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Old 02-13-2015, 11:33 PM   #26
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To be specific I agreed with Bigmac's statement here:
'Porn addiction is a symptom of a messed up sex life -- not a cause. Enjoying the occasional erotic image is not going to undermine the quality of anyone's sex life.'

I think you should look at a bigger variety of porn before you judge it all as degrading. I find that sites with free porn tend to generally have more porn that is degrading. But really I've looked up women's porn and that isn't really any better when it comes to objectifying. Then there's that fact that porn for women only has muscular men or thin men.

I don't think prostitution goes with porn. Nearly every man I know personally looks at porn but only a few have been to prostitutes. My dad went to prostitutes but that was because he was sexually desperate rather than preferring them. But I do know of a fair few men that go to strip clubs. But I don't see how strippers are the same as prostitutes either. I've met them before and they seem like ordinary people.

it can't be a product of a messed up sex life when

a) people are developing porn addictions before they have a sex life at all

b)men report having had great sex lives before


actually I have seen a lot of porn so don't make assumptions. just because I refuse to make statements about one site that I disagree with for political reasons that I refuse to look at or even talk about anymore it doesn't mean I haven't seen any. btw you never answered about your impression. what do you think ?

and do you think that because there isn't actual penetration sex to be seen but a man can still masturbate to something that it is somehow not actually porn?

as far as women's porn goes it doesn't debase men in the same ways even when it's rough or objectifying and there are studies that prove it by actually counting the average instances of abusive behavior in both. body types isn't the issue i'm talking about. it's abuse that is of issue and how it matches with and reinforces the overall place of women in society. and since men aren't oppressed on that level there isn't an oppression cycle being reinforced in porn made by women.

again I respect that you have an opinion but you aren't all knowing. you don't know all men you don't know all situations. and to think someone would even tell you personally the truth face to face about what is going on with them sexually is really naοve. unless you are actually in the room with them while they are having sex you don't know and even then you get a special show.

the kind of stuff you say makes me wonder how many other guys have such a truly unrealistic idea about what is going on around them and how many more have sex lives that are suffering because they either believe these notions or are pressured by other men with all of these unscientific unreliable notions about other men's bodies when they are hetero and haven't ever even slept with a man or been the object of the male gaze at all that fly in the face of all addiction science. why is it that some men want other men to believe there is just something innately wrong with them and or their significant when they are suffering from something that could be fixed so simply. maybe they like it when other men, especially young healthy ones, have ED because they are no longer sexual competition ?

btw you are believing a guy who said there isn't such a thing as sex trafficking and actually believes women are prostitutes because they like it and that pimps are prostitutes boyfriends and such other weirdness. that should tell you just about how much credence people should give him when making important decisions about their own sexual pleasure and what is sexually healthy.

is this the kind of man you really want to be ? ridiculing men with sexual issues instead of supporting the science that actually gets them results ?
do you really want to be the sexual tea party ?
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:45 PM   #27
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"...just because I refuse to make statements about one site that I disagree with for political reasons that I refuse to look at or even talk about anymore..."
Any particular reason for this? Or is that also under the umbrella of what shan't be discussed further?

What precisely is it that makes it women's or men's porn, definitively-speaking? Like, who's primarily consuming it? Producing it? The intended audience? How can we fairly label it as either, as such.

How do we measure such things...without our reasoning going in one giant circle?
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:20 AM   #28
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Any particular reason for this? Or is that also under the umbrella of what shan't be discussed further?

What precisely is it that makes it women's or men's porn, definitively-speaking? Like, who's primarily consuming it? Producing it? The intended audience? How can we fairly label it as either, as such.

