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Old 07-08-2015, 01:28 PM   #51
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This bit of conservative BS needs to be addressed. The TRUTH is that our President is actually very popular around the world.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-obama/371884/

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dat...ings-worldwide

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121991/wo...ost-obama.aspx
Yup. I believe she may have confused him with George W. Bush, who was vastly unpopular with the rest of the world. This was coupled with eight years of Republicans insisting that the rest of the world's approval of the president did not matter.
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Old 07-08-2015, 04:02 PM   #52
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I deal with people from all over the world thru work and the Arab people I come in contact with think he is a weakling full of words and no action.
Can't recall the exact word but it translates to pussy.
I deal with several Japanese clients and they laugh when his name comes up.
There is a Bulgarian horse breeder I deal with and he thinks BO is a complete joke.
These are people that are extremely wealthy too so they say what they want.
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I deal with people from all over the world thru work and the Arab people I come in contact with think he is a weakling full of words and no action.
Can't recall the exact word but it translates to pussy.
I deal with several Japanese clients and they laugh when his name comes up.
There is a Bulgarian horse breeder I deal with and he thinks BO is a complete joke.
These are people that are extremely wealthy too so they say what they want.
I don't think a couple of rich people are a very good indicator of what the majority think. They're called the 1% for more than one reason. :P
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Old 07-08-2015, 04:09 PM   #54
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Maybe so Alicia.
But the majority of those non 1%'ers don't live under Obama either.They have their own political leaders to deal with.
Going to another country and polling them on what they think of Obama isn't going to be a very accurate poll because a lot will not know who he is.
Just like polling on a college campus here in America because a lot of college kids couldn't tell you who their state senator is when asked much less point on a map and tell you where Washington DC is.
Sad but true.
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Carly Fiorina one of the worst CEOs of all time.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30502091/page/3

A consummate self-promoter, Fiorina was busy pontificating on the lecture circuit and posing for magazine covers while her company floundered. She paid herself handsome bonuses and perks while laying off thousands of employees to cut costs. The merger Fiorina orchestrated with Compaq in 2002 was widely seen as a failure. She was ousted in 2005.

THE STAT: HP stock lost half its value during Fiorina’s tenure.
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Carly Fiorina one of the worst CEOs of all time.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30502091/page/3

A consummate self-promoter, Fiorina was busy pontificating on the lecture circuit and posing for magazine covers while her company floundered. She paid herself handsome bonuses and perks while laying off thousands of employees to cut costs. The merger Fiorina orchestrated with Compaq in 2002 was widely seen as a failure. She was ousted in 2005.

THE STAT: HP stock lost half its value during Fiorina’s tenure.
She almost killed a Golden Goose
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Carly Fiorina one of the worst CEOs of all time.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30502091/page/3

A consummate self-promoter, Fiorina was busy pontificating on the lecture circuit and posing for magazine covers while her company floundered. She paid herself handsome bonuses and perks while laying off thousands of employees to cut costs. The merger Fiorina orchestrated with Compaq in 2002 was widely seen as a failure. She was ousted in 2005.

THE STAT: HP stock lost half its value during Fiorina’s tenure.
Let me guess, she's running as a Republican?

TBH I haven't paid much attention to the Republican candidates who aren't shoving their feet in their mouths (Trump, Cruz... I feel like there's more). I try to focus more on the positive of the candidates I'd actually consider voting for than the negative of the candidates I'd rather die than vote for
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Old 07-08-2015, 10:34 PM   #58
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[QUOTE=bigmac;2138724]This bit of conservative BS needs to be addressed. The TRUTH is that our President is actually very popular around the world.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/is-the-world-really-losing-faith-in-barack-obama/371884/
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/04/21/obama-administration-wins-high-approval-ratings-worldwide
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121991/world-citizens-views-leadership-pre-post-obama.aspx[/QUOTE]

What about your liberal BS? Your Gallup story is based on a poll from 2009. Today is 2015. The world's view of Barack Obama has changed.

Red lines that turn out to be not red lines. The Middle East is greater turmoil today than when he became president. The power of Russia and Putin seems to be growing; while the power of the United States under Obama is shrinking.

The Iranians are making Obama the fool. One missed deadline followed by another. Recall Obama claimed he would walk away if a deal was not made by June 30th.

