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View Poll Results: does it put you off when you know a paysite model is lying about her wg interest?
yes, i'm unable to be aroused by a model i know is lying 52 25.87%
yes, it bugs me but what can you do? she's still pretty. 86 42.79%
no, it doesn't bug me at all OR i enjoy having my fantasy engaged. 63 31.34%
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:22 PM   #401
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Wanking and crying at the same time is the most sad thing ever.. i think its even banned in the bible.
Only if you're drinking at the same time. Otherwise it's totally fine.
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:25 PM   #402
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Murray. I see where you are coming from. The only porn person i may have been slighty interested in watching their stuff i found a youtube vid of them (while trying to find sample porn of course) talking about how they were on anti depressants and feeling shit.. I know paysite models are real people... and i guess this is the thing. I think i would just rather have sex with real people... cause i ended up feeling sorry for this woman which is grim! Wanking and crying at the same time is the most sad thing ever.. i think its even banned in the bible.
Lisa, I love you, lol.

I just love the "she can hate herself on her own time, but if I find out about it, I'm going to be SO MAD I paid $5.95 to masturbate to her naked! So mad!" attitude.

That's freedom-fries stupid, right there. "I used to love french fries. Then I found out the French hate us, so now I'm mad that they duped me into loving french fries so much! No, it doesn't matter that it's not actually French food, I don't even want to be associated with the word! So mad!"

I really can't figure out if it's naivete or pure ego. Either way, it's amusing.
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:49 PM   #403
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Others want to pay good money to see a real, honest to goodness gainer.
This is where your actual fantasy seems to reside. People have been talking about porn, and you seem to think you've bought a share in a gainer.

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Its more disturbing to be lied to our faces than to have someone secretly thinking that we suck. Hell, that's not just applying to paysites...that's our every day lives.
I don't know that anyone is lying to you--why take it so personally, anyway?--so much as assuming that you can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. It seems to be a particular fantasy of yours that you can "really" purchase a stake in someone's body for $14.99/month. Otherwise, why not take information you find about a model not being an actual gainer and use it to make a better consumer choice? Why all the talk of lying and "gumflapping" and the show of anger?

A lot of the anger you direct at models that "lie" to you seems misplaced. Why is it their fault that you don't understand you're paying for content?

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Now you have a disclaimer, either buy the clips for the fantasy or don't bother. If people see the gumflap and STILL get angry, that's their own fault.
I see you addressed the disclaimer, and that's cool. I guess it's not clear to me why some people who like WG porn might expect it to be nonfiction while most people don't care that their porn is essentially fiction.
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What you don't seem to get is that in both tactics, you're blatantly being lied to for profit. That's porn, Sparky. Don't worry. I *get* it. What I don't get is how some people can be so pitifully naive about it that they'd be insulted when they find out their fantasy was a *gasp* fantasy.
this thread has been derailed irreparably but i think it's been said more than enough by other parties that they'd like to see the fantasy they paid for, not the shitty version.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:22 PM   #405
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this thread has been derailed irreparably but i think it's been said more than enough by other parties that they'd like to see the fantasy they paid for, not the shitty version.

Yeah? How much do you pay on average for your porn?
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I don't know that anyone is lying to you--why take it so personally, anyway?--so much as assuming that you can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. It seems to be a particular fantasy of yours that you can "really" purchase a stake in someone's body for $14.99/month. Otherwise, why not take information you find about a model not being an actual gainer and use it to make a better consumer choice? Why all the talk of lying and "gumflapping" and the show of anger?
This.

Do men who wank to the typical Playboy bunny feel violated and betrayed if they find out that Miss August is, per part, more plastic than flesh? I'm seriously questioning this. I don't understand this angst in terms of paysite models actually insulting someone's intelligence. It's porn. It's not reality. It never was. It never will be. It's purely a business relationship. You pay for access to pics/videos. She provides same. If you don't like what you see, read, or hear ... isn't it a relatively easy thing to speak with your wallet and terminate that particular business arrangement? To expect that she has to actually WANT to gain or that she'd better give a to-the-ounce accurate portrayal of her weight seems to assume that there is more to that relationship than the fulfillment of fantasy.

