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Old 01-21-2011, 08:03 PM   #101
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Where? I have never seen that in Victoria.

Wheelchairs you can hire, but scooters no.
I've seen them at both Westfield and Centro shopping centres. I live near some big centres, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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my name is Markus, Im from Germany, married with a SSBBLWSW (= SuperSizedBigBeautifullLovelyWonderfullSexyWoman ). And I find this discussion very interesting. To be honest.... I somehow now feel a bit like an alien here... because here in Germany scooters are absolutely unknown. Period!

I`m 37 years old and never ever saw anyone using a scooter here. Neither on countyside nor in the cities. Scooters simply don`t exist here. And I can tell, that here in Germany no one should even dare to be seen on one. These poor person would openly ridiculed at, even harsh attacked. Because here people are very aggressive against fat people. Of course, most people wouldn`t say anything, just stare... but there are quite a few, that would openly attack the person on the scooter for beeing so fat.

In the last years the aggression against fat people has risen quite a lot here. Mainly, because our media bombard us all with the message, that fat people are expensive for all. And many Germans have the tendency, to make the worth of a person fix on an use/cost-ratio. This is sad, but true. Main reason for this is, that in Germany all people (exept the very rich) are forced to have a health insurance. And since this insurance is a model of solidarity (the healthy ones pay for the sick ones), there is a lot of heat here against fat people. I know many people, that openly argue, that fat people should be banned from health insurance and let be died, if they couldn`t afford medication. Because... why should they pay for the indiscipline of the fat people?

These people are simply brainwashed. Not using the own brain and doing, what media and gevernment says is the one great power of the average german (as always, there are a few exeptions). And so this is in Germany. We did never get something like a fat acceptance movement here. I wouldn`t even know of a german SSBBW, that would be willing to stand in this clima openly. Sad, but true.

To return to the topic: from my outside view of point, I can only say, that no one should hesitate to use a scooter, if this device would help you, to have more fun in your life. Because... it is my deepest belief, that having fun and enjoying our lives is the real reason, why we all are here. And only from this point of view I can imagine, that anytime in the future people would start to respect each other.

We all have to do anything neccessary, to have the maximum fun and joy in our lifes. I truly belive this. If this includes using a scooter, I`m for it. Because I want to life with happy people next door.

Germany mostly are not happy people. And so our lifes here are lived (for the most part - as with everything, there are a few exeptions of course) with not too much fun and joy. But maybe someday even this changes... I dream of it.

Love to all

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PS: So... sorry, if I had nothing more specific to add to this discussion. But that is, because there are no experiences here with that objective.

Interesting. I was in Germany (Bavaria) this last summer for two weeks. I'm also an SSBBW and due to back pain and frequent spasms (which have since passed, thank God), I used a cane most of the time I was there. Aside from a few people who seemed to look me up and down with a hint of disapproval on their face - and I do mean only a few - my experience was overall very positive. We spent a lot of time with relatives, but also visited tourist spots and walked the streets of Salzburg and Munich. I found locals to be very friendly. Granted, I don't speak German, so they could have insulted me to my face and I'd be completely unaware of it, but I had feared ridicule out in public and was pleasantly surprised I saw and felt none.

Is your wife's experience when she is out in public any different? I hope not.

p.s. - not happy people? I didn't think people seemed any different than here.. we all have our struggles and stresses, but I saw a lot of joy in the people I met there too. Also, my husband attended small BBW events near Munich more than a decade ago. If they existed then, I imagine they're still around now and perhaps even more popular since the overall population is fatter. It might be worth checking out.. maybe you and your wife can find some support and friendship there.
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Old 01-21-2011, 10:17 PM   #103
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I've seen them at both Westfield and Centro shopping centres. I live near some big centres, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.
When I lived in Melbourne I never saw scooters for hire, just wheelchairs.
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This is the scooter that I want for my second scooter. It is an Afikim scooter from Israel.

