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Old 06-08-2015, 07:21 PM   #301
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Story's with no real content, just "he is handsome.. into her.. he asks her out and he tells her she is sexy and they have sex on the first date.. and live happily ever after" with nothing else substantial... well.. I might as well watch porn..

Yep.

The current moderating crew is trying to cut back on the most insipid of those. There does seem to be an audience for that sort of stuff, probably because it is what you said--or a little more generously we could call it fantasy transcripts. We have actually tossed a few stories back lately and asked for at least a semblance of plot or character development. Some writers have taken that well, others not so much.
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Old 06-08-2015, 07:39 PM   #302
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Yep.

The current moderating crew is trying to cut back on the most insipid of those. There does seem to be an audience for that sort of stuff, probably because it is what you said--or a little more generously we could call it fantasy transcripts. We have actually tossed a few stories back lately and asked for at least a semblance of plot or character development. Some writers have taken that well, others not so much.
Actually, I didn't mean on here. Just in general. I got some free ebooks from amazon.. and it seems that the stories are very short.. maybe about 10 pages.. and within the first 2 pages the couple is already having sex.. and then by page 5 they are living happily every after and the rest is advertising for the authors for more stories. it is just ugh!.

Also I have noticed that most of the BBW stories are stories about bbws dating werewolves.. why????

I guess only werewolves like bbws?? lol
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You know how difficult it is to find off-the-rack clothes...

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Ok.. I have a question.. has anyone noticed that most stories about bbws/bhms are:

1. Short
2 go straight to the BBWs/BHMs having sex on a first date/meeting with the men/woman?

Where is the story line? Ugh! I don't mind the sexual stuff, but I want some content.

Story's with no real content, just "he is handsome.. into her.. he asks her out and he tells her she is sexy and they have sex on the first date.. and live happily ever after" with nothing else substantial... well.. I might as well watch porn..

/whispers/ I might be writing a very long story involving a SSBHM with a BBW/FFA and a sort of 'forbidden love' type of situation, but I never thought about sharing it...
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cherrygarcia... SHARE!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
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/whispers/ I might be writing a very long story involving a SSBHM with a BBW/FFA and a sort of 'forbidden love' type of situation, but I never thought about sharing it...
You have seen the library here, right? The place meant for sharing such stories? Just saying

Seriously, there will be lots of people who will want to read it. Only post it if you feel comfortable with sharing it, but don't worry about whether or not others will like it -- one thing I've seen through my involvement in the library is that if it appeals to the author, there will be other people to whom it appeals.
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Ok.. I have a question.. has anyone noticed that most stories about bbws/bhms are:

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2 go straight to the BBWs/BHMs having sex on a first date/meeting with the men/woman?

I have noticed this in most stories, regardless of whom they're about. I suspect they are written for people with very short attention spans.
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You have seen the library here, right? The place meant for sharing such stories? Just saying

Seriously, there will be lots of people who will want to read it. Only post it if you feel comfortable with sharing it, but don't worry about whether or not others will like it -- one thing I've seen through my involvement in the library is that if it appeals to the author, there will be other people to whom it appeals.
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oh jeez... I'll have to go proofread! I usually just write for myself, and then forget about it. I'm generally kinda reserved about stuff I write, but I've been trying to be more open. needless to say, I haven't really shared stories about the kind of thing People Like Us are into, except privately with some like-minded friends. But letting some of it see the light of day might not be so terrible!
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umm.. Cherryg.. did you post the story yet? I want to read it.. PLEASE!!!!!
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I have noticed this in most stories, regardless of whom they're about. I suspect they are written for people with very short attention spans.

I guess most people want to go through the story quickly. I am the type of reader that likes to get lost in the story. I like to think I am there in the action with them you know?

I just want a real story where there is a bbw/bhm as the main character that goes through ups and down. A fully develop storyline with fully developed characters.

(HINT to Cherryg.... )
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While out for a walk at lunch, I saw the following on a restaurant's chalkboard: "Fresh fish from Greece!"