To that end, should men who go to strip clubs and pay for lap dances feel righteously violated if they later find out (via Bunny's blog entry, naturally) that she actually loathes and outright despises the sweaty, middle-aged men whom she's paid to grind and dry hump to orgasm? I've always just assumed that the men who patronize these clubs understand well in advance that these women are paid to be nice to them and to act interested. It's part of the fantasy play.
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Yeah? How much do you pay on average for your porn?
How is that relevant?

What Kevin and Dan are both saying is that they get it's fantasy, they get it's porn. They know they're buying fantasy. But they are buying fantasy and when fantasy gets derailed, it bothers them. Yes women on paysites are real women, but strictly from a business perspective, it would seem counterproductive to be public about hating being fat while you're selling access to a paysite. It would seem easy enough to join Weight Watchers or an online support group under another screename and discuss weight loss or disatisfaction over your body as much as you wanted or needed to. I just can see where you are risking customers if you chose to talk about disliking your body is the same arena where paying subscribers can see it.
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It's still not clear to me why it should, in any way, be construed as the paysite model's fault if those who purchase her pornographic materials are reading information about her personal life elsewhere, and that conflicts with their ability to build up a sufficient wank fantasy. To my way of thinking, the only "fail" in the business relationship is that the consumer felt that he paid for more than wank material. And even then, there's still some win involved for him: He can take his credit card elsewhere. I'm still trying to understand the underlying purpose of this thread.
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as a conscientous, porn-loving FA, does it annoy you or even put you off as a customer when models post stuff on the paysite board like "i'm getting so fat" or "i've gained so much this week" when they've posted that they're getting WLS in a different forum, or that it's visibly clear that they haven't gained anything since last week? what about when the number clearly doesn't match the person's body?

are you able to put that cognitive dissonance out of your mind when jacking off?
When you pay for a porn subscription, you're buying a fantasy. So you're annoyed that these adult BBW models don't live out this fantasy 24/7? Who cares what a model posts anywhere else on the web? It's a free world and she's free to post whatever she wants outside of her pay site. When you watch a porno flick, does it interfere with your enjoyment to think that the actresses might be faking their orgasms?
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I'm still trying to understand the underlying purpose of this thread.
That his homemade porn IS the real deal!! Its all just a cunning advertisment!
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This is where your actual fantasy seems to reside. People have been talking about porn, and you seem to think you've bought a share in a gainer.



I don't know that anyone is lying to you--why take it so personally, anyway?--so much as assuming that you can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. It seems to be a particular fantasy of yours that you can "really" purchase a stake in someone's body for $14.99/month. Otherwise, why not take information you find about a model not being an actual gainer and use it to make a better consumer choice? Why all the talk of lying and "gumflapping" and the show of anger?

A lot of the anger you direct at models that "lie" to you seems misplaced. Why is it their fault that you don't understand you're paying for content?

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I see you addressed the disclaimer, and that's cool. I guess it's not clear to me why some people who like WG porn might expect it to be nonfiction while most people don't care that their porn is essentially fiction.
Disregarding the usual nonsense from other posters, your post does make sense and I'll respond.

Actually I myself am not complaining about what I purchase, I was just putting you in the situation that so many others who ARE complaining. I myself don't really have an outrage for "lying" paysiters because I already have the mindset of "its only fantasy".

Dan and I don't have to pay for porn when we can make it ourselves with our significant others....however there are others who aren't so lucky that should get their money's worth from whichever paysite they are on. Now, that doesn't mean he should criticize the content, after all beggars can't be choosers, however in a situation where you're being "lied" to can alter a course so to speak.

Like I said, if a woman posts somewhere that she's only doing it for fantasy and for money, then its not her fault if the consumers are outraged. She's being honest and if people can't handle that, that's their own feeble minded fault. Its the ones that are around for 3 months, take your money and then take off....those are the types to watch out for.