Naturally being Israeli it will be the best.

I am not sure though, I may get a different model.
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In sydney wheelchairs, scooters (powershoppers) and strollers are complimentary upon request at westfields but you can only book them for 2 hours at a time.
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Sometimes I take my scooter with me on the train. It is not easy though.
You do not realize just how much the world is set up for able bodied people until you have a disability, and have to use all these aids.

Walking is hard for me now. I cannot walk far, and I cannot walk quickly.

I am going to be test driving a few new scooters next week, and will make a decision as to which one I want then.

I'd rather a quad bike though.
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Interesting. I was in Germany (Bavaria) this last summer for two weeks. I'm also an SSBBW and due to back pain and frequent spasms (which have since passed, thank God), I used a cane most of the time I was there. Aside from a few people who seemed to look me up and down with a hint of disapproval on their face - and I do mean only a few - my experience was overall very positive. We spent a lot of time with relatives, but also visited tourist spots and walked the streets of Salzburg and Munich. I found locals to be very friendly. Granted, I don't speak German, so they could have insulted me to my face and I'd be completely unaware of it, but I had feared ridicule out in public and was pleasantly surprised I saw and felt none.

Is your wife's experience when she is out in public any different? I hope not.

p.s. - not happy people? I didn't think people seemed any different than here.. we all have our struggles and stresses, but I saw a lot of joy in the people I met there too. Also, my husband attended small BBW events near Munich more than a decade ago. If they existed then, I imagine they're still around now and perhaps even more popular since the overall population is fatter. It might be worth checking out.. maybe you and your wife can find some support and friendship there.
I find it depends where you go in Germany. I've been to a few places in Germany and in major cities people tended to not pay me much attention. In smaller parts of Germany you would have thought a car pulled up and 40 clowns got out on unicycles with horns, music and balloons. It was crazy but I suppose it's like that most everywhere. Even here in the states at times but it did seem more so in European countries than here.
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My wife, who suffers with cardiomyopathy, purchased her own scooter 2 years ago, because she was having increasing difficulty walking any distance without becoming out of breath. Many stores in the US have mobility scooters available for use by patrons free of charge. We have traveled for vacation to Las Vegas the past two years. Under US ADA rules, people with mobility scooters may ride them to the airplane door when traveling. The scooter is then taken to the luggage compartment and is unloaded first at our destination to be placed at the door of the plane for her to disembark. At the hotel/casinos I was having difficulty keeping up with her on her scooter, so we contacted the concierge and learned that the hotels rent scooters to guests. So I have rented a scooter while on vacation so we both have equal mobility and stamina on sightseeing and shopping excursions.
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Popping in, finally, to reply to this thread. I've been kinda busy having a baby and all...ha ha..

I've been living in Germany since September of 2009 and I've got to say that I find people VERY judgemental against people of size. Oh, they won't say it to your face, but the LOOK on thier faces says it all. I've never been stared at more in my life than I have since I've been here. Like Lily said....its like I have balloons, neon lights and a bunch of clowns with me everywhere I go; I'm the spectacle of Rauenthal(the tiny hill town we live in), and even in Wiesbaden I get the stares and such. I recall vividly sitting at my bus stop waiting to go home after class...learning GERMAN...to try to integrate myself to THEIR CULTURE/COUNTRY, and a bus pulled to a stop in front of me...it was a tour type bus and it was at the light and one person started to stare...then another, another..and by the time the bus could move, the whole bus was staring at the fat girl at the bus stop. I was so irritated that I stood up and started to wave at them...I didn't know what else to do. It was like they hadn't seen a fat person before!

Let me not get started on the medical professionals. NO, let me say that for the MOST part, I've been lucky. My haus Arzt is great, never lectures about my size and really is respectful. My initial diabetologist(while pregnant) was a different story, though...saying to my husband(in German so that I wouldn't understand her) "what do they DO to themselves over there?(in The States)" She was a little disgusted by my size and took it upon herself to judge the entire American way of life through me. Needless to say, I changed to another Dr in the practice who never ONCE mentioned my weight and was great. Overall, the medical care has been pretty decent and the whole national health system works very well over here. I only hope that the States can come up with something comparable to this...

