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Old 10-19-2016, 10:14 PM   #1
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Well.

A few takeaways:
That "...nasty woman" bit is going to hurt Mr. Trump, badly. In any other debate, that'd be the headline... but it won't be.

The headline will be because Mr. Trump was trying to be too clever by half. What he was trying to accomplish was to turn his almost-certainly-inevitable concession speech into must-see television and an incredible marketing opportunity for his planned TV network, by hedging on whether he'd actually concede if he loses. It must have been irresistible. Unfortunately, he's not a politician, and doesn't really know, or apparently care, why democracy works. That's why he didn't understand that you just. do. not. do. that.

First, it's practically seditious on its face. Second, it calls every contest at every level into question -- including those that Republicans will or could win, and including those in Republican-controlled states -- with potentially severe adverse effects on Republican turnout. Third, it's yet another sign that he's completely unsuited to the Presidency, in this case because he's treating the election as merely a money-making and brand-building stunt.

Oh, and Sec. Clinton stomped all over him on the issues, too.
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Old 10-19-2016, 10:40 PM   #2
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Its interesting that Trump is no longer getting a pass. Everyone is piling on -- .
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A lot of that, I think, is that even the media outlets favorable toward him could no longer pretend not to know that he's playing them too. For most, that happened at the "birtherism press conference / hotel infomercial" event a few weeks back, but trying to hype up a media event -- his concession(?) speech -- by trashing the entire basis of democracy was a step too far even for them, at least for now.
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Trumps going to discover that he's really pissed off a whole lot of "nasty women."

Like the ones who laughed when he said he respects women.
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"Bad Hombres"

It's either the next Clint Eastwood movie or an independent wrestling circuit tag team, both wearing orange masks!
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Maybe he meant Dos Hombres featuring Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas under the hood.
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"It's Hillary.
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Janet would have had NO idea why that hashtag suddenly started trending last night.
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Final debate?
Really?

I fear there could be another four years from now, God forbid.
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It's Hillary Diana Rodham Clinton; soon to be a federal prisoner since she is a crooked and “nasty.”
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Trumps going to discover that he's really pissed off a whole lot of "nasty women."
Are they the ones that lie again and again to the public? Are they the ones that risk endanger national security with their “reckless” actions? Are they the ones that escaped justice by making a secret deal with the AG?

I don't think so. That is why many woman who may vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump still don't respect her.
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If she'd made a secret deal, wouldn't you expect the time for that deal to have happened would have been before the aforementioned AG made an unprecedented (and incorrect in significant details) statement attacking her while conceding that nothing actually criminal had been found? Seriously, if she could cut a deal to evade prosecution on what you're certain are blatantly criminal misdeeds, she could also have demanded that the AG simply shut it down without comment.

Your conspiracy theories need work.
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Some Trump supporters are saying they're going to go into armed revolt if Trump loses.
I doubt if it'd be many, or that they would pose any kind of legitimate threat to the democratic process, but it's still a disturbing thing to think about.
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Some Trump supporters are saying they're going to go into armed revolt if Trump loses.
I doubt if it'd be many, or that they would pose any kind of legitimate threat to the democratic process, but it's still a disturbing thing to think about.
Another pathetic attempt to discredit Donald Trump supporters/voters. Naturally, there is no cited source. Perhaps it is bloggers? Maybe it is Hillary Clinton supporters pretending to be Trump supporters? (Democrats have a history of dirty tricks.)
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Another pathetic attempt to discredit Donald Trump supporters/voters. Naturally, there is no cited source. Perhaps it is bloggers? Maybe it is Hillary Clinton supporters pretending to be Trump supporters? (Democrats have a history of dirty tricks.)
http://qz.com/807615/donald-trumps-c...and-dangerous/

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement..._assassination

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...history-226873

Whether Trump means it or not, he needs to STOP even mentioning it!
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Yet, the only examples of documented violence is against Donald Trump supporters. (There are allegations that the Clinton campaign and the DNC are behind some of these attacks.)
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Yet, the only examples of documented violence is against Donald Trump supporters. (There are allegations that the Clinton campaign and the DNC are behind some of these attacks.)
I've read and heard this, too, BUT there is NO DOCUMENTATION. We're suppose to believe a candidate that calls for "Second Amendment solutions"?