Even former president Jimmy Carter recently admitted the US is less respected today than when Obama was sworn in as president.
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If the US government can be compared to a large corporation, then Barack would have to be the worst CEO of all time. A company going deeper into the red. A company than can't fulfill it's core missions. While it's competitors grow stronger.
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Obama has never run a company or if he has ever held a job in the private sector for that matter.
He is in way over his head and that is painfully obvious.
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He is in way over his head and that is painfully obvious.
Lets see. He took over a failing enterprise, turned it around, and oversaw a record long period of growth. Sounds like a pretty good CEO to me!
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Lets see. He took over a failing enterprise, turned it around, and oversaw a record long period of growth. Sounds like a pretty good CEO to me!

That would be true if you had low expectations. The fact remains the Stimulus Law was an expensive failure. It never stimulate the economy. In fact, the biggest boost the economy was lower energy costs. The result of fracking. (Something Barack Obama opposed.)

So with the exception of people drinking the Obama Kool-aid, most of the public sees the economy limping along. They don't see this growth that you claim.

Second, if the economy is so great as you claim; why isn't Hillary Clinton making that point the center piece of her campaign. She could say her administration would continue the Obama Administrations policies.

Instead she is hoping the public will forget she was ever associated with the Obama Administration.
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Lets see. He took over a failing enterprise, turned it around, and oversaw a record long period of growth. Sounds like a pretty good CEO to me!
Yeah... I'm so happy Obama 'wisely' wasted a trillion dollars of borrowed money to bail out the super wealthy bankers, insurance and hedge fund managers. It warms my heart seeing the rich get richer at working American's expense.

If Barry's stewardship over "... a failing enterprise ..." was so brilliant and successful, why are Democrat candidates not touting his successes and instead campaigning on helping the poor and working poor middle class?

If Barry is so damn smart why is American debt 102% greater than the nation's Gross Domestic Product?

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Presidential candidate and self-identified socialist Senator Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) expressed his concern over Americans who have dropped out of the labor force, saying “real unemployment is 10.5 percent,” at a presidential campaign rally in Portland, Maine, the Daily Caller reported.


“When you talk about the economy, we also have to have an honest assessment of unemployment in America,” said the senator. “Once a month the government publishes a set of figures, and the last figures they published said that official unemployment was 5.4 percent.”
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Sanders also focused his remarks on youth unemployment, citing unemployment rates for 17 to 20 year olds.
“But let me tell you something that is even more frightening and is an issue that we don’t talk about at all,” he said. “That is the tragedy in this country of youth unemployment.”
“And I don’t care if no one else talks about this issue, we will talk about this issue and here’s why,” Sanders continued. “For young people, who have graduated high school or dropped out of high school who are between the ages of 17 and 20 if they happen to be white, unemployment rate is 33 percent. If they are Hispanic—unemployment rate is 36 percent. If they are African-American—real unemployment rate for young people is 51 percent.”
“In other words what we are doing is turning our backs on an entire generation of young people who want to get a job, they want to earn some income, they want get out of their homes—they want to become independent and we are not allowing them to do that,” he said.
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Many, like Sanders, disagree that the unemployment rate tells the whole story, as the measure doesn’t account for those who have dropped out of the labor force. Gallup CEO Jim Clifton has called the unemployment rate a “lie” and said it is misleading.
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The 102.159 million Americans not working in December is not the all-time record of Americans not working. That all-time record was set in October, 2013, at 102.896 million. The employment-population ratio that month was an even more pitiful 58.2%.


That was the lowest in 30 years, all the way back to 1983, the first year of the recovery from Reagan’s recession, which finally slayed the historic double digit inflation of the 1970s. The employment-population ratio of 57.9% in 1983 was up by the fifth year of Reagan’s recovery to 61.5%, on its way to 63.0% in 1989. That represented an increase of 17 million jobs since that recession started in July, 1981.


But that was when America was following pro-growth economic policies. Today we have President Obama emphasizing equality rather than growth, and after 5 years of Obama as President, we still have not recovered all of the jobs lost since the recession began in 2007. When the recession began in December, 2007, the economy was employing 146.273 million Americans. Today, after 5 years of Obamanomics, in December, 2013 the number of Americans employed was still only 144.586 million, about 1.7 million fewer jobs.


President Obama is not the only President to be challenged by a recession while in office. Since the Great Depression, there have been 10 other recessions before this last one. On average, all the jobs lost in those recessions were recovered within two years after the recession started, as reflected in the official historical data, which is well presented on the website of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. But here we are today under President Obama, more than 6 years after the recession started, and we still have not recovered all of the lost jobs!


