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Old 04-17-2008, 10:24 PM   #1
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Or the generic equivalent Hydroco/APA 7.5.

I have been taking Lortabs again for some problems I am having with my left shoulder. I have taken them before and they have never bothered me..I lived on them for about 6 years and did not have any problems stopping them nor did they bother me like they are now.


This time on them it is different. I am having weird dreams and profuse sweating.They do not keep me asleep for very long but do stop the pain from being so intense. I have never experienced anything like this before. I guess I should mention I live on Darvocettes the 750 mg pills,I take 3 to 6 of them a day or did before starting the Lortabs.

Anyone else have this problem with them? Could I be allergic to them after all this time? Just strange for this to come out of right field.

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Or the generic equivalent Hydroco/APA 7.5.

I have been taking Lortabs again for some problems I am having with my left shoulder. I have taken them before and they have never bothered me..I lived on them for about 6 years and did not have any problems stopping them nor did they bother me like they are now.


This time on them it is different. I am having weird dreams and profuse sweating.They do not keep me asleep for very long but do stop the pain from being so intense. I have never experienced anything like this before. I guess I should mention I live on Darvocettes the 750 mg pills,I take 3 to 6 of them a day or did before starting the Lortabs.

Anyone else have this problem with them? Could I be allergic to them after all this time? Just strange for this to come out of right field.

Sorry to hear about your shoulder problem? I have not taken Lortabs or the other drugs mentioned- Check up with your Physicians/Pharmacist regarding the adverse reactions. Are they reccommending any other alternative pain methods to try.

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Or the generic equivalent Hydroco/APA 7.5.

I have been taking Lortabs again for some problems I am having with my left shoulder. I have taken them before and they have never bothered me..I lived on them for about 6 years and did not have any problems stopping them nor did they bother me like they are now.


This time on them it is different. I am having weird dreams and profuse sweating.They do not keep me asleep for very long but do stop the pain from being so intense. I have never experienced anything like this before. I guess I should mention I live on Darvocettes the 750 mg pills,I take 3 to 6 of them a day or did before starting the Lortabs.

Anyone else have this problem with them? Could I be allergic to them after all this time? Just strange for this to come out of right field.
Lortabs or the generic equivalent (or any similar medication) with codeine as main ingredient and acetimenophen are a secondary ingredient. Below is some iinformation I copied on the pros and cons of taking such medication (especially longterm).

Specific information on Lortabs or Hydrocodone
From http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lortab75_wcp.htm

Warnings:
Respiratory Depression: At high doses or in sensitive patients, hydrocodone may produce dose-related respiratory depression by acting directly on the brain stem respiratory center. Hydrocodone also affects the center that controls respiratory rhythm, and may produce irregular and periodic breathing. (Perhaps this could disturb your sleep?)

Side Effects:
The most frequently reported adverse reactions are light-headedness, dizziness, sedation, nausea and vomiting.

Other adverse reactions include:
Central Nervous System:
Drowsiness, mental clouding, lethargy, impairment of mental and physical performance, anxiety, fear, dysphoria, psychic dependence, mood changes. (Perhaps your night sweats connected here?)

Respiratory Depression: Hydrocodone bitartrate (the opioid in Lortabs) may produce dose-related respiratory depression by acting directly on the brain stem respiratory centers. The brain stem controls consciousness and determines whether one is awake or sleepy. (Perhaps this drug is adversely affecting your ability for normal sleep?)

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Now here's some general information on opioids (Lortabs & Hydrocodone):


Opioids have negative side effects as well. However, it is interesting that many pain specialists now believe that opioids, when used as prescribed, are often safer than the non-opioids. Side effects of the opioids include respiratory depression, nausea and vomiting, constipation, sedation, and mental clouding. Many of these side effects can be minimized or eliminated with proper medical management.

Concerns Regarding Addiction
The major objection to use of opioid pain relievers for chronic pain is the fear that they may lead to addiction. As a result of such fears, many doctors are reluctant to prescribe opioids, and many chronic pain patients are reluctant to take them. It is important to understand what addiction is and what it isn’t. Three concepts are now distinguished: physical dependence, tolerance, and addiction.