C'mon!
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Another pathetic attempt to discredit Donald Trump supporters/voters. Naturally, there is no cited source. Perhaps it is bloggers? Maybe it is Hillary Clinton supporters pretending to be Trump supporters? (Democrats have a history of dirty tricks.)
So did I make up hearing on the radio news this morning a West Virginia fan of Trump saying "the old hag" was being propped up and dragged across the finish line. He then said that "hell, yeah" he would use his guns to help start a revolt if Trump didn't win. In the last week, I've heard voice clips of perhaps half a dozen Trump supporters saying that they would revolt, that they would take up arms, and that it was their duty to overthrow the election results.

And that's just one person, and a few news sources. I'm hearing quite a bit of chatter along the lines of an armed or violent reaction to election results if Trump doesn't win.

The candidate himself said he would decide only after the fact whether he would accept the results of the election -- something unprecedented in the history of the republic.
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A big bunch of crazies having a tantrum? Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree it seems....
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Trump has been inciting his rabid followers from the get go. Why would anyone be surprised that some of them are now talking about violence?
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So did I make up hearing on the radio news this morning a West Virginia fan of Trump saying "the old hag" was being propped up and dragged across the finish line. He then said that "hell, yeah" he would use his guns to help start a revolt if Trump didn't win. In the last week, I've heard voice clips of perhaps half a dozen Trump supporters saying that they would revolt, that they would take up arms, and that it was their duty to overthrow the election results.

And that's just one person, and a few news sources. I'm hearing quite a bit of chatter along the lines of an armed or violent reaction to election results if Trump doesn't win.
Which is still just talk. Like when movie stars claim they will leave the country if a Republican gets elected. (They are never serious.) So why would anyone assume these people are serious?

Second, how does the public know these people are true Trump supporters? In the past the Tea Party was accused of being racist. When no proof could be found; opponents of the Tea Party dressed up as Tea Party member and carried racist signs as “proof” the Tea Party was racist. Exactly how do we know these people are not “plants” to discredit Trump supporters?
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Then I would suggest you check the record of the 2000 election. Al Gore and his team did not accept the outcome. They took their challenge all the way to the US Supreme Court. Even today, there are some that still don't accept the outcome. They think George W. Bush stole the election.

Also, “something unprecedented in the history of the republic” sounds like a liberal talking point.
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Trump has been inciting his rabid followers from the get go. Why would anyone be surprised that some of them are now talking about violence?
Actually, there are documented cases of Trump supporters physically being assaulted on tape. Further, some of the recently presented Wikileaks e-mails show that members of the Clinton campaign and the DNC “staged” some of these attacks.

That's reality as opposed to your liberal fantasy.
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I'm a professional writer and editor with more than 30 years of experience. I am offended that you would dismiss as a "liberal talking point" a sentence I crafted.

So.... when someone on tape self-identifies as a Trump supporter and makes statements like the statements above, that's "just talk."

What does that make the video of a Trump supporter gut-punching an old man?
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Deliman can take heart in one fact: He is as correct about Trump's chances as he was about Romney's.

Well, I can take heart in that fact at least.
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As usual Deli is making false equivalencies. In this election both the talk about and actual commission of violence has been very one sided. For the entire campaign Trump has been throwing his rabid base red meat. Clinton has -- as the First Lady has said -- taken the high road (at least high as is possible in a modern national campaign).
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As usual Deli is making false equivalencies. In this election both the talk about and actual commission of violence has been very one sided. For the entire campaign Trump has been throwing his rabid base red meat. Clinton has -- as the First Lady has said -- taken the high road (at least high as is possible in a modern national campaign).
No, actually it is you with blinders on. The fact is the vast majority of violent acts have been by people opposed to Donald Trump. For example, cowards that come up behind Trump supporters in a blitz attack, in the head, that leaves them bloody. Or, how about the no less reprehensible people that deface and steal Trump campaign signs. (Where are your videos of people taking Hillary Clinton campaign signs?)

As the exposed e-mails make clear the people at the highest levels of the Clinton campaign and the DNC knew violence was being to by their supporters and with their quiet support. (The reason they wanted them to remain secret.)

Second, as far as the “high road?” You are welcome to believe what you wish. The public has determined that Clinton is a liar that will say anything to get ahead.
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