Boteroesque -- The Mirror Project.

[Tina]

BB, I told you I'd let you know if and when my submission was accepted (sorry, I can't find the original thread, or I'd have posted this there). Just received the email, and my submission is Here.

Interesting site really. I like it -- thanks for the heads up.

[Boteroesque Babe]

Very cool, Tina. I love getting lost in the site, doing searches on people, places, and things. It's really taught me to view my physical surroundings in a different way, and at least once a week, I see something that amazes me. (That, and I'm trying to maintain a fat presence there, no matter how small. It's an international site, and I'm pretty much the only fat person I've seen submitting.)

And if I've never told you before, I find your affinity for muscle cars and related vehicular accouterment... adorable.

[Tina]

Heh. Thanks.

I can see how it might make you view the world around you differently. I can see how I'll see things differently with my camera, too, and I plan on experiementing. I'd like to add to your fat presence there (wait. not as a feeder, or anything, that just sounded wrong!). What I mean is, I'll be joining you more often there.

[Boteroesque Babe]

Originally Posted by Tina

...I'll be joining you more often there.

Great. I could use the company.

A guy who'd seen my pics there once wrote me a very flowery e-mail, saying I obviously (!) "don't yet understand and appreciate the beauty of the lady behind the camera," and he was willing to help me explore that, if I'd just send him "images of the sensuality of this fascinating photographer."

He didn't come right out and ask my bra size, but I certainly felt the need to shower off the implication, after reading his note.

So beware. It's a hip site, but still, there are pockets of "fat girls are easy."

[Jes]

Originally Posted by Boteroesque Babe

Great. I could use the company.

A guy who'd seen my pics there once wrote me a very flowery e-mail, saying I obviously (!) "don't yet understand and appreciate the beauty of the lady behind the camera," and he was willing to help me explore that, if I'd just send him "images of the sensuality of this fascinating photographer."

He didn't come right out and ask my bra size, but I certainly felt the need to shower off the implication, after reading his note.

So beware. It's a hip site, but still, there are pockets of "fat girls are easy."

there is some weird 3rd-person thing going on and I get it a lot too. Not from that site, but just various places. 'The lady.' I'm not trying to mock, but the other day I got email from a guy who wrote something like:Prithee, does the lady [something or other]...

? eh? The lady? What lady?! Anyone who knows me knows I'm no lady.

But that talk just kind of creeps me out, somehow. Anyone else?

[Boteroesque Babe]

Originally Posted by Jes

But that talk just kind of creeps me out, somehow. Anyone else?

I'm so there with ya, Sistah. Most of my friends don't understand this, but I've never liked the word 'lady,' and only use it as a joke. When it's used earnestly, it seems to indicate something about the user that, yes, creeps me out a little.

It may be a generational thing. Or a Jerry Lewis thing. Or just one of my many tiresome quirks.

That said, there's foppish, and there's lustfully romantic. If circa '75 Ryan O'Neal, laced up tight in his Barry Lyndon trousers, bowed deeply and asked for this lady's hand, he'd get every damn digit. Then some toes. Saliva 'em up to your heart's content, Ryan. And keep that ruffledy shirt on, will ya?

Now playing in my head: Handel's "Saraband," loud and slow.

[Cat]

Originally Posted by Boteroesque Babe

It may be a generational thing. Or a Jerry Lewis thing. Or just one of my many tiresome quirks.

OH My GAWD...too funny. It's both a generational thing...and Jerry Lewis thing for me. I can't stand being called a "lady". I get the "Hey, Laaaaayyyyydy" stuck in my head whenever I hear it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who makes the Lewis connection!

[Jes]

Originally Posted by Boteroesque Babe

I'm so there with ya, Sistah. Most of my friends don't understand this, but I've never liked the word 'lady,' and only use it as a joke. When it's used earnestly, it seems to indicate something about the user that, yes, creeps me out a little.

It may be a generational thing. Or a Jerry Lewis thing. Or just one of my many tiresome quirks.

That said, there's foppish, and there's lustfully romantic. If circa '75 Ryan O'Neal, laced up tight in his Barry Lyndon trousers, bowed deeply and asked for this lady's hand, he'd get every damn digit. Then some toes. Saliva 'em up to your heart's content, Ryan. And keep that ruffledy shirt on, will ya?

Now playing in my head: Handel's "Saraband," loud and slow.

My love for you continues to deepen. Warn the little pillow biter.

I agree with you--I fear it says something about the user. Like INSISTING you're a gentleman. Often, people are using the word in place of the corresponding actions (not like I like the word gentleman, either). I use lady in that vaudevillian 'you're anything BUT a lady' way: Hey, Lady!


Edited to add the point of all of this (yeesh!): years ago, a friend's mother was going through her closet with her daughter and me there, and she said something about how 'us girls' were yadda yadda and then she turned to us and said: Oh, no, that's right, you don't want to be called girls anymore. We have to say 'ladies' now, right?

We didn't really have the heart to tell her that the new wave of feminism had propelled us even past lady and dropped us squarely on the beach of 'woman.' We figured dropping 'girl' was about as far as she was gonna get, and that was ok.
I'm so glad you admit to tiresome quirks. I have them too, and sometimes I am ashamed, but the hell with it. I'm here, I'm round, accomodate me! (that's my new version of the I'm here, I'm queer, thing)

[Boteroesque Babe]

At age 45, I continue to call myself 'girl.' Even if no one else will.

[Jes]

Originally Posted by Boteroesque Babe

At age 45, I continue to call myself 'girl.' Even if no one else will.

Well now, that's different, lady. I'm not particularly bothered by people calling themselves what they choose. Though I have to say, girl still does rub me wrong a lot of the time. But that's me. So long as there's something to rub me right, it all evens out in the end.

[Boteroesque Babe]

Originally Posted by Jes

Though I have to say, girl still does rub me wrong a lot of the time. But that's me. So long as there's something to rub me right, it all evens out in the end.

To rubbing! :::clink:::

(All these infernal smilie faces, and not a single one with a martooni glass?)

[Tina]

BB:

It may be a generational thing. Or a Jerry Lewis thing. Or just one of my many tiresome quirks.

I hear ya. And David Letterman didn't help that AT ALL!

But for me it's also about a set of gender-based expectations, replete with white gloves and putting up with rude idiots, that I have no desire to fulfill. I'd rather just aspire to being a good person than a lady, thankyouverymuch.

And yeah, I prefer girl over lady. Gal gets thrown around in there from time to time, too.

[AnnMarie]

I use girl.

Don't like lady either.

I'm feeling brief.

[Tina]

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