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Old 05-31-2017, 03:18 PM   #101
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I heard the term and was scared and avoided it.
They're just crumpets, I don't know why they changed the name, crumpet sounds much better!
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I don't know why they changed the name, crumpet sounds much better!
To me, 'crumpet' sounds like a Fiat that lost an argument with a semi.
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An english muffin is not a crumpet! At least around here it isn't -- crumpets are full of holes on top, english muffin is more bread-like, usually split in half to be consumed while crumpets are done in one piece.
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I don't think I have ever had a crumpet and i feel like that should be remediated at some point... i don't think i have ever seen one!
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An english muffin is not a crumpet! At least around here it isn't -- crumpets are full of holes on top, english muffin is more bread-like, usually split in half to be consumed while crumpets are done in one piece.
English muff



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Seems pretty close to me. Yeah you split one in half and the other comes naturally cratered on top but pretty much samies.
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I've had crumpets and they were quite different from English muffins. Crumpets taste almost like pancakes, moist and sweet. Not at all like English muffins which are basically bread.
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I'm british, we tend not to have a lot of french things over here on principal.
It's not French - it's just the North American name for an age old recipe dating back to Roman times for using up leftover bread.

The French name is "pain perdu", the Italian "pane pavese" and in German it's "arme Ritter" - the translation of which "poor knights (of Windsor)" is actually the term you will find in traditional British English cook books.
Somewhere down the line, the UK lost the tradition of frugal home-cooking.

Excellent by the way is the Italian version of not doing the toast sweet, but salty with a grated Parmesan batter.
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I've had crumpets and they were quite different from English muffins. Crumpets taste almost like pancakes, moist and sweet. Not at all like English muffins which are basically bread.
I think the English muffin dough has been kneaded which develops the gluten and gives them their chewy texture compared to the crumpet.
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It's not French - it's just the North American name for an age old recipe dating back to Roman times for using up leftover bread.

The French name is "pain perdu", the Italian "pane pavese" and in German it's "arme Ritter" - the translation of which "poor knights (of Windsor)" is actually the term you will find in traditional British English cook books.
Somewhere down the line, the UK lost the tradition of frugal home-cooking.
Here in Canada, the French name for 'French Toast' is 'Toast Allemande'.

But food names change as you change regions and countries, always. Just like 'Canadian bacon' is unknown in Canada.
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Never heard that name for French Toast around the Golden Triangle.

True about the Canadian Bacon. Around here it's usually called peameal bacon or peameal ham. I'm not sure if it's the same as back bacon.
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Never heard that name for French Toast around the Golden Triangle.
It may be a Quebec/Acadia/Eastern Ontario name, then. Acadian and Quebecois have lots of words that don't exist in 'Le Francais Internationale'.
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Something truly "All-American" from McDonalds:



An English muffin with an egg, Canadian Bacon and....American cheese
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I still don't quite understand what is meant by "American cheese." Obviously not just any cheese made in the USA (or in NA or SA!) -- I assume it is a particular type of cheese, so why such a generic name?
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I still don't quite understand what is meant by "American cheese." Obviously not just any cheese made in the USA (or in NA or SA!) -- I assume it is a particular type of cheese, so why such a generic name?
American cheese isn't my fave cheese- I'm more of a cheddar gal myself but I found an article that may help you understand it.


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Mais non! American cheese is not cheese! the cheese police cry out. And they have a point. American cheese—even the "fancy" stuff you can get sliced at the deli counter—is not exactly cheese. But here's the thing. Saying "American cheese is not cheese" is like saying "meatloaf is not meat." Just as meatloaf is a product that is made by blending real meat with texture- and flavor-altering ingredients, so American cheese is a product made by blending real cheese with texture- and flavor-altering ingredients. In fact, percentage-wise, there's a good chance that there's more milk and cheese in your American cheese slices than there is meat in your meatloaf!]
http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/07/w...an-cheese.html

I do have to say though, that an ex-boyfriend showed me how to make the best grilled cheese sandwiches...with part of the secret being two slices of "real" American cheese and a cast iron skillet. Make it down my way someday Tad and I will show you how it's done
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I still don't quite understand what is meant by "American cheese." Obviously not just any cheese made in the USA (or in NA or SA!) -- I assume it is a particular type of cheese, so why such a generic name?
American cheese = processed food

That's the essence also of GF's description quote. And it not only refers to Cheese Wizz

Cheese has a clear definition. It is a natural product made of milk, salt and bacteria - period. Maybe other natural ingredients - herbs, peppers, spices - for certain specialties, but that's it.