ETA: I used to go strip clubs religiously when I ran with my old crowd from 04-06...I know for a fact that your point about dancers wouldn't touch 95.9 percent of the people they dance for outside of the club is correct . However they have to be nice and playful if they hope to get more business. That's the fantasy they are selling, now if the girl said to a man "Hey, my real name is Layla and I'm married to a hot man and have 2 kids together, I'm only doing this for money" then the man can either say "Fair enough" or get up and find someone else.

You can either play along or be stubborn, either way people deserve what they pay for one way or another.
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When you pay for a porn subscription, you're buying a fantasy. So you're annoyed that these adult BBW models don't live out this fantasy 24/7? Who cares what a model posts anywhere else on the web? It's a free world and she's free to post whatever she wants outside of her pay site. When you watch a porno flick, does it interfere with your enjoyment to think that the actresses might be faking their orgasms?
I don't think anyone is complaining about somebody not living out a fantasy 24/7. I think all the porn consumers who've posted here are aware they're buying a fantasy and don't mind a suspension of disbelief when doing so. I think all they're saying is the fantasy should be reasonably packaged if they're going to sell it. If a woman claims to weigh 500 pounds and she's visibly no more than 375 or 400, then it's going to ruin it precisely because the suspension of disbelief is impossible. Same with being able too see a woman slipping weights into her pocket so the number on the scale is higher. Same with a woman who claims to be gaining when she looks the exact same size for over a year.

Nobody cares if a woman fakes it, they just don't want to see her on camera rolling her eyes or looking at her watch or mouthing "when is this gonna be over"?
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Seriously? I mean....Seriously?

The PlayGirl model who says in her June spread that she loves long walks on the beach and sloooowly licking a vanilla ice cream cone suddenly starts an allergy awareness campaign because of her terrible allergic reaction to all things dairy is a raging liar? All 52 bajillion men who wanked to her pic that June will need to be refunded?

Come on, people!

This sense of entitlement that some BBW porn fans have is downright arrogant. The only reason porn fans know about what's going on in the BBW model's personal life is because she chooses to share it. You should feel lucky that you get such close contact with the women you admire. Frankly, no other models give their fans that kind of information or attention. Get over yourselves already. Pay your money or don't pay your money but quit complaining. Honestly, you sound like spoiled children stomping your feet and shouting, "But I want it the way I want it." Doesn't work that way, chief. They are selling a product. Don't like the product? Don't buy it. Go ahead and log your complaint! Write a letter! But for heaven's sake, don't stand there and whine about it. Yes, there is a Santa Claus, Virginia but even Santa has the right to a personal and frankly he doesn't need your approval.
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Seriously? I mean....Seriously?

The PlayGirl model who says in her June spread that she loves long walks on the beach and sloooowly licking a vanilla ice cream cone suddenly starts an allergy awareness campaign because of her terrible allergic reaction to all things dairy is a raging liar? All 52 bajillion men who wanked to her pic that June will need to be refunded?

Come on, people!

This sense of entitlement that some BBW porn fans have is downright arrogant. The only reason porn fans know about what's going on in the BBW model's personal life is because she chooses to share it. You should feel lucky that you get such close contact with the women you admire. Frankly, no other models give their fans that kind of information or attention. Get over yourselves already. Pay your money or don't pay your money but quit complaining. Honestly, you sound like spoiled children stomping your feet and shouting, "But I want it the way I want it." Doesn't work that way, chief. They are selling a product. Don't like the product? Don't buy it. Go ahead and log your complaint! Write a letter! But for heaven's sake, don't stand there and whine about it. Yes, there is a Santa Claus, Virginia but even Santa has the right to a personal and frankly he doesn't need your approval.
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To me, most of this thread reads as an object lesson in how to objectify. If I was getting paid for the privilege, I wouldn't mind it so much. Since I'm not, I'd really rather not see the whining here.
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This debate reminds me of something that happens in big budget Hollywood films when the real messy lives of stars take over their image. For example, Tom Cruise jumping on the couch, marrying a young girl, ranting about psychiatric drugs on the "Today" show, and what not, there was serious concern that the antics were going to end his career as one of the biggest movie stars of the modern era.