Moore's comment: IMHO the reason many doctors are reluctant to prescribe continued doses of opioids such as Lortabs is that they are also afraid of losing their prescription licensing by the Narcotics Bureaus.

Physical dependence is an automatic consequence of taking opioids over time. Physical dependence is apparent when one abruptly stops taking the drug or reduces the amount taken. This leads to withdrawal reactions. Physical dependence is not the same as addiction and is not considered to be a problem by most pain specialists.

Tolerance refers to the fact that the drug loses it’s pain relieving effectiveness when used over time. That is, tolerance occurs when you need to take more of the drug in order to obtain the same degree of pain relief. Tolerance is also not considered to be a problem by most pain specialists. That is, many persons with chronic pain who are taking opioids are able to maintain their dosage level without continuing escalating the amount taken.

Addiction, unlike physical dependence and tolerance, is more of a psychological concept.
It refers to psychological dependence and craving. It refers to people who take more of the drug than they are supposed to or who seem to have little control over the amount they take. People who are addicted take opioids more for their psychological effects than for pain relief. That is, they compulsively use opioids to reduce emotional suffering.

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Moore’s comments: There are several other alternative methods available now for pain control other than Lortabs. You might want to research some pain management websites and see if anything appeals to you. I have some friends who have had good luck with “Lidocane pain patches”, nerve blocks, massage, exercise therapy, or TENS units. Some of us also use a combination of several techniques.
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Thank you both for your replies.

Tony thank you again. I have a torn rotator cuff in my left shoulder. If they don't give me Lortabs they give me Darvocettes which are not strong enough to calm the pain. I have tried the generic morphine and oxycotin and neither were strong enough for me..I will try something else again I guess..

Moore I do not understand why Drs. that know their patient are in chronic pain will not prescribe anything stronger then Darvocette. It is not like someone with that much pain will get addicted. Makes no sense to me.

As for the nerve block I can't do it because I will loose all sensations to my fingers. I have tried to have it done and the Drs will not do it. They want me to be able to feel heat and cold in my fingers. The tens unit wont help either because it is a torn rotator cuff and this is my second one to have repaired. I am not to sure I can take the Lidocaine,if it has any aspirin in it I can't. I took a lot of aspirin when I was a child for the arthritis in my knees and it messed my stomach up.

I guess I will keep trying pain pills until I can find one that will work as it should on me. I figured I built up a tolerance to the Lortabs from taking them for so long. Might be why I can't sleep much while taking them and the weird dreams. I know there is something out there that can help,just got to find it..

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Thank you both for your replies.

Tony thank you again. I have a torn rotator cuff in my left shoulder. If they don't give me Lortabs they give me Darvocettes which are not strong enough to calm the pain. I have tried the generic morphine and oxycotin and neither were strong enough for me..I will try something else again I guess..

Moore I do not understand why Drs. that know their patient are in chronic pain will not prescribe anything stronger then Darvocette. It is not like someone with that much pain will get addicted. Makes no sense to me.

As for the nerve block I can't do it because I will loose all sensations to my fingers. I have tried to have it done and the Drs will not do it. They want me to be able to feel heat and cold in my fingers. The tens unit wont help either because it is a torn rotator cuff and this is my second one to have repaired. I am not to sure I can take the Lidocaine,if it has any aspirin in it I can't. I took a lot of aspirin when I was a child for the arthritis in my knees and it messed my stomach up.

I guess I will keep trying pain pills until I can find one that will work as it should on me. I figured I built up a tolerance to the Lortabs from taking them for so long. Might be why I can't sleep much while taking them and the weird dreams. I know there is something out there that can help,just got to find it..

Again thank you both. :-)
From http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lidoderm.htm

Lidocaine patches (also called Lidoderm) are small (10 cm x 14 cm) patches applied to intact skin over the area that is painful. The patches were originally created for herpes type pain (shingles), but patients have been using them for other pain management purposes.

The patches work by controlling pain in two ways. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that calms neurons in the skin and minimizes their “firing” and “pain conduction”. We have all experienced its effect in the dentist chair when they swap our gums with it before giving us a shot.