How do we measure such things...without our reasoning going in one giant circle?
it's a personal choice that I won't explain. not my circus. not my monkey.

actually I think the issue is side tracked by men or women's porn. maybe we should say porn that is conscious and asks everyone involved including men to be conscious.

woman friendly porn tends to be porn that actually takes a woman's physical needs into account, which would actually help men to know what works for their partners and would end up in a better sexual experience for everybody.

quick wank porn is not very good for doing that. but it follows that guys who actually don't care if women have sexual pleasure or not would have no need of that anyway.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:23 AM   #29
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Sorry but feminist porn is just not going to sell.
so someone has to hate and fear women in order to like porn ? and anything not trading on that fear and hatred has to be feminist ?
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I have no idea what feminist porn would be, but the hottest porn is the kind where the woman actually looks like she's enjoying herself...Whatever that's called it's hot and puts me at attention...
I think most people find that sexy. I know I do. I can definitely tell when someone is actually into it.
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so someone has to hate and fear women in order to like porn ? and anything not trading on that fear and hatred has to be feminist ?
What the hell are you talking about? Who said anything about hate or fear?
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What the hell are you talking about? Who said anything about hate or fear?

I did in the post you were responding to
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"it's a personal choice that I won't explain."
Okay, but: Along the lines of this slippery-slope/equivalency of men who look at porn, have been to strip clubs, etc...with human-traffickers; doesn't it also somehow oblige us to consider the juxtaposition/contrast between web-models/woman who help to produce pornographic images or content versus those essentially kidnapped/sold into prostitution in third world countries? Like, does an adult living in the US/UK/Germany, Commonwealth, etc... have the same lack of moral agency that you would ascribe to a someone in a country like Bangladesh or Thailand? Should we judge such a person, morally, as the men who choose to consume that particular product?

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I would agree. Also as this helps to better take into account the alienating and dissociative aspects inherent in how the pornographic approach creeps into areas beyond just sexuality, e.g nature-porn, DIY-porn, Travel-porn, Food-porn, etc... As we talked about before, calls to mind Socrates' admonishment to kill all the poets/playwrights for how they encourage a vicarious kind of living.

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"...woman friendly porn tends to be porn that actually takes a woman's physical needs into account, which would actually help men to know what works for their partners and would end up in a better sexual experience for everybody."
Are we just talking about sex-here? Because, I feel like, sex, its basic functionality, is often tied into other things, certain contingencies.

Like, would you consider romantic comedies (i.e. a Katherine Heigl movie...) a form of women's porn? Because, in that case, I don't think it really cares too, too much what does-it for men. Although, maybe it cares just enough... Maybe that is the whole point.
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Actually it appears its you who doesn't like women -- at least the ones who choose sex work.
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As for alleged sex trafficking -- its defined so broadly by parties with vested interests (i.e. their funding is dependant upon high numbers) that the statistics are meaningless.

The vast vast majority of sex workers are not trafficked. They, of their own volition, choose sex work (often as their least bad option). Sex workers need better options not rescuing by misguided do-gooders.
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Actually it appears its you who doesn't like women -- at least the ones who choose sex work.
I'm not the one saying the only enjoyable porn for men is the degrading kind

i never said anything about disliking women who did sex work. i would like for them to be happy healthy and protected.

but besides all of that men need to look out for what is really making them personally happy rather than what someone packages as a happy faηade to make a profit. to that end studies about what is really happening in their own words rather than porn industry spin seems much more reliable.
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As for alleged sex trafficking -- its defined so broadly by parties with vested interests (i.e. their funding is dependant upon high numbers) that the statistics are meaningless.

The vast vast majority of sex workers are not trafficked. They, of their own volition, choose sex work (often as their least bad option). Sex workers need better options not rescuing by misguided do-gooders.

anyone remotely involved is well aware that these are not willing participants. they are vulnerable people who are in desperate situations that are coerced and taken advantage of by traffickers. rescuing is giving them better options. you really think it's meaningless to rescue people ?


you need to watch this. you have a very odd idea about what is really happening out there:

