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Old 08-14-2014, 01:27 AM   #1
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has anybody been keeping up with the story? I know that it has caused protest and in a few cases looting in that area. and even a few hackers want to release the name of the officer that shot the guy.

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Chauncey DeVega's take is spot on:

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From the American lynching tree of the 19th and early 20th centuries, to the police harassment and racial profiling of the present, white racial logic deems black humanity to be a type of perpetual threat and poison in the white body politic. The black body must be controlled and terrorized in order to create a sense of safety (and community) for the white public.

Consequently, white racial paranoia twists the murder of two unarmed black people by the police into “justifiable” acts, where the victims of gross and unjust violence are somehow made responsible for their own deaths.


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How the police are responding is horrific. It's truly terrifying.
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The way the mainstream media ISN'T reporting on this is terrifying. The police response is literally a military occupation, and they're firing nonlethals at unarmed and peaceful demonstrators.

I'm so fucking jaded at this point that I know the officer involved is only going to get paid administrative leave and an acquittal.
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I'm just curious why people decided to steal other people's shit and set things on fire when this happens. I find it totally gross and serves no purpose at all other than to make them look like trash.
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I don't live too far away from Ferguson. All that is on the local news is nothing but the Ferguson protests. I avoid that area like its a war zone.
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I'm just curious why people decided to steal other people's shit and set things on fire when this happens. I find it totally gross and serves no purpose at all other than to make them look like trash.
You're more curious as to why people destroy things when they're angry than upset over the murder of a teenager.

Think about that for a minute.
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You're more curious as to why people destroy things when they're angry than upset over the murder of a teenager.

Think about that for a minute.
She didnt say that. She just said she was curious as to why people riot. Back the fuck up.
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Again. You're not supposed to talk to me, ever. Why can't you handle that?


Think about THAT for a minute.


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His point still stands. The police are terrorising the town and you wonder why some people are acting out? The majority of people are behaving peacefully, but some are angry or scared enough to do more. Some are taking advantage of the chaos.

It'd be such a better terror campaign if it wasn't made "gross" by those dang looters. Let the police make their unlawful arrests and bring in military grade weaponry without the hassle of upsetting the populace!
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It was a thought. It doesn't encompass all my thoughts.
I'm sure there are a million questions you can ask about this topic, this is mine right now.

Take it down a notch. You're not the end all and be all of what can be discussed here. Worry about your own business.

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His point still stands. The police are terrorising the town and you wonder why some people are acting out? The majority of people are behaving peacefully, but some are angry or scared enough to do more. Some are taking advantage of the chaos.

It'd be such a better terror campaign if it wasn't made "gross" by those dang looters. Let the police make their unlawful arrests and bring in military grade weaponry without the hassle of upsetting the populace!
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With regards to current events, if you're not angry or horrified, you're probably white, vote Republican, believe in God, and somehow are a-ok with police (and armed white people) killing black people with little or no real justification. These police think they're God, and judging by the Old Testament's portrayal of God as an all-powerful, vengeful, and capricious mass-murderer I'd say they're doing a damn good job. My 50+ year old male co-workers joked about the situation as "open season [on black people]", one bemoaned black people trying to "start a race war" (as if white folk haven't been waging and dominating it since day one) and I just saw a Confederate flag background on my co-worker's iPhone this morning and I'm just fucking ashamed to be American and ashamed of "the white race." I don't stand with my "fellow" white Americans who watch Fox News and love their gods and guns, because time after time they show that they are cruel, heartless, and oftentimes downright evil in their thoughts and actions. Obama's old pastor was right to beg, "God damn America!" We are not a world leader. We are not a first-world country. We have no reason to be proud of our country or government. Our freedoms mean nothing if they don't belong to everyone and aren't protected. And who the fuck are the police protecting? Who, god damnit? The police will not be untouchable. The police swore a god damn oath, and breaking that oath should carry incredibly harsh penalties and permanent loss of any job of any power or authority.
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It was a thought. It doesn't encompass all my thoughts.
I'm sure there are a million questions you can ask about this topic, this is mine right now.

Take it down a notch. You're not the end all and be all of what can be discussed here. Worry about your own business.

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If you post it publicly, it's everyone's business. I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as you, and it's not your place to moderate me or anyone else. There's also nothing to "take down", so please, focus on yourself first.

If the actions of the police in Ferguson don't disgust you, then I guess you're not paying attention.
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And it's not your place to moderate me or tell me what I should focus on in a thread/forum. I can ask any question I want. It doesn't mean I don't care or worry about what's happening. You don't know me.

I would suggest you not talk to me at all. How's that?


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If the actions of the police in Ferguson don't disgust you, then I guess you're not paying attention.
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Is it really all that difficult for some to hold two opposing thoughts in their head at the same time?
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Apparently not. It was a comment on something going on there.
I'm supposed to be shocked and outraged about the police? In the US?
That's a given as far as i'm concerned.

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Hey Surly, I can't imagine why white cops would want to do these kinds of things to black people. Can't you keep your people in line?
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What are you talking about? You don't know me. Haha.
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It's funny, i'm Canadian. I'm horrified automatically by so many things about the US that I guess I assume people would know that about me. Or at least take the time to find out about me before they judge one comment I make. Did I say anything bad about black people? No.

I'm talking about something horrid that comes out of something horrid. I'm not judge or jury on what happened because I don't know all the facts, I wasn't there and I don't believe the US media machine very much.. I made a comment and observation on a forum where we're encouraged to do so. If you don't like it, feel free to block me, I could care less.

Why is asking about looting and the ramifications of rioting not ok to talk about? Am I not being fuzzy enough and sad enough about this in your mind? Aww. I need to justify everything to you people? I'm still trying to process Trayvon Martin and the fear it puts in me for my young black cousins that live in Florida. I worry about my black sister too because she travels all over the world for her job. I guess you didn't know that about me because you know NOTHING about me other than one comment I made. I have black family. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I drive a blue car.

Piss off.
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This. The endorsement of the idea that the looters represent the protesters.

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I know people who claim that combo of titles and they can be summed up as "I'm for the legalization of weed and maybe gay marriage but poor people sure are being uppity about being poor."
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I've been reading about the "riots," and if there is a riot it is the police doing the rioting. This is the logical end result of giving police sweeping powers, military surplus equipment, and topped off by a "war on..." mentality. War on drugs, war on terror, war on whatever, becomes "war on the citizens."

The people who founded this nation must be spinning in their graves.
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Surlysomething: Chill.

Everyone else: Chill.

By which I simply mean: Back off slinging mud at each other. By all means, discuss the events in and around Ferguson. But please do so without jumping on each other.
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I wonder where all of those right wing America loving "Patriots" that defended that racist rancher in Nevada are now.
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