As for the "unhappy people" in Germany, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think that most people are pretty happy with the health system. I think that in every country, you are going to have people that are not happy with the way things are done, thats normal. The scooter issue? I see mobility scooters all the time over here, and we actually have a scooter store in our town, so the availability is there, but they are not easy to get nor are they easy to get the insurance to cover as you have to be deemed a certain percentage disabled and to get that is very difficult.

I will go on record to say that Germany is very behind in being "behindertongerecht", handicapped accessible, and it has to do with the lack of laws requiring them to BE this way. The US has the Disabilities Act, Germany has no such requirements, so they don't HAVE to have an elevator in all office buildings(most do), or ramps, handrails, etc.

This is just my opinion and experience living here...and it might be different in other areas, too.

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Sorry that you have had to go through all that Stacie.

On the bright side you have your wonderful husband and your two beautiful daughters.
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To reply on this question from the inside: As a German FA, happily married to a BBW, but not supersize, I always find, that it depends a lot on the region, what is happening. In the South of Bavaria people might joke openly about your figure, because people there tend to make jokes about everything, but beyond that, the same people will prove very nice and caring. In Hassia, where I am currently living, people will not care a lot, because privacy is an important value. Going to the North and to the East, people are less tolerant in all questions and in the far Northeast, tolerance is something non-existing. The hometown of my wife is in that corner of Germany and my wife often complained about being nagged. Today she says, she hears more bad remarks in two weeks at home, than in five years here.
Concerning the scooters, I have seen them only a few times in my life. They are rare in Germany, but also in the rest of Europe. And noone would offer them for free use!
But in Europe most things are of smaller size compared with the US
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Popping in, finally, to reply to this thread. I've been kinda busy having a baby and all...ha ha..

I've been living in Germany since September of 2009 and I've got to say that I find people VERY judgemental against people of size. Oh, they won't say it to your face, but the LOOK on thier faces says it all. I've never been stared at more in my life than I have since I've been here. Like Lily said....its like I have balloons, neon lights and a bunch of clowns with me everywhere I go; I'm the spectacle of Rauenthal(the tiny hill town we live in), and even in Wiesbaden I get the stares and such. I recall vividly sitting at my bus stop waiting to go home after class...learning GERMAN...to try to integrate myself to THEIR CULTURE/COUNTRY, and a bus pulled to a stop in front of me...it was a tour type bus and it was at the light and one person started to stare...then another, another..and by the time the bus could move, the whole bus was staring at the fat girl at the bus stop. I was so irritated that I stood up and started to wave at them...I didn't know what else to do. It was like they hadn't seen a fat person before!

Let me not get started on the medical professionals. NO, let me say that for the MOST part, I've been lucky. My haus Arzt is great, never lectures about my size and really is respectful. My initial diabetologist(while pregnant) was a different story, though...saying to my husband(in German so that I wouldn't understand her) "what do they DO to themselves over there?(in The States)" She was a little disgusted by my size and took it upon herself to judge the entire American way of life through me. Needless to say, I changed to another Dr in the practice who never ONCE mentioned my weight and was great. Overall, the medical care has been pretty decent and the whole national health system works very well over here. I only hope that the States can come up with something comparable to this...

As for the "unhappy people" in Germany, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think that most people are pretty happy with the health system. I think that in every country, you are going to have people that are not happy with the way things are done, thats normal. The scooter issue? I see mobility scooters all the time over here, and we actually have a scooter store in our town, so the availability is there, but they are not easy to get nor are they easy to get the insurance to cover as you have to be deemed a certain percentage disabled and to get that is very difficult.