A Path Appears: http://video.pbs.org/video/2365387809/

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365387809/
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Human trafficking generates $9.5 billion yearly in the United States. (United Nations)
Approximately 300,000 children are at risk of being prostituted in the United States. (U.S. Department of Justice)
The average age of entry into prostitution for a child victim in the United States is 13-14 years old. (U.S. Department of Justice)
A pimp can make $150,000-$200,000 per child each year and the average pimp has 4 to 6 girls.(U.S. Justice Department, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)
The average victim may be forced to have sex up to 20-48times a day. (Polaris Project)
Fewer than 100 beds are available in the United States for underage victims. (Health and Human Services)
Department Of Justice has identified the top twenty human trafficking jurisdictions in the country:” Houston
• El Paso
• Los Angeles
• Atlanta
• Chicago
• Charlotte
• Miami
• Las Vegas
• New York
• Long Island
• New Orleans
• Washington, D.C.
• Philadelphia
• Phoenix
• Richmond
• San Diego• San Francisco
• St Louis
• Seattle
• Tampa (Department of Justice)
One in three teens on the street will be lured toward prostitution within 48 hours of leaving home. (National Runaway Hotline)
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trafficking isn't the only reason people need to really think about what is going on. they need to think about it also based on what it is doing to their experiences alone. for a lot of people that is a good enough reason to at least look at it.
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Okay, but: Along the lines of this slippery-slope/equivalency of men who look at porn, have been to strip clubs, etc...with human-traffickers; doesn't it also somehow oblige us to consider the juxtaposition/contrast between web-models/woman who help to produce pornographic images or content versus those essentially kidnapped/sold into prostitution in third world countries? Like, does an adult living in the US/UK/Germany, Commonwealth, etc... have the same lack of moral agency that you would ascribe to a someone in a country like Bangladesh or Thailand? Should we judge such a person, morally, as the men who choose to consume that particular product?

he asked me about a specific group of people and i am not going to air any of their laundry dirty or clean on here for entertainment. now if you want to discuss general ideas -- fine.

also i am not going to fall to judging people who consume porn in always that are detrimental to other people because in a way they are victims too. it's time for them to realize that. first thing to think about when making a rational decision about yourself is whether it actually serves you as much as some may claim.

I would agree. Also as this helps to better take into account the alienating and dissociative aspects inherent in how the pornographic approach creeps into areas beyond just sexuality, e.g nature-porn, DIY-porn, Travel-porn, Food-porn, etc... As we talked about before, calls to mind Socrates' admonishment to kill all the poets/playwrights for how they encourage a vicarious kind of living.

Are we just talking about sex-here? Because, I feel like, sex, its basic functionality, is often tied into other things, certain contingencies.

Like, would you consider romantic comedies (i.e. a Katherine Heigl movie...) a form of women's porn? Because, in that case, I don't think it really cares too, too much what does-it for men. Although, maybe it cares just enough... Maybe that is the whole point.

whether men enjoy it or not a romantic comedy doesn't bring out and support general societal hate for men and in a weird dysfunctional way try to justify their mistreatment and institutional barriers.
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As for alleged sex trafficking -- its defined so broadly by parties with vested interests (i.e. their funding is dependant upon high numbers) that the statistics are meaningless.

The vast vast majority of sex workers are not trafficked. They, of their own volition, choose sex work (often as their least bad option). Sex workers need better options not rescuing by misguided do-gooders.
the majority of americans in this country who are sex trafficked here start between 13-14. 3/4th of them are approached by sex traffickers and started into prostitution within a few hours of leaving home. and when they are lied to and then later forced into having sex with 20 to 30 johns a night to have a roof and food to eat or to get the hard drugs they purposefully addict them to. on top of that they are beaten if they don't. you really think it's some kind of a choice?

maybe we should actually take this discussion elsewhere since the focus should really be on whether porn actually interferes with a someone' s sex life.
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Yeah, I meant more in a general sense. Like you said before (on moderating), if you can keep individual people out of it, then it probably works better.

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"...in a way they are victims too. it's time for them to realize that. first thing to think about when making a rational decision about yourself is whether it actually serves you as much as some may claim."
It would be tough to get anyone to see how they're a victim of something as long as they (still) feel like they're in control of their own behavior. And continuing to choose to indulge or otherwise engage with the thing you say is taking advantage of them.