The lidocaine patches also work by having a systemic effect in that the medication is absorbed thru your intact skin, enters the blood stream, and is metabolized into your body, resulting in an anesthetic effect. The amount of absorption depends on the number of patches used (up to 3 allowed) , the area of skin applied to (some skin better at absorbing than other skin), and the length of time worn. The patches are normally worn for 12 hours.

In answer to your question about aspirin, the answer is no – there is no aspirin in this patch. Lidocaine is a relative of acetaminophen (tylenol) but not exactly alike. However, the beauty of the patch is that this medication does not pass thru you gastric system – no stomach or intestines involved. The liver is used to metabolize the drug in the blood stream however.

Some warnings on the Lidocaine patches:
Antiarrhythmic Drugs: LIDODERM should be used with caution in patients receiving Class I antiarrhythmic drugs (such as tocainide and mexiletine) since the toxic effects are additive and potentially synergistic.

Local Anesthetics: When LIDODERM is used concomitantly with other products containing local anesthetic agents, the amount absorbed from all formulations must be considered. So, you can use these patches along with your other pain medication. Between the two types of drugs, you may get more effective pain relief and may be able to reduce the use (and side effects) of the Lorcets.

Ingestion hazard: Lidoderm patches (even used ones) can be dangerous if accidentally eaten by children or pets. Proper disposal of used patches is essential to protect pets and kids from contact.
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That article was 6 years ago. A lot has changed since then.

I think Drs that are in pain management have a better understand of patients with chronic pain. I know that my friend with fibro takes stronger drugs now then she did 2 years ago to help alleviate the pain and find some relief. It is not like a patient that hurts 24/7 is going to sell their drugs to get money,they are going to use the pills for their pain. They want to be able to have some quality of life and if it means taking pills for it they will..
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From http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lidoderm.htm

Lidocaine patches (also called Lidoderm) are small (10 cm x 14 cm) patches applied to intact skin over the area that is painful. The patches were originally created for herpes type pain (shingles), but patients have been using them for other pain management purposes.

The patches work by controlling pain in two ways. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that calms neurons in the skin and minimizes their “firing” and “pain conduction”. We have all experienced its effect in the dentist chair when they swap our gums with it before giving us a shot.

The lidocaine patches also work by having a systemic effect in that the medication is absorbed thru your intact skin, enters the blood stream, and is metabolized into your body, resulting in an anesthetic effect. The amount of absorption depends on the number of patches used (up to 3 allowed) , the area of skin applied to (some skin better at absorbing than other skin), and the length of time worn. The patches are normally worn for 12 hours.

In answer to your question about aspirin, the answer is no – there is no aspirin in this patch. Lidocaine is a relative of acetaminophen (tylenol) but not exactly alike. However, the beauty of the patch is that this medication does not pass thru you gastric system – no stomach or intestines involved. The liver is used to metabolize the drug in the blood stream however.

Some warnings on the Lidocaine patches:
Antiarrhythmic Drugs: LIDODERM should be used with caution in patients receiving Class I antiarrhythmic drugs (such as tocainide and mexiletine) since the toxic effects are additive and potentially synergistic.

Local Anesthetics: When LIDODERM is used concomitantly with other products containing local anesthetic agents, the amount absorbed from all formulations must be considered. So, you can use these patches along with your other pain medication. Between the two types of drugs, you may get more effective pain relief and may be able to reduce the use (and side effects) of the Lorcets.

Ingestion hazard: Lidoderm patches (even used ones) can be dangerous if accidentally eaten by children or pets. Proper disposal of used patches is essential to protect pets and kids from contact.
I am wondering if these will work for me since my pain is not localized but more of an all over body pain. I have a long history of surgeries that are centered on my shoulders,elbows and wrists and now from these surgeries I have bone spurs growing (such fun) that are causing most of my pain.
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That article was 6 years ago. A lot has changed since then.

