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Old 10-11-2007, 05:09 PM   #26
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I can post pics of my pussy or my ass if you prefer. My boobies aren't for everybody - I know I know that's not what you heard!!

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Old 10-11-2007, 05:51 PM   #27
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CLEAN UP IN AISLE 6!

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Old 10-11-2007, 05:58 PM   #28
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Sorry, cannot help you right now..am finishing my crotchless bumblebee costume for Halloween..ran out of stitchwitch....fuck....

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Old 10-11-2007, 06:01 PM   #30
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This always happens. I mention my boobies and everyone wants to see them. It's the cross I bear for being so sexy and beautiful.

Now everyone stop clamoring for my boobs - everyone back away. I'm sure you all have perfectly fine boobs. Mine are just spectacular and I don't want to make anyone feel bad because they can't match my boobies beauty.

Move along...............

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Somewhere in Dims land, quietly floating around in cyberspace, there is a pic of a butt nekkid Wayne Zitkus. Maybe, if we ask him nicely, he'll repost it here.
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Is it corny of me to point out how the "after dark" thread didn't fail to talk about the birds and the bees?



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and of course I'm stupid, I'm wearing a plant on my head....duh
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:23 PM   #34
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It is unfair that birds get a photo and bees don't. Allow me to rectify this:



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Old 10-11-2007, 08:31 PM   #35
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CLEAN UP IN AISLE 6!

Snackbar, get your lazy ass in here, pronto, and bring a mop.
I spend all night bathing children and putting them to bed, I go to feed my four gerbils of the Apocalypse, and this is what I come back to?

Did anyone here ever get to see old footage of Hugh Hefner's Playboy After Dark? Basically a show where Hugh sort of broke some molds, having some rock and roll music, lots of jazz, and many comedians and entertainers (Bill Cosby, Dick Gregory, Lenny Bruce). The goal was a laid back atmosphere with beautiful (albeit clothed) Playmates, and tried to push the envelope in his show much as he did in his magazine.

Not that I see this thread like that (I personally cannot stand Playboy since everything in the issue gets run through the Big Fake Breasted Blonde Airbrush Machine), but it is nice to cut loose in a thread where adults can just talk like adults. So often it's tough to avoid offending anyone, and in the end it's all just words. I don't care if you call the penis a cock, dick, schlong or if you call your vagina a pussy or a coont, it's all just a term.

I guess how I see it is that adults should be able to talk like adults in an uncensored, politically neutral atmosphere. It's rough when you get to a thread about sexual turn-offs and have to censor what you're talking about, when the topic is SEX.

Then again, it's not like a single thread is going to reinvent anything. I just did this for Monique.

So, a short topic idea: For either gender, what in your opinion is the single most annoying/offensive/redundant or non-erotic aspect to porno films and why?
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"(I personally cannot stand Playboy since everything in the issue gets run through the Big Fake Breasted Blonde Airbrush Machine)"

It's a pretty good magazine, journalistically speaking. But as a porn mag, it sucks. Too many Sensitive Depictions Of Female Sensuality.

As I have said before, I prefer lurid depictions of completely shameless BBW exhibitionists spreading their legs, in full knowlege that a bunch of pervos like me are looking at them and masturbating.
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Might as well discuss here, as I think I inadvertently ruined the other one.
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You don't want to know, Admiral. It would turn into a feminist rant.

Love the blue-footed boobies, though.
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You don't want to know, Admiral. It would turn into a feminist rant.
Soo, basically the most offensive thing about porn is porn itself. Got it

You can rant all you want. That's why we're here. You mention something and we respond, then you respond in kind and we all kiss and make up in the end and agree to disagree.
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You can rant all you want. That's why we're here. You mention something and we respond, then you respond in kind and we all kiss and make up in the end and agree to disagree.
More what it does to people, Admiral. I won't go into it all, but if there is one thing I will discuss that is, IMO, harmful, it's what it does to peoples' minds.