Typically,a person can get to where they lose pretty-much everything to something, except just their own life, before they can really dial-into the idea of it actually being powerful enough that it can effectively control them. And, even then it's no real guarantee that they'll just all-of-a-sudden decide they can now go without.

So, maybe it's still worth it to put at least some of that focus on the supply-side. Relating to people about the ethics of what it is they're producing, how they make a dollar.

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Ah...I dunno, there are some pretty bad romantic comedies out there.
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Yeah, I meant more in a general sense. Like you said before (on moderating), if you can keep individual people out of it, then it probably works better.

It would be tough to get anyone to see how they're a victim of something as long as they (still) feel like they're in control of their own behavior. And continuing to choose to indulge or otherwise engage with the thing you say is taking advantage of them.

Typically,a person can get to where they lose pretty-much everything to something, except just their own life, before they can really dial-into the idea of it actually being powerful enough that it can effectively control them. And, even then it's no real guarantee that they'll just all-of-a-sudden decide they can now go without.

So, maybe it's still worth it to put at least some of that focus on the supply-side. Relating to people about the ethics of what it is they're producing, how they make a dollar.

Ah...I dunno, there are some pretty bad romantic comedies out there.
in sweden and other scandinavian countries they seem to have a good system. they've legalized prostitution but kept procuring a prostitute illegal. they have found prostitution and prostitution related crime and violence has been highly reduced so much so that it has become a model for the world. though we haven't decriminalized prostitution, procuring, which was virtually decriminalized because of lack of law enforcement focus and punishment, has become a target. once they are caught they have to watch and be tested on videos about sex trafficking. sometimes there are classes instead of punishment as a strategy. these videos and classes take away a lot of the plausible deniability that had been allowed to exist that young often previously inactive teens somehow actually like sleeping with hundreds of often much older strange men every week.

other countries like holland have decriminalized prostitution and the johns. it has not been functioning well. there is violence, large amounts of trafficking and disease. the demand creates more trafficking. russian gangs have moved in. unlike in the past most dutch girls, contrary to what a lot of americans believe since holland is fairly conservative and being a prostitute does carry a stigma, are not going to work in the redlight district. so it's full of girls who have been illegally trafficked from other countries. they also have a lot of stds because a trafficker is not going to take an illegal to see the doctor and he also doesn't care to incur the cost. same here in the US.

the tolerance seems to have caused other things to escalate as well. one of my good friends is a dutch social worker and he took me to a park in amsterdam where men were out purchasing young immigrant romanian children for sex. it was crowded and open. the police never showed up even after several of us called.

the issue really needs to be focused more on people who purchase. no demand, no prostitution. we have done the supply side thing before. it doesn't work for the economy and it hasn't worked for the sex trade either. sex trafficking has grown tremendously in the US as a result. attitude's like Bigmacs, that it is somehow a victimless crime, has made it very lucrative for traffickers who moved from selling drugs to prostitution because there is/was little to no punishment for them. they brainwash and threaten young girls they've held captive often for many years to protect them. stockholm syndrome is very common in that situation. to give you an idea of the criminal draw, it's bigger financially than all professional sports combined. americans are also at the top of the list of people who patronize sexual tourism opportunities abroad which is often even more brutal and the victims are even younger.

it's very true that people can use porn without ever going to prostitutes. but it's also true that there is hardly anyone frequenting victims of human trafficking who haven't done porn. sexual addiction which generally starts out as an addiction to porn drives people way outside their usual comfort zone into situations where it's very obvious that someone is being victimized. it can also take the real pleasure away by making sex just another drive you have to feed that controls you instead of a part of life that you can just really actually enjoy. or it can work itself out in a way that it's hard to enjoy anything at all anymore.

using porn doesn't make people bad. even being addicted to porn or sex doesn't make someone a bad person. i tend to think of it like alcohol. drinking some is fine. drinking too much hurts you and potentially your family or someone else on the road etc... if you happen to be driving. the thing is to manage things in your life so that they don't cause you or other people harm or ruin lives. so everybody has to step back and access every once in a while and see where things are actually taking them at a certain point. it shouldn't have to be a big fight to think about that either.
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People who are addicted to porn are the same ones hat are addicted to sex. Regardless of whether or not there was porn, they would still be addicted to sex. They are addicted to something they get out of the sex. They just use porn as a vehicle to get to the feeling or pleasure they are looking for.