I will go on record to say that Germany is very behind in being "behindertongerecht", handicapped accessible, and it has to do with the lack of laws requiring them to BE this way. The US has the Disabilities Act, Germany has no such requirements, so they don't HAVE to have an elevator in all office buildings(most do), or ramps, handrails, etc.

This is just my opinion and experience living here...and it might be different in other areas, too.

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Congrats on your marriage and little family. Im sure that makes it all worth it. hugs
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Congrats on your marriage and little family. Im sure that makes it all worth it. hugs
Ha, I was there so I know you're not talking out your arse. It does depend on where you go but when you get there, the noise is crap. I hate that you had to ge to the point of gettng angry to cope with it all. It's sad that some people are so thick that blunt force trauma is the only thing that will work.
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Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied? I was just thinking about this and usually I am a pretty easy going good natured person. I would imagine though that if fat hostility were a problem for me on a regular basis after a while it would provoke me to turn somewhat aggressive. "Look lady, you better back right up. You don't know me like that." I'm still kinda ghetto. I realize there's never a cop around when you need one but if one happend by, do you think the law would work in your favor if you were to complain that you are being intimidated by strangers because of your weight?
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Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied? I was just thinking about this and usually I am a pretty easy going good natured person. I would imagine though that if fat hostility were a problem for me on a regular basis after a while it would provoke me to turn somewhat aggressive. "Look lady, you better back right up. You don't know me like that." I'm still kinda ghetto. I realize there's never a cop around when you need one but if one happend by, do you think the law would work in your favor if you were to complain that you are being intimidated by strangers because of your weight?
I don't think the police would do anything as fat is not a protected category in the general sense. However, the UK does rock for disability rights and employee rights. Since I am fat AND disabled...the law is on my side most of the time. But as for general public harassment...nope...gotta deal with that on my own.
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Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied? I was just thinking about this and usually I am a pretty easy going good natured person. I would imagine though that if fat hostility were a problem for me on a regular basis after a while it would provoke me to turn somewhat aggressive. "Look lady, you better back right up. You don't know me like that." I'm still kinda ghetto. I realize there's never a cop around when you need one but if one happend by, do you think the law would work in your favor if you were to complain that you are being intimidated by strangers because of your weight?
Lilly - If you ever find yourself in that position, just cut loose with a high 'C' from those opera-trained lungs of yours. The streets would be full of shattered glass, and the thugs running for the ER with their hands over their shattered ears.
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Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied?
If I was being bullied or harassed in the work place about my weight, then yes, my complaints would be backed up.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:20 AM   #119
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I think, here in Germany you have to look really ill to be somewhat acceptet by people using a scooter. People can be very direct here and speak out loud what they think that's wrong with you. As somebody somewhere wrote, it isn't meant offensive, but as a duty to tell you that.

It isn't easy sometimes, but mostly it's said quietly to another one. You have to be used to ignore it.
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I think, here in Germany you have to look really ill to be somewhat acceptet by people using a scooter.
In my 'transatlantic' experience, this applies more in general to the difference in treating mobility between the US and continental Europe.

Overall barrier free access and requirements are much better in the US than in Europe, where they often are non-existant, especially in Southern and Eastern Europe. This likewise applies to what can be legal ground for harassment cases.

This has to do with legal culture as well as the emphasis versus non-emphasis on individual mobility. The easiest way to observe this is by traveling on a large cruise ship in European waters with a mix of US and European passengers. Both sides are mostly equally astounded to see rather able-bodied Americans in wheelchairs, while rather feeble Europeans still walk with canes or wheeled walkers.

For health, safety as well as comfort reasons, it is much more accepted in the US to use a wheelchair or scooter early on in the process of mobility impairements, while in Europe the goal is to keep any patient individually mobile and on his/her feet as long as possible.