Ummm, there are no direct commercial flights from Greece to Ottawa. In fact you might struggle to find a trip that doesn't have at least two connections. I really doubt there are direct flights just to bring fish here. At that there is about ten hours in the air. Add in all the logistics of getting fish from when caught to land to airport, onto plane, switch planes, get it distributed to restaurants... And this was a moderately priced restaurant, so would not have been setting up anything special all on their own.

I think there is something fishy in their claim of "fresh"!
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While out for a walk at lunch, I saw the following on a restaurant's chalkboard: "Fresh fish from Greece!"

I think there is something fishy in their claim of "fresh"!
I think so too. That being said, I have overnighted things that were frozen. UPS,DHL, FedEx do overseas and they ship frozen things. You have to freeze the item and put it in a temperature and refrigerants. (ie: coolant gels, dry ice- if properly packed to prevent leakage of liquid(s), etc.) So it can be "fresh" if your meaning of fresh is frozen 3 to 5 days prior.
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While out for a walk at lunch, I saw the following on a restaurant's chalkboard: "Fresh fish from Greece!"

Ummm, there are no direct commercial flights from Greece to Ottawa. In fact you might struggle to find a trip that doesn't have at least two connections. I really doubt there are direct flights just to bring fish here. At that there is about ten hours in the air. Add in all the logistics of getting fish from when caught to land to airport, onto plane, switch planes, get it distributed to restaurants... And this was a moderately priced restaurant, so would not have been setting up anything special all on their own.

I think there is something fishy in their claim of "fresh"!
Hmmm... sort of like fresh vegetables from California and Mexico, eh what, Tad?

But, seriously, Ottawa has direct flights, daily, to London-Heathrow and Frankfurt, and there are many direct flights from Athens and even Thessaloniki to London and Frankfurt. Plus, Toronto is only an hour away by air, and it has direct flights to Athen; then there's Montreal-Dorval, which has lots of one-change service to Athens, and is less than two hours drive away.

Whereas those 'fresh Washington state cherries' spent at least four days on a truck, let alone the 'fresh Mexican tomatos' which were a week in transit....
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While out for a walk at lunch, I saw the following on a restaurant's chalkboard: "Fresh fish from Greece!"

Ummm, there are no direct commercial flights from Greece to Ottawa.
Greece, New York is only 4 hours from Ottawa!
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This video tackles a pet peeve of mine.

http://www.dorkly.com/post/75642/thi...es-think-again

It's cool right now to rag on how CGI has ruined movies and how things were so much better when practical effects dominated, but most people don't know when they're looking at either.
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While perusing social media earlier, I noticed someone posted a link with the tagline: "She rubs her hands on a spoon under water. The reason why, I wish I had known sooner."

It wasn't from Clickhole. Or any other satirical site. After googling the matter, the chemistry behind it was actually interesting (it supposedly gets onion/garlic scent off the hands) but it got me thinking about the state of the internet. How there's so much content out there - often some of the most popular - that has absolutely no value beyond shallow entertainment. And with all our electronics, we're essentially training our brains to expect frequent exposure to various, extremely stimulating things. At least with TV, as mind-dulling as reality television is, you have to sit there and hopefully get sick of being bombarded with commercials. Smartphones and computers just offer rapid-fire, instant gratification all the time. And I wonder, over the long term, if this is going to have some sort of over-arching negative impact.
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I think it already has. Specially in corporate america. An example.. I work for an accounting firm. . We have clients that provide sometimes 50 k1s and 1099s and about 6 w2s..in the morning and expect a completed return by noon...unrealistic..

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While perusing social media earlier, I noticed someone posted a link with the tagline: "She rubs her hands on a spoon under water. The reason why, I wish I had known sooner."