I think Drs that are in pain management have a better understand of patients with chronic pain. I know that my friend with fibro takes stronger drugs now then she did 2 years ago to help alleviate the pain and find some relief. It is not like a patient that hurts 24/7 is going to sell their drugs to get money,they are going to use the pills for their pain. They want to be able to have some quality of life and if it means taking pills for it they will..
But not selling yours pills doesn't mean the person isn't addicted to pain meds. Chronic pain is exactly how many prescription drug addicts are born. Imagine becoming so addicted to the medication that alleviates your pain that you have to quit taking it because IT'S going to kill you and your life becomes non-functional as a result of pill addiction, but the chronic pain hasn't gone anywhere and now you can't take those meds at all.

Someone I love very much is in that situation, the addiction is real, and the reality of knowing that those highly addictive meds are no longer an option makes life very, very difficult. It's also bone spurs, btw, but this time covering an entire hip bone/joint.

I applaud doctors who are reluctant to hand out opioids like candy. They're a good short term solution for a painful injury or situation, but there are a host of medications that are far less addictive for long-term chronic pain. Pain clinics can be wonderful places, hopefully most have access to them... I wish no one had to live with debilitating pain.
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But not selling yours pills doesn't mean the person isn't addicted to pain meds. Chronic pain is exactly how many prescription drug addicts are born. Imagine becoming so addicted to the medication that alleviates your pain that you have to quit taking it because IT'S going to kill you and your life becomes non-functional as a result of pill addiction, but the chronic pain hasn't gone anywhere and now you can't take those meds at all.

Someone I love very much is in that situation, the addiction is real, and the reality of knowing that those highly addictive meds are no longer an option makes life very, very difficult. It's also bone spurs, btw, but this time covering an entire hip bone/joint.

I applaud doctors who are reluctant to hand out opioids like candy. They're a good short term solution for a painful injury or situation, but there are a host of medications that are far less addictive for long-term chronic pain. Pain clinics can be wonderful places, hopefully most have access to them... I wish no one had to live with debilitating pain.
I agree that prescription drugs are what starts a lot of people down the path to addiction. Not every one gets addicted and not every one gets relief from the opiates,just like every thing else in life,some it helps and some it hurts. That is why pain management is a trial and error medical profession. I know people that swear by the tens units for their back pain and others can't use them because they get no relief.

I am sorry to hear about that person in your life that has to deal with the addiction. I would hope and pray there is another form of pain management they can use to help if not stop the pain all together, then alleviate it enough to go about their daily life.

What kills me about the Drs not prescribing some sort of pain management more is when there is solid proof something needs to be done and they do nothing. I suffered for years because all I ever heard and believed was,"If I give you something for pain now,you will be out on the streets when you run out looking for more." I have ran out a lot and didn't get a new script right away. I was never on the street looking for more drugs.I lived with the pain until it would get to the point I couldn't enjoy my morning cup of coffee without being in so much pain I wanted to die.

I have been to that point in my life a few times from the pain and no one would listen nor did they want to believe me. You know it was all in my head or I was just one of those people that wanted to be on drugs. Sorry but my idea of fun is not being foggy,forgetful and sleepy most days.

Just like the torn rotator cuff in my left shoulder. It has taken me 8 years and re injuring it for something to finally be getting done for it. I have told Drs over and over something was not right with it, just to be told I am getting old and it is probably just arthritis. I have hurt so badly and for so long that I have prayed for God to kill me because I couldn't take the pain any more. I have become anti social because when you are in pain that much and others aren't they just do not get it and say something stupid like,"Well you just need to go to therapy and get them to work your shoulder.", which is the worse thing you can do for a torn rotator cuff.

My personality has changed a lot from all the pain and I tolerate very little in my life now,hate to say this, I take it out on the ones I love the most. Told all of this to the 2 Ortho Drs I went to see and all they wanted to do was shoot it was cortisone. The shots helped for a very short time but didn't stop the pain as it should have. Neither Dr. wanted to do a MRI to see if there really was something to all the pain. Finally the PA I see as my attending realized I was not just complaining to be complaining, something was wrong. She sent me to a different Ortho that ordered the MRI and found the tear. He said it had been there a while and was the reason I was in so much pain with my left shoulder. He also examined my right shoulder but told me it was better to just leave it alone and use pain management for it because he was afraid he would screw it up worse by trying to fix it.

