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Old 11-22-2007, 05:48 AM   #1
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Default 'Obesity Epidemic' investigated by BBC (UK Radio podcast)

This could be an interesting listen (airs at 8pm GMT or is available as a podcast from the link below)

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Radio 4's The Investigation
Britons are getting bigger and it's a crisis on the same level as climate change, says the government. Within 15 years most of us will be overweight, with our life expectancy cut by 13 years. Scary stuff, but do all the facts about this "ticking time bomb" really add up?

It's headline grabbing-stuff. The obesity epidemic in Britain is now a crisis on a scale with climate change, says Health Secretary Alan Johnson.

It will lead to the first cut in life expectancy in the UK for 200 years. "Children are likely to die before their parents," says Dr Colin Waine, chair of the National Obesity Forum.

There's just one problem with this claim - official forecasts show it's not true. The government-commissioned Foresight report released last month looked at the future trends of obesity and found an increase will have surprisingly little impact on life expectancy. In fact it predicted Britons will live significantly longer. So what is the truth about the obesity epidemic?

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PODCAST LINK - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/fileon4/
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:05 AM   #2
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Gah, I hate the title already.

"Epidemic" - blah.

Obesity is NOT a disease.

It might be widespread and rapidly doing so... but it's still not a disease.

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Old 11-22-2007, 06:23 AM   #3
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Old 11-22-2007, 07:42 AM   #4
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Gah, I hate the title already.

"Epidemic" - blah.

Obesity is NOT a disease.

It might be widespread and rapidly doing so... but it's still not a disease.

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I hear you Heather...

I'm hoping this broadcast is going to take a look at why the stats in the UK dont add up with the message of the government... 'Over'weight people have been proven to live longer than 'normal' weight people...

As with the US, we get fatter and fatter in the UK, yet live longer and longer..?

I just read your post on the weight loss surgery board. Situations like that epitomise the need for some sanity, balance and consistency to the messages coming at us from our governments and doctors about weight and the benefits of weight loss vs those of simply living well and staying fat.

I think we need to take a look at the science here. As doctors like Scwarz and statistitions like Gaessner & Campos keep pointing out; when a risk factor is 'doubled' by obesity for a disease, what that sometimes means in real terms is that incidence of a disease goes up from 2 cases in a 1000 to 4 cases in a thousand. Thats only just significant in epidemiological terms but in REAL terms does little else other than add another reason to stigmatise fatness in the media.

But, as we know, we are fatter and living longer... so the message CAN'T add up? There are benefits to being fatter that are brushed aside and unreported due to their 'moral' incompatiblity with the social norm. Fatter people have higher rates of survival for certain diseases and operations for instance...

Basically, people dont die from their fat...
Therefore it is not a disease..!
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:24 PM   #5
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Thanks for the heads up, James. Downloaded it and have just listened to it.
Its certainly very promising (particularly pointing out to the 'experts' that their figures were wrong and listening to them backpeddle, and comparing the 'war on obesity' to a ill-thought out crusade), though I wouldn't crack open the champaign just yet, as it still refers to obesity as 'the problem'.
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Gah, I hate the title already.

"Epidemic" - blah.

Obesity is NOT a disease.

It might be widespread and rapidly doing so... but it's still not a disease.

Hugs,
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Obesity is a disease to those who wish to profit from it.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:19 AM   #7
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Thanks for the heads up, James. Downloaded it and have just listened to it.
Its certainly very promising (particularly pointing out to the 'experts' that their figures were wrong and listening to them backpeddle, and comparing the 'war on obesity' to a ill-thought out crusade), though I wouldn't crack open the champaign just yet, as it still refers to obesity as 'the problem'.
It was a mixed bag wasnt it? I agree that it was promising in the sense that some of the more outlandish claims we hear (Our kids will die before us from fatness.. etc. ) were shown to be absolute nonsense.

The Foresight report includes a section on "wildcards" (i.e factors that might confound the effort to fight the 'War on Obesity' that have not yet been considered yet)

I thought that it was funny that one of those was the following;

Wild cards: In all our research, we rarely found consideration of wild cards, perhaps as obesity could be very low on the list of priorities in any 'emergency' situation, and possibly even of benefit for short-term survival. To ensure our system is robust, "we need to expect the unexpected. We need to plan to be shocked" (OST Foresight 2004). Many things could interrupt the food supply chain: climate change; a major food scare; widespread cereal disease; bird flu; an abattoir superbug; war; an asteroid hit; significant petrol shortages. Wildcard changes in 'fashions' might also include doctors/ science losing credibility, fat being the new slim (over 50% of the developed world is overweight; when will we come out of the closet about liking 'the fuller figure'?). How can consideration of wild cards be included?
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Old 11-23-2007, 06:46 AM   #8
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