Health and mobility - believe it or not - are by no means objectively measurable facts, but have a strong cultural determinator.
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To reply on this question from the inside: As a German FA, happily married to a BBW, but not supersize, I always find, that it depends a lot on the region, what is happening. In the South of Bavaria people might joke openly about your figure, because people there tend to make jokes about everything, but beyond that, the same people will prove very nice and caring. In Hassia, where I am currently living, people will not care a lot, because privacy is an important value. Going to the North and to the East, people are less tolerant in all questions and in the far Northeast, tolerance is something non-existing. The hometown of my wife is in that corner of Germany and my wife often complained about being nagged. Today she says, she hears more bad remarks in two weeks at home, than in five years here.
Concerning the scooters, I have seen them only a few times in my life. They are rare in Germany, but also in the rest of Europe. And noone would offer them for free use!
But in Europe most things are of smaller size compared with the US
My experience has always been the exact opposite, i.e. that tolerance dramatically decreases the farther south you go in Germany. The only real problems I face in cities like Hamburg or Bremen is cobble stone streets, whereas in Bavaria there is a lot of staring and whispering rather loudly. Yes, people will usually help very kindly, when you ask, or even offer themselves, but they do that mostly anywhere in Germany. For acceptance by people on the street and official institutions though, you couldn't pay me to move south of Hassia longterm.
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People in my country town are absolutely fine with me using a scooter. They are actually very positive about it.

The only time someone said anything was an out of town person, who said under her breath that I would not need a scooter if I wasn't so fat.

I looked at her and said " I have Multiple Sclerosis"

She shut up after that.
I was shopping recently when I bumped into an SSBBW whom I know slightly. She was using a scooter because she'd recently broken her foot. This is a pretty small town, and most people know her, at least by sight, but on this occasion there was no getting away from the fact that the look on many people's faces said,as clearly as if they'd had thought bubbles floating over their heads, "Look at her,she's got so fat she can't even walk round the shop any more". She's a good person, and probably didn't wish for their slow and painful deaths, but...
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My experience has always been the exact opposite, i.e. that tolerance dramatically decreases the farther south you go in Germany. The only real problems I face in cities like Hamburg or Bremen is cobble stone streets, whereas in Bavaria there is a lot of staring and whispering rather loudly. Yes, people will usually help very kindly, when you ask, or even offer themselves, but they do that mostly anywhere in Germany. For acceptance by people on the street and official institutions though, you couldn't pay me to move south of Hassia longterm.
My first time in Germany I had a very radical look. I wore dredlocks and I had lots of piercings. My belly was exposed because I had a new piercing on my belly button that was still healing and I didn't want anything touching it. I found that people didn't give me as much problem then. When I went to Germany a second time all of the piercings had been removed and I was much more average looking. I found people to be a bit more confrontational that time. I think the first time maybe I was a bit more intimidating or people could surmise from my appearance that I was a non-conformist anyway and maybe my size was an act of rebellion?
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My wife, who suffers with cardiomyopathy, purchased her own scooter 2 years ago, because she was having increasing difficulty walking any distance without becoming out of breath. Many stores in the US have mobility scooters available for use by patrons free of charge. We have traveled for vacation to Las Vegas the past two years. Under US ADA rules, people with mobility scooters may ride them to the airplane door when traveling. The scooter is then taken to the luggage compartment and is unloaded first at our destination to be placed at the door of the plane for her to disembark. At the hotel/casinos I was having difficulty keeping up with her on her scooter, so we contacted the concierge and learned that the hotels rent scooters to guests. So I have rented a scooter while on vacation so we both have equal mobility and stamina on sightseeing and shopping excursions.
If any of you have to use a scooter in the company of a walker, please remember that they are walking and thus tire sooner and need to sit. My ex-GF had to use a scooter because of her knees (being a BBW didn't help, but it really was her knees) and she'd run me ragged zipping around the store while I was walking everywhere.

While taking a second scooter as you do does solve that problem, I wouldn't dream of using one solely because she was, just because I'd feel so guilty about it. Not saying you should feel guilty, BTW, only that I would.
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