The big bone spur I have on the top of my right wrist has been growing for years. It is now probably the size of a golf ball as was the one I had taken off of my left ankle. My hand Dr told me it was better to leave it alone then to try to operate on it because of the way the nerves are attached to my fingers and wrists. The spur pushes on the Median nerve that runs down the top of my right arm and he said by removing the spur it would damage the nerve. When I asked him what I could do about the pain,he told me to get use to living with it. Nothing more then that. He is also the Dr. that gave me 2 shots in my left trigger thumb because he didn't want to operate on it and said that should fix it. It didn't,within a month my thumb was back to hanging and hurting. I am getting that fixed when I get my shoulder fixed.

Sorry about the long post but to sum it all up. Some people do get relief from the pain pills without being addicted and some don't. I just think Drs. should do more then to tell you to take some Advil and get use to the pain. Living in pain 24/7 is not a good way to live and we shouldn't expect to live that way.
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I agree pain on a daily basis is devestating...i can relate, i have a bad back and bad knees and i am having issues with tendonitis in my knees, talk about fricking hurt....


BUT...addiction is not only physical but mental, pain pill useage of that length to the degree you stated is not healthy...

I would suggest going to a pain clinic, and not let a private doc, but pain specialist help you with your pain. I think you indeed have reasons for pain, but i also know there are many many things out there to help with pain other than narcotics for years....

please seek help from a professional pain person...they are trained to help with long term chronic pain and like i said, there are MANY MANY alternatives than the future you now face.

Please dont take this as preaching, you came to us with a problem, and honestly, i dont think you wanted an answer but this, i suggest you seek some help regarding this.

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When I was young my mother was a CNA. She would come home sore all the time, one day a patient kicked her in the back and that was it for her in that profession. She had months and months of physical therapy, and was given prescription pain killers and muscle relaxers. She soon became addicted to how those pills made her feel and even after the prescriptions ran out, managed to always have pills to take. Well my parents lost their house because of those pills. The house they'd lived in for 19 years, gone because of the power a couple of pills held over my mother.

I hope you find relief from your pain, it sucks I know. Some days my hips hurt me so bad I can barely walk.
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I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that doctors are limited by the number of prescriptions they can write for schedule III (codeine and benzodiazapienes I think) and IV drugs (strong opiates and amphetamines I think for this one). If they do they get investigated by the DEA or AMA or some such organization. So that could be the reason they don't like to give them out. But that was like 8 years ago. I don't know if that policy still stands. The book I read that in is called Pills-A-Go-Go by Jim Hogshire.

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Thank you for your concern ladies.. There are no pain clinics close enough for me to go to one.

I have really done my homework about the narcotics I take and how long I should be taking them. My biggest worry is not becoming addicted but how my liver is going to hold out. I honestly believe as much pain as I am in it will take a lot of pain pills to get me addicted. I read this article by a Dr who more or less thinks the same way I do about addiction. Here is part of the article I read.

"Narcotic addiction is defined as dependence on the regular use of narcotics to satisfy physical, emotional, and psychological needs rather than for medical reasons. Pain relief is a medical reason for taking narcotics. Therefore, if you take narcotics to relieve your pain, you are not an “addict,” no matter how much or how often you take narcotic medicines. If you and your doctor decide that narcotics are a proper choice for your pain relief, use them as directed. Addiction is a very common fear of people who take narcotics for pain relief. Narcotic addiction is an emotionally charged subject. You may hear people use the term “addiction” very loosely without understanding exactly what it means - the compulsive use of habit-forming drugs for their pleasurable effects. Generally, when narcotics are used under proper medical supervision the chance of addiction is very small. Most patients who take narcotics for pain relief can stop taking these drugs if their pain can be controlled by other means. It is important to remember that if narcotics are the only effective way to relieve pain, the patient’s comfort is more important than any possibility of addiction."

I don't get pleasure out of my pain pills,I get the relief I need to do the every day things I need to do. Some days I hurt so bad I can not make a pot of coffee, take a shower, do my dishes or my laundry, drive my car, dress or even clean my house, so I take the pills to be able to do these things to function on what I call a nearly normal level. Without these pills I really would not be getting anything done.