Now I'm not claiming that other countries don't have processed food claiming to be cheese -they all do. But the US has no indigenous cheese, "invented" and cultivated in the country.
Of course there are specialty dairies, many of them organic that make very decent cheeses. But they're all re-building some European cheeses - like Cheddar ;-). And they play only a very limited role on the US "cheese" market.
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There is at least one cheese of American origin, Monterey Jack. When it first started appearing up here I thought it was another code name for a processed cheese product, but a bit of research turned up that it is fact real cheese, granted that its origins were from a Mexican monastery that ended up in California when the US took over the west.
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There is at least one cheese of American origin, Monterey Jack. When it first started appearing up here I thought it was another code name for a processed cheese product, but a bit of research turned up that it is fact real cheese, granted that its origins were from a Mexican monastery that ended up in California when the US took over the west.
See - you're contradicting yourself.

Monterey Jack is indeed the only cheese with its own real American name.

But as you already point to its origin from Spanish monks - Monterey Jack (young) is nothing other than the emigrated brother of Mah˛n respectively Manchego (old) cheese from the old world ....

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By that logic a lot of regional cheeses would lose their names, I think? Since in many cases it was the same basic cheese that changed its name as it moved between cultures.

And when it comes to cheese, I'm far from a purist, being more of a "I like what I like" type. (I like very old cheddar from this dairy, but not from that one. Does that mean I do or don't like very old cheddar? Or is one or the other more 'authentic' than the other? I tend not to worry about such questions, and just buy the one that I know I like). So no, I won't try to argue cheese with you, not having the more formal knowledge in the field.
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Yet another debate within this thread?

Quelle fromage...
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That just makes me want "Fromage Loopy"
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American cheese = processed food

That's the essence also of GF's description quote. And it not only refers to Cheese Wizz

Cheese has a clear definition. It is a natural product made of milk, salt and bacteria - period. Maybe other natural ingredients - herbs, peppers, spices - for certain specialties, but that's it.

Now I'm not claiming that other countries don't have processed food claiming to be cheese -they all do. But the US has no indigenous cheese, "invented" and cultivated in the country.
Of course there are specialty dairies, many of them organic that make very decent cheeses. But they're all re-building some European cheeses - like Cheddar ;-). And they play only a very limited role on the US "cheese" market.
(At least in Michigan and Ohio) Not all American Cheese is what is usually called "processed food" (truth be known, cheese itself is one of the first processed foods, we just don't acknowledge that since the process goes back about 1,000 years)

A better definition of American Cheese would be "mild cheddar". American Cheese can be a true cheese (in which case it is usually sliced, but not with each slice individually wrapped), or American Process Cheese Food (which contains other dairy ingredients, and each slice is individually wrapped, because slices of APCF stacked together would otherwise unite into a single block) Truth be known, APCF is healthier (as it has less fat). APCF is usually about two-thirds the price of American Cheese.

Cheese Whiz is a different thing, it is knife-spreadable and is sharper than American Cheese.

There are also "American slices", a combination of dairy ingredients, vegetable oils and processed protein that can't be called cheese. It is even lower in calories and even cheaper than APCF. It is a sad substitute for cheese, especially If you try to use it as a melted topping (e.g. for Nachos or pizza).
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No kidding!

I mean, was it really necessary for her to bring up the War of 1812, which hand to hold your fork in, and English muffins?

Such a kerfuffle.
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No kidding!

I mean, was it really necessary for her to bring up the War of 1812, which hand to hold your fork in, and English muffins?

Such a kerfuffle.
I know, right? I'm so controversial, I should moderate myself.
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(truth be known, cheese itself is one of the first processed foods, we just don't acknowledge that since the process goes back about 1,000 years)
It goes back a lot further: Homer mentions cheese in the Iliad, which was composed around 750-700 BCE.

"Cheese: milk's leap towards immortality."
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