First, you have the attempted brainwashing of boys and men. They are told what they should find attractive and what they should expect from women. Women should be thin and slutty, and should make these and those moves and those sounds. Women really mean "yes" when they say "no," and are willing to fuck just about anyone. Men shouldn't have to really try very hard to please their partner, and women can come from penetration alone. This, to me, is basically the take-home message of porn. Some guys are immune to these repeated messages, to one degree or another; some are not. And that's just mainstream porn.

When I was publishing my feminist mag, one of our readers wrote in about how the guys at her work had all kinds of porn on their computers, and how the women there were treated. She said she felt that because of a fixation on porn, the men devalued women and looked at them as only sex objects, and not as capable co-workers. She gave many examples to back up her claims. She ended up writing an article for us based upon the letter.

Women, however, are given the message that they must be thin to be attractive. Again, mainstream porn, but that message is flipped on its head regarding fat porn, of course. Women are shown that we should dress a certain way, move a certain way, sound a certain way, and love to drink semen as if it were a milkshake.

I think that porn often follows stereotypical 'thinking' and sends a message about what sex should be. It is such a lucrative industry that they really don't care what the message is, as long as money is being made. And that's not even going into the things that are done to women in order to make the porn (kidnapping, drugging, rape, other types of violence). I see an actual negative value in hardcore porn, personally.
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IMHO, she should have complained, anonymously, to the management. People should not, as a general rule, view things like that in the workplace; certainly not where people can see. That she was aware of it demonstrates that it was displayed openly, that's sexual harassment. I mean, real sexual harassment, not something popped up by some whiner to get something for free.

As for the feminist angle, there are feminists, and there are feminists. Susie Bright and Naomi Wolf come to mind. Not to "rant" myself, but there are lots of offensive generalizations about men in the writings of MacKinnon, Dworkin, Susan Griffin, and other self described feminists. Unlike porn, which is private enterprise, numerous persons who share their ideas are tenured professors, with the power to influence policy and legislation.

Personally, it is sometimes easier, and simpler to turn to pornography than to enter the complex minefield of relationships, in which one makes oneself just as vulnerable as can be to having ones property lifted, reputation besmirched, to even be deprived of liberty, because somebody pointed a finger out of girlish pique, and some authority figure believed them.
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IMHO, she should have complained, anonymously, to the management. People should not, as a general rule, view things like that in the workplace; certainly not where people can see. That she was aware of it demonstrates that it was displayed openly, that's sexual harassment. I mean, real sexual harassment, not something popped up by some whiner to get something for free.
What makes you think she didn't? She did and nothing was done about it. She ended up leaving.
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Porn is far more ubiquitous in society than Dworkin's books, or anything from any feminists that might come down the pike. This society has become a porn society, starting in the 1980s. It has become a stripper culture, where thongs (that used to be a word for shoes...) became popular, as did shaving and waxing nether regions (which used to be reserved pretty much for prostitutes only back in the day), and male infidelity at strip clubs became common. There have almost always been strip clubs, but never so many, and there also never were lap dances. Do you know that there are actually thongs for little girls? A friend of mine was telling me about them several years ago; she saw them in a department store. Porn movie directors started directing music videos, porn actresses became more mainstream. You can even get porn ringtones for your cell phone. Frankly, I do not think that our society has benefited from the pornification of daily life.
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Personally, it is sometimes easier, and simpler to turn to pornography than to enter the complex minefield of relationships, in which one makes oneself just as vulnerable as can be to having ones property lifted, reputation besmirched, to even be deprived of liberty, because somebody pointed a finger out of girlish pique, and some authority figure believed them.
Yeah, because that certainly happens WAY more often than good relationships do.

If a guy hates and fears women so much that he would refrain from relationships based upon the thinking you outline, maybe he deserves what will likely ultimately become his lonely life. Vulnerability is a two-way street, you know. It's not only the guy who can get screwed, hurt, and torn apart, literally and figuratively.
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Disclaimer: This is in no way a slight against Tina and her viewpoints. I've argued for and against both sides of this spectrum, and in the end it is perfectly acceptable to agree to disagree. The ideas and opinions expressed by Admiral Snackbar are in no way indicative of all men when it comes to pornography or entertainment. No animals were harmed during the drafting of this post.