It wasn't from Clickhole. Or any other satirical site. After googling the matter, the chemistry behind it was actually interesting (it supposedly gets onion/garlic scent off the hands) but it got me thinking about the state of the internet. How there's so much content out there - often some of the most popular - that has absolutely no value beyond shallow entertainment. And with all our electronics, we're essentially training our brains to expect frequent exposure to various, extremely stimulating things. At least with TV, as mind-dulling as reality television is, you have to sit there and hopefully get sick of being bombarded with commercials. Smartphones and computers just offer rapid-fire, instant gratification all the time. And I wonder, over the long term, if this is going to have some sort of over-arching negative impact.
Whenever I ponder this same question, my mind immediately takes the education route with it. On one hand, I suppose the demand-for-entertainment factor could be a bit of a plus -- forcing teachers etc. to up their game, think of ways to break up some of the monotony inherent in learning and help make allll the infos stick a little better.

But mostly, I can't help thinking of the downsides too. Attention span for one, as you've said. And just... the loss of a sense of perseverance? I'm pretty sure I'd be surprised to realise how much I've been affected by these things personally.
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While perusing social media earlier, I noticed someone posted a link with the tagline: "She rubs her hands on a spoon under water. The reason why, I wish I had known sooner."

It wasn't from Clickhole. Or any other satirical site. After googling the matter, the chemistry behind it was actually interesting (it supposedly gets onion/garlic scent off the hands) but it got me thinking about the state of the internet. How there's so much content out there - often some of the most popular - that has absolutely no value beyond shallow entertainment. And with all our electronics, we're essentially training our brains to expect frequent exposure to various, extremely stimulating things. At least with TV, as mind-dulling as reality television is, you have to sit there and hopefully get sick of being bombarded with commercials. Smartphones and computers just offer rapid-fire, instant gratification all the time. And I wonder, over the long term, if this is going to have some sort of over-arching negative impact.
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While perusing social media earlier, I noticed someone posted a link with the tagline: "She rubs her hands on a spoon under water. The reason why, I wish I had known sooner."

It wasn't from Clickhole. Or any other satirical site. After googling the matter, the chemistry behind it was actually interesting (it supposedly gets onion/garlic scent off the hands) but it got me thinking about the state of the internet. How there's so much content out there - often some of the most popular - that has absolutely no value beyond shallow entertainment. And with all our electronics, we're essentially training our brains to expect frequent exposure to various, extremely stimulating things. At least with TV, as mind-dulling as reality television is, you have to sit there and hopefully get sick of being bombarded with commercials. Smartphones and computers just offer rapid-fire, instant gratification all the time. And I wonder, over the long term, if this is going to have some sort of over-arching negative impact.
There is certainly that side to it, I would however point out the effect on-demand internet based content has had on TV shows. Previously most TV episodes had to be able to stand alone. That meant easily accessible characters who needed no background and story lines that could be enjoyed in isolation for the majority of shows. Since in many cases, especially web-based shows, people are able to watch a series without missing episodes (and indeed they are expected to be watched in order and fairly closely together) they are becoming serialized films, and moreover a single season is really a serialized film trilogy worth of content.

Also I believe that the internet is responsible for the return of the small artist. Mass production made books, films, music etc accessible cheaply as long as you took what was determined to be worthy of mass production. Before the printing press Carl the village storyteller was your source for stories. After the printing press "Fuck off Carl, I'm reading Tom Clancy." Similar though not the same for live music once recorded became more available, some media weather mass production better than others because there is still something that attracts to the older forms. However, with the internet the small artist has found a new better fitting venue, from the only option in an isolated small area because of availability to a niche specialist able to reach as large or small an audience as their particular idiom allows.

Essentially what I would say is people are more capable now of following their inclinations, good or bad. Including content that is short, flashy and mindless and some that is not. Now is the short attention span always bad? Maybe not, a lot of IT genius types complained that conventional education was too drawn out and boring to keep them interested.

TL;DR? Here is a cat video.
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This video tackles a pet peeve of mine.

http://www.dorkly.com/post/75642/thi...es-think-again

It's cool right now to rag on how CGI has ruined movies and how things were so much better when practical effects dominated, but most people don't know when they're looking at either.
Of course practical effects are always better!