I have tried ibuprofen and other non-narcotic pain pills and my stomach has paid big time. So I stay away from them..

Now back to my original question. Does anyone else have weird dreams and profuse sweating from taking Lortabs?
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BBB, I didn't have weird dreams when I took it after my surgery in December, but I did have really labile moods and yeah, it did seem like I was sweating a lot, too. I'm not sure how much of it was being post-surgery, but I was in bad shape crying all the time and sweating a lot at night; I remember worrying that I had an infection but my temperature was normal so I chalked it up to recovering from surgery and anesthesia.

It eventually resolved as I took less of it, but it sure did a number on me until then. Percocet, OTOH, made me a very happy camper; I became very euphoric when taking it, to the point where I want to NEVER take it again because I felt THAT good. I could definitely tell the difference between the two. Vicodin just handled my pain but the Percocet took it to a whole other level and I could see how people could get addicted.

I think you're right to worry about your liver. That's a whole lotta Tylenol. But if you can't handle NSAIDS, until you resolve the source of the pain, or try non-pharmacologic options, I'm not sure you have too many options. Just be sure your physician is aware, and see if they'll order regular blood tests to make sure you're doing okay. The issue with addiction in your case is more about tolerance, where you have to take more and more just to get the same level of relief that you got at lower doses. I'm not sure how you avoid that, other than maybe by switching medications periodically.

I'm sorry you're having such pain. Can they fix it at all? Surgically, I mean? That seems the best option all the way around. Seems like they should be able to offer you something besides pain meds.
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Thank you for your concern ladies.. There are no pain clinics close enough for me to go to one.

I have really done my homework about the narcotics I take and how long I should be taking them. My biggest worry is not becoming addicted but how my liver is going to hold out. I honestly believe as much pain as I am in it will take a lot of pain pills to get me addicted. I read this article by a Dr who more or less thinks the same way I do about addiction. Here is part of the article I read.

"Narcotic addiction is defined as dependence on the regular use of narcotics to satisfy physical, emotional, and psychological needs rather than for medical reasons. Pain relief is a medical reason for taking narcotics. Therefore, if you take narcotics to relieve your pain, you are not an “addict,” no matter how much or how often you take narcotic medicines. If you and your doctor decide that narcotics are a proper choice for your pain relief, use them as directed. Addiction is a very common fear of people who take narcotics for pain relief. Narcotic addiction is an emotionally charged subject. You may hear people use the term “addiction” very loosely without understanding exactly what it means - the compulsive use of habit-forming drugs for their pleasurable effects. Generally, when narcotics are used under proper medical supervision the chance of addiction is very small. Most patients who take narcotics for pain relief can stop taking these drugs if their pain can be controlled by other means. It is important to remember that if narcotics are the only effective way to relieve pain, the patient’s comfort is more important than any possibility of addiction."

I don't get pleasure out of my pain pills,I get the relief I need to do the every day things I need to do. Some days I hurt so bad I can not make a pot of coffee, take a shower, do my dishes or my laundry, drive my car, dress or even clean my house, so I take the pills to be able to do these things to function on what I call a nearly normal level. Without these pills I really would not be getting anything done.

I have tried ibuprofen and other non-narcotic pain pills and my stomach has paid big time. So I stay away from them..

Now back to my original question. Does anyone else have weird dreams and profuse sweating from taking Lortabs?
I dont agree with you, i think there may not be a pain clinic close, but for you of all people, i think it is necessary...

i would suggest finding a friend and getting your doc to prescribe this...

many people who truly have addictions can rationalize their drug useage in any way they see fit, it is part of the problem....and no i am not saying you dont have pain, i just think that your problem needs someone else to solve it, and excuses wont help, you asked us....

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Aren't they also using antidepressants more and more to help control chronic pain? BBB alluded to the fact that it's changed her personality -- and that's no surprise. I lived in chronic (near constant) pain for years from my Sarcoidosis and yeah, it's depressing and makes you impatient, etc. During that time I read that they're trying anti-depressants along with pain meds and having good results.

