whilst others seem free of them at 500 or more pounds.
My question is this, do you think with the world's bulging waist lines, weak hearts and other such issues will evolve out of the human race leaving us a stronger yet fatter species? Or Not?
Neither really the one or the other. People still naturally adapts themselves through various environmental conditions over generations regarding their tolerance through it, therefore at some point there could being over time some people developping a resilience to see their health spiral out into disarray even after have gained a markedly amount of weight: but unless to be either genetically-enhanced, granted by body-enhancing cryptic capabilities or being born a somewhat genetic singularity, I highly doubt that the human race is predestined someday to mutate into a breed of roly-poly superhumans.
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Darwin's Theory and general theory of evolution is too full of holes to use it as a basis for discussion
Every single thing, for mere hypothesis to which most people perceive as "reality" contents their holes. So I am not surprized that a mere theory developped nearly two centuries ago when modern Sciences weren't that refined then that things like Spiritism or Scientific Racism were predominant in this society, could have indeed his lot of holes regarding a XXIth-century viewpoint, same as for most everything .

But, following this same way of thought, even our mere presence here is philosophically, pragmatically, forethoughtfully speaking way absurb.
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A large number of biologists in biology conferences apparently think that, so I'm not going to argue with them.
Which "large number" , specifically (since we are roughly seven billions and half of human souls, then that the number of specialists in biology across the world may easilyy neighbouring the ten million) ?

Also, we all know those "large number" of doctors still thinking religiously that being skinny is the only healthy way of life then that being fat is a potential risk for laziness, hedonism, diabetes then heart diseases when most everybody in society run a more-or-less hedonistic first, the that scientifically speaking there still aren't authentic proofs of pragmatic correlation between obesity (even abdominal obesity) and all those aforementioned illnesses.
It still doesn't stop a lot of ignorant, god-fearing folks to believe to this crap since decades.
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It still doesn't stop a lot of ignorant, god-fearing folks to believe to this crap since decades.
Admittedly, biology is my own weakest subject, but I'm fairly certain that the contrary evidence of the fossil record, or the countless "missing links" in the evolutionary chain, or the incomplete outline that neo-Darwinian macro-evolutionary theory still consists of (I.E.: even some of the greatest biologists in the world will admit to not understanding how it works,) all serve as adequate cause for doubting that natural selection is an adequate explanatory hypothesis to explain biological diversity as it is today.

Your reply has not addressed any of these issues, or any of the examples that I gave in my past replies. In fact, all you've done here is to dismiss the theory's detractors, based on straw man assumptions about their points of view.

That's not adequate, first, because it's an argument ad hominem, but of course, also because of the simple fact that it takes more to refute a position than just treating it dismissively.

If, on the other hand, you were genuinely unaware of the information I posted in my past replies, please go back and take another look at it. Maybe you'll learn about some of the people involved in biology and evolution today, like James Tour, who performs nano-machine operations on living cells, and has issued an open invitation to any evolutionary expert to teach him how macro-evolution is supposed to work, or Francisco Ayala; one of the greatest evolutionary biologists on Earth, who also happens to be a "god-fearing folk."

Learning is fun, and more people should do it.
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Admittedly, biology is my own weakest subject, but I'm fairly certain that the contrary evidence of the fossil record, or the countless "missing links" in the evolutionary chain, or the incomplete outline that neo-Darwinian macro-evolutionary theory still consists of (I.E.: even some of the greatest biologists in the world will admit to not understanding how it works,) all serve as adequate cause for doubting that natural selection is an adequate explanatory hypothesis to explain biological diversity as it is today.

Your reply has not addressed any of these issues, or any of the examples that I gave in my past replies. In fact, all you've done here is to dismiss the theory's detractors, based on straw man assumptions about their points of view.

That's not adequate, first, because it's an argument ad hominem, but of course, also because of the simple fact that it takes more to refute a position than just treating it dismissively.

If, on the other hand, you were genuinely unaware of the information I posted in my past replies, please go back and take another look at it. Maybe you'll learn about some of the people involved in biology and evolution today, like James Tour, who performs nano-machine operations on living cells, and has issued an open invitation to any evolutionary expert to teach him how macro-evolution is supposed to work, or Francisco Ayala; one of the greatest evolutionary biologists on Earth, who also happens to be a "god-fearing folk."

Learning is fun, and more people should do it.
You have right: biology truly is your weakest.
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