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...it got me thinking about the state of the internet. How there's so much content out there - often some of the most popular - that has absolutely no value beyond shallow entertainment. And with all our electronics, we're essentially training our brains to expect frequent exposure to various, extremely stimulating things. At least with TV, as mind-dulling as reality television is, you have to sit there and hopefully get sick of being bombarded with commercials. Smartphones and computers just offer rapid-fire, instant gratification all the time. And I wonder, over the long term, if this is going to have some sort of over-arching negative impact.
There are certainly some positives to having so much information, entertainment, and social media at one's fingertips, but I agree that there are negatives, too. One that I've noticed in particular is the loss of interest (or opportunity perhaps) in connecting physically with nature and the outdoors, especially among children. I've taught summer camp the past few years and taken elementary-aged children to a nature center/bayou tour, a boat trip on a nearby river, outdoor playgrounds and spray parks, and hiking in a national forest. Some of the children are quite interested and seem to enjoy it, but many can't seem to go two minutes without complaining how hot and tired they are, that there are bugs, that they'd rather be indoors with an electronic device, etc. And this is in Texas, where there is probably a greater emphasis on sports and outdoor activities than many other places. It seems like some of them would rather watch an animal video on Youtube than see one in person if doing so involves any sort of effort or inconvenience (which relates to to the notions of perseverance and instant gratification mentioned by you and ODFFA). I think a lot of kids (and adults) are really missing out on something important by isolating themselves physically from the world around them.

tankyguy: interesting lecture; I had no idea reading comprehension had declined so much, even as far back as the '60's. I wonder if reading forum posts counts as mentally nutritious?
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I am absolutely positive that young people today do FAR more reading and writing than when I was in that age group. The reading may be in a video game, the writing may be in text messages, but a lot of kids used to do very little of either outside of school, and now they do.

I don't see any way which that makes them less literate. Maybe the style of their writing and reading is different than what was possessed by people who did read and write in the era of cursive writing and typewriters, but that is a matter of style, not capability (heck, I struggle with getting information into the short format of text messages, maybe I'm less literate than kids who communicate fluently in that format?)
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I don't see any way which that makes them less literate. Maybe the style of their writing and reading is different than what was possessed by people who did read and write in the era of cursive writing and typewriters, but that is a matter of style, not capability (heck, I struggle with getting information into the short format of text messages, maybe I'm less literate than kids who communicate fluently in that format?)
I agree, not sure sentence length has as much to do with reading level as style.

Either way, this news report indicates changes that should increase reading levels.

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Times Roman Font Announces Shortage of Periods

by Steve Martin



Representatives of the popular Times Roman font recently announced a shortage of periods and have offered substitutes - such as inverted commas, exclamation marks, and semicolons - until the crisis is overcome by people such as yourself, who through creative management of surplus punctuation can perhaps allay the constant demand for periods, whose heavy usage in the last ten years (not only in English but in virtually every language in the world) is creating a burden on writers everywhere, thus generating a litany of comments, among them: "What the hell am I supposed to do without my periods? How am I going to write? Isn't this a terrible disaster? Are they crazy? Won't this just lead to misuse of other, less interesting punctuation???"

"Most vulnerable are writers who work in short, choppy sentences," said a spokesperson for Times Roman, who continued, "We are trying to remedy the situation and have suggested alternatives, like umlauts, since we have plenty of umlauts - and, in fact, have more umlauts than we could possible use in a lifetime! Don't forget, umlauts can really spice up a page with their delicate symmetry - resting often midway in a word, letters spilling on either side - and not only indicate the pronunciation of a word but also contribute to a writer's greater glory because they're fancy, not to mention that they even look like periods, indeed, are indistinguishable from periods, and will lead casual readers to believe that the article actually contains periods!"