Pain meds are great in that they take away the pain, but they're not so great in that they mask the cause of the pain. I guess my preference is to fix what the problem is and get out of pain -- if it can be done.
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I dont agree with you, i think there may not be a pain clinic close, but for you of all people, i think it is necessary...

i would suggest finding a friend and getting your doc to prescribe this...

many people who truly have addictions can rationalize their drug useage in any way they see fit, it is part of the problem....and no i am not saying you dont have pain, i just think that your problem needs someone else to solve it, and excuses wont help, you asked us....

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I didn't ask you about being addicted to pain pills. I asked about the side effects I was having with the ones I am taking.

As for rationalizing my using pain pills,excuse me but you do not really know me or how I am with pain. My Drs would tell you I handle pain very well and have a very high pain tolerance. I am the woman that worked 8 hours with an appendicitis attack and then finally went to the hospital where they took them out the next morning. You are making assumptions that you really have no right to make about me or my ability to handle pain.

As for the amount of pain I am in, I can sit and tell you until the cows come home but until you live in my body you will never really know. How do I know this? Because I have done it for years and years and the end is always the same. I get told I am just making excuses so I can get on pain pills. I fought myself for years before the pain got to be to much and I turned to the one thing I knew would help me have a half way normal life.

I will say this one more time, if these pills made me euphoric I would know it is time to change because then I would want more. The pills I take do not do that. They help me survive doing things during the day that most people take for granted.
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Aren't they also using antidepressants more and more to help control chronic pain? BBB alluded to the fact that it's changed her personality -- and that's no surprise. I lived in chronic (near constant) pain for years from my Sarcoidosis and yeah, it's depressing and makes you impatient, etc. During that time I read that they're trying anti-depressants along with pain meds and having good results.

Pain meds are great in that they take away the pain, but they're not so great in that they mask the cause of the pain. I guess my preference is to fix what the problem is and get out of pain -- if it can be done.

I was on Zoloft until I started the Lortabs. I will not mix the 2 now because it can put me into distress.

I am getting my shoulder fixed but it will not fix the pain that I have in the rest of my body.

Believe me I lived for a long time without any kind of pain pills. I just suffered through it and did the best I could. It finally got to the point I could not do it any more. I could not take the pain and I did what I had to do.

My PA has my blood checked every 3 months and she can check up to see how often I am having my pain meds refilled. It bothers her at times because I go longer between refills at times. I normally do not take very many pills from June until Oct. because the weather stays nice and no drops in the barometric pressure, plus it is warmer and my joints do not get cold and ache.
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I dont agree with you, i think there may not be a pain clinic close, but for you of all people, i think it is necessary...

i would suggest finding a friend and getting your doc to prescribe this...

many people who truly have addictions can rationalize their drug useage in any way they see fit, it is part of the problem....and no i am not saying you dont have pain, i just think that your problem needs someone else to solve it, and excuses wont help, you asked us....

please please get help....please...
I understand your concern and realize that you're a professional in the medical field, but you really have very limited information on who this person is or what ails her. For you to make the comment that I bolded, is really not your place given the limited information you do have.

From what she has stated, she is under the constant care of a physician who monitors her closely. Unless the physician is a total nut job, I'm sure they have discussed the pros and cons of using medication as pain control. I'm sure they've also discussed other methods of pain management. For some, an alternative, holistic approach works, for others it may not.

I see no problems stating your opinion or giving advice, but to make such a broad assumption about someone you don't know, is rather rude. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if the shoe was on the other foot.

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I didn't ask you about being addicted to pain pills. I asked about the side effects I was having with the ones I am taking.

As for rationalizing my using pain pills,excuse me but you do not really know me or how I am with pain. My Drs would tell you I handle pain very well and have a very high pain tolerance. I am the woman that worked 8 hours with an appendicitis attack and then finally went to the hospital where they took them out the next morning. You are making assumptions that you really have no right to make about me or my ability to handle pain.

As for the amount of pain I am in, I can sit and tell you until the cows come home but until you live in my body you will never really know. How do I know this? Because I have done it for years and years and the end is always the same. I get told I am just making excuses so I can get on pain pills. I fought myself for years before the pain got to be to much and I turned to the one thing I knew would help me have a half way normal life.