Moreover, Obama apologists cannot say that Obama’s recovery from the recession is so bad because the recession was so bad. The historical record for the American economy has always been the worse the recession, the stronger the recovery. America has forgotten that experience, because Reaganomics produced 25 years of steady, often booming growth, from 1982 to 2007, with only two, short, shallow recessions. But under every other President in U.S. history, going back for well over a century at least, the economy was in a booming recovery within 5 years as President Obama has had, even under Franklin Roosevelt during the Great Depression!
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But the full reality is best understood by recognizing that over the past 8 years the U.S. working age population has increased by 19.3 million, but the number of jobs in America has grown by only 1.8 million during that time. That is what never recovering from the recession means in the real world.
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The irrefutable truth is Obama has done more harm to blacks, women, the poor, the working poor and the middle class than any POTUS in modern history.

But as I said before, I'm so happy Obama's rich Wall St bankers and other wealthy campaign supporters are making money hand over fist and screw the lowly pleb working stiffs and the poor.

Here, have a block of cheese and a free phone. Vote Democrat! Your Masters need the money because we know what's best for you.
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...being the wife of a two term president has some benefits but I don't think even Laura Bush would vote for Laura Bush. I don't know, like Tracii I'm just not seeing anything there with her but a lot of good ideas and good deeds that went unopposed but can she make them fly in Washington?
This analogy just serves to underscore how she's really nothing like Laura Bush, either as a First Lady or otherwise, and most noticeably in terms of the level of ongoing, direct, & sustained political involvement in virtually every one of her husband's campaigns (and administrations) over the course of decades: (Aside from working on both Carter's & McGovern's respective Presidential bids.) From a failed effort to win a seat in the House of Representatives, to the (AR) State's Attorney General's office, different gubernatorial races (1 failed), to 8 years in the White House. And, of course, her own two terms in the US Senate, plus two more now-prior presidential bids, and heading the state department.)

Really, Laura Bush is at the very opposite end of that continuum. To find a First Lady as much or more like that, so conspicuously trying to present as apolitical, you have to go back at least before Nancy Reagan; who also, admittedly, also presented somewhat of a more traditional and fashion & aesthetics-focused , I'm-just-the-hostess-with-the-mostess type of image. But even she was no Laura Bush.

Even so, she was still deeply involved in a lot of the decision-making with respect to how her husband’s administration articulated policy in any of huge range of areas (economics, Cold War, etc…). So much so that the ongoing tension between the retired film actress and Donald Regan (first Reagan’s Treasury Secretary; then, eventually replacing James Baker as Chief of Staff) lead to his forced resignation.

So, really, what bothered critics so much about both Hillary Clinton-personally as well as her relationship with then-President Bill Clinton, and on such a deeply personal and moral level, had a lot do with her also having the education and professional background to more competently & openly (and, therefore, unapologetically, meaningfully) challenge others vying for the ear of the leader of the free world. As an intellectual and social equal.
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Which of the candidates who announced they're running would you seriously credit with 'great things that qualify them to be President'???

That's hanging the bar very high!

....people don't vote for candidates because of their merits in the past. But because they can convincingly transmit that they're the best person to get things done in the future, that will make things better for everyone, that the 'shining city on the hill' is an attainable goal with them (I'm not a Reagan fan - but he was a political image pro). It truly is the vision that counts - not the legacy.
Yes, that’s true. Not unlike a job interview or raise-review, the only relevance of past-performance is as some indication of future results. And, even so, the real measure of the best of what any states-person has accomplished requires at least some distance, even if just for historical context. Imagine were we to seriously ask "What did Nixon accomplish?" right after Watergate.

Do I even need to wonder if anyone here would we even think to ask what Senators like Cruz or Paul has (directly) accomplished? Or Jindal or Christie? (as Governors of two states whose once robust economy has nose-dived since they've taken office.)

Whereas Hillary's Clinton's biography is like right in the middle of the best part.

That being said, by the time of Reagan's first successful Presidential run, he was already a very well experienced, highly polished candidate. How craftily he articulated that vision was no small measure of it. Likewise, right now, in terms of both real experience and the ability to leverage that proven-experienced into projecting a credible vision for the electorate...HRC is more like 'the Reagan' to these guys' Dan Quayle. Some of them are practically amateurs next to her.

Particularly in this context, it’s such an absurd and nakedly partisan/political query. So, how can I resist?
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  • Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.
  • She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.
  • She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
  • Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
  • She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War....
  • At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
  • She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
  • Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
  • Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
  • Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
  • Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.
  • Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.
  • Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date....
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With respect to that last one-in particular, I disagree with many critics who pretend not to appreciate its relevance. It signals something meaningful and substantive about both the energy and tone she brought to that job and how she's represented the US around the globe, to players of every size and shape and degree of relevance. Something that her detractors are not so explicit in talking about for how well they realize it won't sell with the country's political center.