I don't see anything wrong with porn. There is nothing wrong with the people who choose to do porn for a living. People need to understand that porn is a movie.. it has shots and cuts, it is not like them men are going there for that long. to get all those shots they might be there for 12 hours or more. waiting for a man who finished quickly to get another erection to get more shots and that can go on for hours. So it is not "real" they are actually having sex, but it is not straight forward sex.

There is a simple solution though, if you don't like porn don't watch it. If you feel like you are addicted to porn, then get some help to understand why you have that addiction.

As to the sex trafficking... it was done before porn was major.. and it will continue to happen if porn is no longer around. JMO
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Human trafficking generates $9.5 billion yearly in the United States. (United Nations)
Approximately 300,000 children are at risk of being prostituted in the United States. (U.S. Department of Justice)
The average age of entry into prostitution for a child victim in the United States is 13-14 years old. (U.S. Department of Justice)
A pimp can make $150,000-$200,000 per child each year and the average pimp has 4 to 6 girls.(U.S. Justice Department, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)
The average victim may be forced to have sex up to 20-48times a day. (Polaris Project)
Fewer than 100 beds are available in the United States for underage victims. (Health and Human Services)
Department Of Justice has identified the top twenty human trafficking jurisdictions in the country:” Houston
• El Paso
• Los Angeles
• Atlanta
• Chicago
• Charlotte
• Miami
• Las Vegas
• New York
• Long Island
• New Orleans
• Washington, D.C.
• Philadelphia
• Phoenix
• Richmond
• San Diego• San Francisco
• St Louis
• Seattle
• Tampa (Department of Justice)
One in three teens on the street will be lured toward prostitution within 48 hours of leaving home. (National Runaway Hotline)
Most of these numbers are total Bull Shit. These numbers include every voluntary immigrant who hires a coyote as a victim of human trafficking. Every teenager who runs away from a foster home is considered "at risk" of human trafficking. Every friend or relative that gives a sex worker a ride from one town to the next is considered a sex trafficker or pimp. The money involved in prostitution is grossly inflated.

The vast vast majority of prostitutes choose sex work of their own volition -- most often brought into the business by friends who are already sex workers (not by pimps at the Greyhound station). Street kids do indeed sell themselves but this is because their bodies are their only asset not because someone forced them.

I've been involve with the criminal justice system for over 10 years. My wife has been CPS in a large Southern California county for over 15. My daughter is CPS for a Bay Area county. I know what's going on. What I really love is how different press releases are from the actual police reports
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ok. trying to comment on the original concept about porn...not gonna get into the prostitute stuff, etc.

please also note, this is just my opinion/comment and not meant to incur wrath or be earth shattering wisdom...

porn serves it's purpose. i think used in moderation with and without your partner's participation it can be a useful way to fantasize/help distract you while you do your business. i like porn. my husband likes porn. we watch together or apart. not very often these days, but we have used it as a rev up to make a boring day a bit more fun.

i agree porn can be an addiction. it allows you to escape whatever problem you are having (inattentive partner, worldly worries, etc.). it is no different than people who bury themselves in video games or reality tv. any sort of escape can get out of hand if not limited.

if you notice that porn is getting in the way, talk to your partner. find out what attracts them (it is usually more than just the physical traits of the actors) to make them want to choose porn over physical intimacy. i would be willing to bet this leads to discussions beyond porn...something is making them choose porn over real life...ie they are feeling neglected, they are bored and want to try new things...or bigger issues such as drifting apart, etc.
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How did this go from Do you like porn? to Every person who watches porn is a sex-trafficker?

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How did this go from Do you like porn? to Every person who watches porn is a sex-trafficker?

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um we didn't. you did.
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