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First, you have the attempted brainwashing of boys and men. They are told what they should find attractive and what they should expect from women. Women should be thin and slutty, and should make these and those moves and those sounds. Women really mean "yes" when they say "no," and are willing to fuck just about anyone.
I would say that soap operas, Oprah and the endless deluge of daytime television brainwashes housewives and other women who somehow see it as in some way reflective of real life. Dr. Phil does not 'solve' problems. He trots out his 21st Century Sideshow and watches the parents cry as their geek kid bites the head off the proverbial chicken and then tells them that their problems will all be solved if they just read his new bestseller, IN STORES NOW. The problem of brainwashing goes far beyond pornography. Clothing companies, advertising in general, marketing, you name it. They all know the simple formula that sex sells. You want to draw attention to your commercial? Put a bikini model in it. I would love to have been the fly on the wall when the execs were pitching the Olsen Twins 'Prostitot' clothing lines. Someone surely had to say "you know, this stuff fundamentally sexualizes pre-teen girls and can cause a lot of problems." Then another person trots out the demographics for clothing sales for females ages 10-15 vs. the popularity of the Olsen Twins and everyone realizes they will all get nice big bonuses for Christmas if they just push their wares. Rap music is another example. You can justify the pornification of anything given a large enough dump truck full of money.

I would say the "no means yes" thing is more prevalent in Asian adult entertainment, where the wife/mother/secret-holding character is through sexual dominance reduced to a stool pigeon, giving up secrets, virginity, and modesty when the male antagonist is raping (read as giving them their first REAL orgasm) them. It's prevalent in many aspects of their entertainment, from hardcore anime to samurai films. Think of Eastwood in High Plains Drifter; the woman who saw him as an uncouth bastard changed her tune after he took her out back and fucked the shit out of her...then all she wanted to do was bear his children. The dominance of women by men goes much further back than Behind the Green Door. Genesis did it first, St. Paul helped. And that's not even going into Islam or Orthodox Judaism.

Porn is formulaic because it is simple and bereft of creativity. In the early 80s, it was still a legitimate alternative art form; the production values were astronomical, they had interesting, complete plots and sets. The stories were erotic because they bothered to build it up. In the end, you could say the art was lost when the male lead shot a load in the lead actresses face, and I do agree. When you have a product that is mainly masturbation material, appealing often to the more primitive male mind and visual cues, all you need are just a few props to sell your wares.

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Men shouldn't have to really try very hard to please their partner, and women can come from penetration alone. This, to me, is basically the take-home message of porn. Some guys are immune to these repeated messages, to one degree or another; some are not. And that's just mainstream porn.
I would go one step further: The woman's orgasm is an afterthought, and the money shot is all that matters. Very rarely do you see the male talent bring the woman to an actual, visually verifiable orgasm. You may get closer to it with girl/girl porn, where they focus on each other rather than bringing some guy off, but even then most of it is still acting. Look also at the fact that male talent is really nothing more than a penis prop. The girl sells the video, she's the one who draws the sales and in the end (depending on the director) it is she the camera focuses on vs. the usually hairy and dumpy guy she's been paired up with. These days with Viagra, you get the roid boys involved more and more, but overall the profit ratio for the female vs. male talent is easily 6 to 1. Overall, the only women in the industry who make a name for themselves financially are the ones who go into business for themselves, or do porn and then go into stripping. The men who own the video companies still hold the pursestrings when it comes to generating the most profit. The idea of royalties in porn is almost a laughable one.

I got into porn in my teens due to other guy friends who had older brothers and a few discarded magazines from my parents. It became a comfortable substitute for real relationships, because at times you get tired of working hard, being a gentleman and being relegated to the status of the intellectual whore to girls who want nothing to do with the fat boy romantically or sexually. I mean, I was a thin kid until 2nd grade, had all sorts of kissy-po girlfriends. When I started getting fat, you could almost hear the crickets chirping. I'm not condemning them, because they were only going with the flow, and in a lot of ways I am more angry at myself for letting my good nature get taken for granted.