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"Activism is just stirring the pot of dissent when you are in college..."
But wasn't grass-roots activism supposed to be the whole basis of the tea-party movement? (Not too many college kids in that demographic) What about the Colonial-era revolutionaries, were they just stirring-the-pot-of-dissent? Is this also how you look at things like the American Civil Rights movement of the 60s or women's sufferage?

As when Sarah Palin brought out this tactic to de-legitimize Obama's work as a community organizer, to me, it just seemed so oddly undemocratic for a person running for a nationally elected office. And now a (self-described) tea-partier. Makes perfect sense-though when you take into account its divisive intent, to energize that right-wing base of what's actually a minority of people ("real-America versus all of the latte-drinkers who managed to elect the President anyway).

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"...Being a political activist means nothing when it comes down to running a country."
You show me a person that waits for a title or office in order to effect the change (in the world) that needs making and I will show you someone both uncaring and ineffective, either in office or out.

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That's like saying the rain comes from the umbrella...

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"Treats our best ally in the middle east (Israel) with contempt."
No. It's Israel and it's people that are America's ally. Not the Likud government looking to exploit that good-will. It's Netanyahu who is NOT an ally and clearly does not respect the US:


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"This bit of conservative BS needs to be addressed. The TRUTH is that our President is actually very popular around the world."
What matters, to me, is not the overall popularity of Obama, but with whom. It's good, important, to have enemies, rivals, etc...the right ones, just as much as it is to have friends. That guys like Putin, Netanyahu, Assad, and Ahmadinejad near constantly have Obama's name in their mouth suggests he's hitting his target right where the medicine needs to go. Bullies crave attention, engagement; but you have to be careful to give them just them the right kind and just the right amount. Obama has a very nice touch in this.
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Whether you are for Hillary or not you should watch this.
Now you liberals may not watch it because you love Hillary no matter what anyone says but there are just too many points in this in this film that you need to consider.
Please be open to learn something about who she really is.
https://youtu.be/1mYW5nmS9ps
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Now you liberals may not watch it because you love Hillary no matter what anyone says
lol wut...

Tracii, I don't know what's going on in your life, but you're starting to sound like bio. Trust me, that's not a good thing.
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The words in the film are not mine they are from people that were around her.
People have gone to prison for dealing with her.
Why is pointing things out that show her for what she is a wrong thing?
Its our job as voters to be aware.
You may not agree with bio but he does raise some good points at times.
Its not about liberal vs conservative its about picking the right person for the highest office in the land.
Hillary is a liar and crooked as a snakes back.
Be bold and watch the film is all I ask and if you decide in the end you want a person
like her in the white house fine.
I have been so quiet here for years because of all the hate thrown on me in the past but if your ideology supports a person like her then its a sad day in the neighborhood.
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The movie's posted on the Stormfront web page.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/blogs/tags/clinton/


Pretty much says it all.
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The movie's posted on the Stormfront web page.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/blogs/tags/clinton/


Pretty much says it all.
Probably where it was found in the first place
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Probably where it was found in the first place
I don't know if I believe that Tracii is a racist. Ignorant about things maybe, but she's never seemed malicious to me :\
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So you aren't going to 'man up' and watch it is that what you are saying?
I am truly saddened you think of me as a racist and that really hurts just so you know.
I pulled that off YT and I have never been to the stormfront website so I don't know what they stand for.
Just suggesting you watch the film is all I asked and for you to bash me for it is just sad.
It just shows how tolerant you liberals really are.
Oh and PS to the liberal men here I'm calling you out. if you don't watch it you are a big puss.

[this post has been modslapped for 'big puss' and 'man up' language]
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So you aren't going to 'man up' and watch it is that what you are saying?
I've had enough 'manning up' for one lifetime, tyvm.
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Amazing how conservatives are always complaining about media bias -- but then expect people to accept a YouTube video of unknown origin as gospel.
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So you aren't going to 'man up' and watch it is that what you are saying?
I am truly saddened you think of me as a racist and that really hurts just so you know.
I pulled that off YT and I have never been to the stormfront website so I don't know what they stand for.
Just suggesting you watch the film is all I asked and for you to bash me for it is just sad.
It just shows how tolerant you liberals really are.
Oh and PS to the liberal men here I'm calling you out. if you don't watch it you are a big puss.
I gotta say the straw man argument equating your posted video with Stormfront is a low blow even for BM. Shame on BM.
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