Why? Don't we go into a movie for 2 hours and suspend our disbelief, and when we see Tom in "The War of the Worlds" we don't 'see' Tom Cruise, but whatever character he's playing? We don't care about Katie Holmes and Suri and Scientology and all the rest.

The fact is, we do, we carry that tabloid baggage with us into every movie and TV show we watch, whether we want to or not, and the smart entertainer keeps their messy* personal life under wraps as much as possible in order to maximize their 'brand' and get as much money as possible out of people's ability to associate only positive and wonderful thoughts about their image.

So, a savvy paysite model would try and minimize the amount of public information they share that goes against the image and brand they're selling. There's no reason why they can't think and feel and act on any needs and beliefs that run counter to the image they're selling, but there is no requirement to have that counter-narrative take up public space that is close to, or equal to, the public space they take up as a paysite model.

So, yes, it is true that a paysite model can and should live their life as they see fit, regardless of the image they portray on the net. However, if they want to maximize the income they get from that, they should keep in mind that some information is best left to a more personal, private realm, where paying customers can't get their hands on it, for the same reason that Tom Cruise probably wishes some of his life was still private, since his career hasn't been the same since.


*Do not make the mistake that in using this word to talk about actors, I'm meaning this word to apply to the weight loss or WLS or other ideas that might minimize the pleasure of the person viewing the paysite models. Also, be advised that I have no opinion one way or the other about how paysite models should conduct themselves, as I'm not a customer.
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Seriously? I mean....Seriously?

The PlayGirl model who says in her June spread that she loves long walks on the beach and sloooowly licking a vanilla ice cream cone suddenly starts an allergy awareness campaign because of her terrible allergic reaction to all things dairy is a raging liar? All 52 bajillion men who wanked to her pic that June will need to be refunded?
This is an awful comparison, but I get what you're trying to say.
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Old 12-18-2009, 09:28 AM   #420
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That his homemade porn IS the real deal!! Its all just a cunning advertisment!
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:17 PM   #421
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I don't think anyone is complaining about somebody not living out a fantasy 24/7. I think all the porn consumers who've posted here are aware they're buying a fantasy and don't mind a suspension of disbelief when doing so. I think all they're saying is the fantasy should be reasonably packaged if they're going to sell it. If a woman claims to weigh 500 pounds and she's visibly no more than 375 or 400, then it's going to ruin it precisely because the suspension of disbelief is impossible. Same with being able too see a woman slipping weights into her pocket so the number on the scale is higher. Same with a woman who claims to be gaining when she looks the exact same size for over a year.

Nobody cares if a woman fakes it, they just don't want to see her on camera rolling her eyes or looking at her watch or mouthing "when is this gonna be over"?
That's fair enough, I think it's reasonable for consumers to want a well-done fantasy. But it seemed like the OP was upset that models were expressing opinions that contradicated the fantasy when they were posting in OTHER venues outside of their porn. And that's a down-right silly objection.
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Now that I look the thread from abroad...all these gumflaps just make me shake my head and laugh.

You got people complaining about paysites and people complaining about the complainers. Soon you'll see the complainers complaining about the people complaining about the complainers.

Meanwhile Dan, myself and others just sit back and laugh. Life's too short for petty arguing and rambling nonsense, but its a lot of fun to watch.

Like the old ad says "Have a coke and smile" Carry on
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:32 PM   #423
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Gloating about how you're sitting back and doing x really requires some measure of sitting up, doesn't it?
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Old 12-18-2009, 02:50 PM   #424
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Yeah, well, if you must know, the fact that Dan's dating someone IN FUCKING CANADA and managing it well does really want to make me go do something about my misery.
But that's hardly the point.


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Gloating about how you're sitting back and doing x really requires some measure of sitting up, doesn't it?
Kinda like saying "I don't care" when, if you didn't care, you wouldn't have to say it, would you?
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:01 PM   #425
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You both sound like infants right now.
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