Even still, porn was only a substitute. I didn't build my life or my image of women around it, because I saw it for the fantasy (albeit one-sided) it was. There are men who see the porno lifestyle as reflective of real life, and they are as naive as the guys who think that selling crack and packing heat while you drive your pimped out ride is a way to be successful and attractive to the ladies. The stories overall are never happy, and the sob stories are always the ones you hear more often. You had women who were confident and happy as pornstars (and it showed) who made a career of it and saw it for what it was, and you also had young, naive girls who came into town on the bus and got run through the grist mill, dashing their hopes of legitimate acting to the ground because they got caught up in porn or had to somehow make money when they left home.

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When I was publishing my feminist mag, one of our readers wrote in about how the guys at her work had all kinds of porn on their computers, and how the women there were treated. She said she felt that because of a fixation on porn, the men devalued women and looked at them as only sex objects, and not as capable co-workers. She gave many examples to back up her claims. She ended up writing an article for us based upon the letter.
I will say that this is a two-way street. At my company we had no incidences with men having porn on computers, but we had many ladies talking loudly about a sex toy party at one of their homes on the weekend that 'offended' a male co-worker and resulted in some disciplinary action. I also had co-workers who had porn that both men and women alike enjoyed seeing together. I don't believe it has any place in the workplace, and companies work very hard to fight that sort of thing. Your reader should have followed the appropriate action to get disciplinary actions filed against those men.

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Women, however, are given the message that they must be thin to be attractive. Again, mainstream porn, but that message is flipped on its head regarding fat porn, of course. Women are shown that we should dress a certain way, move a certain way, sound a certain way, and love to drink semen as if it were a milkshake.
Per my earlier statement, porn is just a symptom of the larger objectification process in Hollywood, fashion and advertising. I think young girls get their unrealistic body role model expectations from Elle and Cosmo moreso than Backdoor Sluts 9, although all of them together contribute to the objectification and fantasy depiction of women.

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I think that porn often follows stereotypical 'thinking' and sends a message about what sex should be. It is such a lucrative industry that they really don't care what the message is, as long as money is being made.
I think Oprah is porn for housewives, because it sends a message about what a happy marriage/sex life/woman should be. Maury Povich sends a message that paternity testing is a painful process worthy of entertainment and shock value. Oprah, Maury, Bill O'Reilly and everyone else in that sort of entertainment medium are simply trying to sell a product (themselves) as much as Jenna Jameson or Buttman are. One group of them just does it in a more graphic and lascivious manner. Two sides of the same coin in my opinion.

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And that's not even going into the things that are done to women in order to make the porn (kidnapping, drugging, rape, other types of violence). I see an actual negative value in hardcore porn, personally.
That right there is a hefty dose of Dworkin and McKinnon talking. In the early days when porn wasn't popular, most women did get involved in seedy lifestyles that lent them to edgy porn. Now that it's mainstream, any woman can walk in off the streets in LA and sign up to try out for a porno, and their friends may cheer her on. Some women go into porn because they love being exhibitionists. Most of them go into it because of childhood sexual trauma or bad feelings of self-worth, single motherhood, a string of bad relationships, etc.. Given the litany of sob stories from mainstream entertainers in the past 30 years, people with fucked up childhoods, abuse (sexual or otherwise) tend to gravitate towards some form of attention whoring. I'm not saying in any way that this is a good thing, only that people will be people.

There is most definitely a very negative aspect to porn, most notably in what gets churned out in the past ten years, most of which I cannot tolerate, and is doing everything it can to make porn that much more evil and worthy of censorship. Spitting, throat fucking, quasi-rape scenes, etc., these are all very negative, misogynistic things, but there is also a market for it. In an industry where pushing the envelope further and further is the key to success, the need to make the sex more debasing, dirty or violent toward women is just a foregone conclusion. The prevalence of internet porn and the ease of access to it is just pulling the finger out of the proverbial dike (no pun intended) and opening a progressively younger generation of people to a form of fantasy best taken in moderation. As with anything where bigger, better faster, more is the way to survive, the people trying to publish legitimate adult entertainment get cast into the same bucket as the guys who make "Grudge Fuck #5".
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I never liked ANY porn before Dimensions (and I mean the print mag and the early videos) because before that I hadn't seen any fat erotica that was respectful.