Bobby Brainard, a writer living in an isolated cabin in Montana - who is, in fact, the only writer living in an isolated cabin in Montana who is not insane - is facing a dilemma typical of writers across the nation: "I have a sentence that has just got to be stopped; it is currently sixteen pages long and is edging out the front door and is now so lumbering I'm starting to worry that one period alone won't be enough - that I'll need at least two to finally kill it off - and if that doesn't work, I've ordered an elephant gun from Jessie's, and if I don't get some periods fast I'm going to have to use it..." The magazine International Hebrew has offered this emergency statement: "We currently have an oversupply of backwards periods and will be happy to send some to Mister Brainard or anyone else facing a crisis!" .period backwards the in slip you while moment a for way other the look to sentence the getting is trick only The

The general concern of writers is summed up by this brief telegram:

Period shortage mustn't continue stop

Stop-stoppage must come to a full stop stop

We must resolve it and stop the stoppage stop

Yours truly,

Tom Stoppard

Needless to say, there has been an increasing pressure on the ellipsis...

"I assure to you," said the spokesperson, "I assure you the ellipsis is not - repeat, is not - just three periods strung together, and, although certain writers have plundered the ellipsis for its dots, such dots are deeply inelegant and ineffective when used to stop a sentence! An ellipsis point is too weak to stop a modern sentence, which would require at least two ellipsis points, leaving the third dot to stand alone pointlessly - and, indeed, two periods at the end of a sentence would look like a typo, comprende? And why is Times Roman so important? Why can't writers employ some of our other, lesser-used fonts, such as Goofy Deluxe, Namby Pamby Extra Narrow, or Gone Fishin'?"

In fact, there is movement toward alternate puncuation; consider the New Punctuation and Suicide Cult in Southern Texas, whose credo is "Why not try some new and different kinds of punctuation and then kill ourselves?" Notice how these knotty epigrams from Shakespeare are easily unravelled:

Every cloud engenders not a storm

Horatio, I am dead

Remembering the Albertus Extra Bold asterisk embargo of several years back, one hopes the crisis is solved quickly, because a life of exclamation marks, no matter how superficially exciting, is no life at all! There are, of course, many other fonts one could use if the crisis continues, but frankly, which would you rather be faced with - Namby Pamby Extra Narrow or the bosomy sexuality of Times Roman? The shortage itself may be a useful one, provided it's over quickly, for it has made at least this author appreciate and value his one spare period, and it is with great respect that I use it now.
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I am absolutely positive that young people today do FAR more reading and writing than when I was in that age group. The reading may be in a video game, the writing may be in text messages, but a lot of kids used to do very little of either outside of school, and now they do.

I don't see any way which that makes them less literate. Maybe the style of their writing and reading is different than what was possessed by people who did read and write in the era of cursive writing and typewriters, but that is a matter of style, not capability (heck, I struggle with getting information into the short format of text messages, maybe I'm less literate than kids who communicate fluently in that format?)
Not sure about that. I know language changes and it has to "update" but seriously, t.h.o.t. and bae.. give me a break is it really that difficult to add another b to bae and make the word correct?. I get why you need to shorten some words.. but when it is used as common language where kids think it is correct and not a shortened or compounded.. then there is a problem.

Where are the vocabulary lessons.. where you had to write the word 50 tines and write it's meaning 50 tines so that you fully understood what the word means and how it is used? Kids these days have no idea the meaning of words. They use them but don't really grasp their full meaning. I think we need to go back to the old way of teaching. It seemed that kids were further ahead in studies when we had music.. art.. history...vocabulary.. etc.. JMO

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You may be interested in this TEDx talk.
Oh, I really dislike this talk. He is selling a point of view, make analogies with shallow supporting evidence the uses those to support other arguments, throws up correlation and implies causation, and a whole host of other tricks.

When someone is so heavily selling me something, I pretty much automatically discount everything they say because I assume Im not smart enough to catch all of their tricks.

I put up with ten minutes of him and had to stop, because I was just getting too infuriated. I hate propaganda disguised as education!

Remember, just because you heard it on the internet, doesn't make it so

I'm not saying that his individual facts are wrong, or that I'd disagree with everything he says, but overall there is an awful lot of judging people by values of the past, and finding them wanting. Sorry, I don't know how to milk a cow by hand, I've never even tried to memorize epic poetry, and don't have a clue of how to properly nap a flint to make a blade, but I don't actually think those are failings.

There may be failings in the modern intellectual approach, but I don't think you can accurately diagnose them by applying college entrance standards of the 1940s.
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