By now I've seen tons of it (what I like is the softcore, cheesecakey stuff, still photos, not grungy fuckflicks) and I even shot a bunch of it for one of the successful models. All this immersion changed my thinking for sure and I'm no shining-armor knight but I don't think I respect women any less since, nor treat them differently.
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Today has been busy, so I haven't had a chance to respond to you properly, but I did want to address the first part of this next paragraph of yours.

Dworkin? I haven't even read many of Dworkin's works, Admiral. I don't like her much, though she does have something to offer. MacKinnon is okay, but I believe I can formulate my own arguments independently from Ms. Dworkin and Ms. MacKinnon (when it comes to feminists, I generally prefer Bell Hooks, Katha Pollitt and Rebecca Walker, thankyouverymuch ). The best education I had was from the many, many women I have known around the world, through publishing the mag, who have written about these things and given me an education I would, in many ways, really rather not have had.

Do you really think that porn is that 'innocent' in that way now? I am not just talking about Uni students and others who do it as a lark. I have heard all of the stories from the various women I've known, so I am looking at the whole of porn -- from the videos made of women who have been given rufies and raped on camera and uploaded to the net, to the women in Asia who have been kidnapped and forced into prostitution and/or porn videos and photos, to children that are raped and molested on camera. You cannot think these things do not go on... do you? And these are just quick little examples, because bed is calling.
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That right there is a hefty dose of Dworkin and McKinnon talking. In the early days when porn wasn't popular, most women did get involved in seedy lifestyles that lent them to edgy porn. Now that it's mainstream, any woman can walk in off the streets in LA and sign up to try out for a porno, and their friends may cheer her on. Some women go into porn because they love being exhibitionists. Most of them go into it because of childhood sexual trauma or bad feelings of self-worth, single motherhood, a string of bad relationships, etc.. Given the litany of sob stories from mainstream entertainers in the past 30 years, people with fucked up childhoods, abuse (sexual or otherwise) tend to gravitate towards some form of attention whoring. I'm not saying in any way that this is a good thing, only that people will be people.
Admiral, I really am aware for the multitude of reasons why women get into porn, unfortunately. I don't put the women down for it, but the industry and the seedy assholes who profit from pimping women out are definitely on my shit list.

And here's another example for you of how porn can have lasting effects: A few years ago, a father was turned in for raping his young teen daughter over some years. He showed her porn videos so that she would know what to do for him to satisfy him. Now, given human nature, it's not exactly certain what that girl will end up being as an adult, but you've got to know she's screwed up. It may be that she will end up in the sex trade. Yes, many who are have been raped, molested and the like.

I'm not talking Big Cuties here; I'm talking the down and dirty crap that makes unscrupulous people rich, because they are willing to whore anyone out, willing to compromise society in some ways, for the almighty dollar.

Anyway, I appreciate the conversation, but it's not really a welcome subject here, so I don't go into it very often, or very deeply. Good night.
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"If a guy hates and fears women so much that he would refrain from relationships based upon the thinking you outline, maybe he deserves what will likely ultimately become his lonely life. Vulnerability is a two-way street, you know. It's not only the guy who can get screwed, hurt, and torn apart, literally and figuratively."
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Here we have the classic "attacking the straw man" sophistry so beloved of feminists. There is nothing in what I wrote about "hating and fearing" anyone.
Put a different way, possibly more comprehensible to someone like yourself, it's often easier to go get off on some cheesy dirty magazine than put up with some spoiled gen-X girlie. My life is very rich, has lots to it besides romantic relationships, and is really too short to spend much of it dealing with the neuroses of Women Studies types, and their little tantrums.
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Ha ha! You obviously do not know what a straw man is. Hey, they're your words, you wrote them. I didn't invent them, Eddie. And yeah, I got that point, so you don't need to condescend to me. What I addressed is that I see a real dislike of women in your posts. It's my opinion and I'm allowed to have it. Like it or not.

The only thing you ever post about here is porn, sex and oral sex. You're a one-trick pony, so to speak, and I can maybe see how my opinions might threaten you.
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