I will say this one more time, if these pills made me euphoric I would know it is time to change because then I would want more. The pills I take do not do that. They help me survive doing things during the day that most people take for granted.


i am sorry i have stepped on your toes, i never said you rationalized, although your every statement is how you NEED these pills to survive....yes, as Ms Vickie said, they are using antidepressants as pain controllers due to the syndapses they affect....

i know you are angry, i know you came here asking questions regarding otherr pills, but i am telling you, no begging you, to get some other help, you would not be the first patient that got addicted to pain pills with the assistance and blessings of your doc...it is not a sin, it is something that we, as medical professionals have led many people into...remember Heath ledger? He was in pain, mixed and look what happened....and no, i know you have tried to be a very responsable person regarding this, but pain pills of that type are supposed to be short term help until you get the problem fixed.

i do feel you have made many excuses not to see anyone else regarding the pills...i work with kids and have worked with addicted adults, there are a lot of people out there addicted to the things they need to take every day just to get out of bed...you are right to say i dont know you well enough to say you are addicted, but 5-6 years of daily multiple use would lead one to believe. In the hospital, i promise you, that use would be flagged.

i never doubted, nor do i doubt now that you are in pain, you are right when you said i dont know what it feels like to walk in your shoes, but you dont know my history either, i havent told you, so dont make broad assumptions about me either...

the reason i said for you of all people, use of a narcotic for 5-6 years straight alone IS addiction wether you believe it or not, your body has become used to it and will crave it...it isnt your fault it just is...i only ask you to get help above all others because there is SOOOOOOOOO much new technology available for you to make use of, that your doctor, unless he/she is a pain specialist will have no idea about....please, i do think this could change your life....and only for the better....

i am truly sorry if you found my post offensive, if you knew the affects i have seen how drugs affect people, you would be less harsh towards me...

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I understand your concern and realize that you're a professional in the medical field, but you really have very limited information on who this person is or what ails her. For you to make the comment that I bolded, is really not your place given the limited information you do have.

From what she has stated, she is under the constant care of a physician who monitors her closely. Unless the physician is a total nut job, I'm sure they have discussed the pros and cons of using medication as pain control. I'm sure they've also discussed other methods of pain management. For some, an alternative, holistic approach works, for others it may not.

I see no problems stating your opinion or giving advice, but to make such a broad assumption about someone you don't know, is rather rude. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it if the shoe was on the other foot.


reread what i wrote, and no i wouldnt like it if someone made an assumption, but Misty, this is not something (that i know of) that you have dealt with, i deal with withdrawal from the drugs i give kids DAILY at work...as sometimes even three DAYS of pain meds put some kids into problems of addiction, diarrhea, profuse sweating, irritability, jitteriness, problems sleeping, problems eating, over eating, all signs of problems and are scored on the kids every 4 hours to document their addiction issues and meds to help with them....

i did not prescribe..i asked BBB to get some help from a pain professional, and that is not being judgemental that is said from a point of seeing how they can help with chronic long term pain. The reason it is soooooooooooo important for her, is her chronic long term pain places her at great risk for problems, both physical and psychological, she should (in MY opinion) seek a pain professional to help her, it could change her life for the better.

you came to this arguement ill prepared Misty. i am sorry, but this was never a judgemental statement, dont make it one.
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reread what i wrote, and no i wouldnt like it if someone made an assumption, but Misty, this is not something (that i know of) that you have dealt with, i deal with withdrawal from the drugs i give kids DAILY at work...as sometimes even three DAYS of pain meds put some kids into problems of addiction, diarrhea, profuse sweating, irritability, jitteriness, problems sleeping, problems eating, over eating, all signs of problems and are scored on the kids every 4 hours to document their addiction issues and meds to help with them....

i did not prescribe..i asked BBB to get some help from a pain professional, and that is not being judgemental that is said from a point of seeing how they can help with chronic long term pain. The reason it is soooooooooooo important for her, is her chronic long term pain places her at great risk for problems, both physical and psychological, she should (in MY opinion) seek a pain professional to help her, it could change her life for the better.

you came to this arguement ill prepared Misty. i am sorry, but this was never a judgemental statement, dont make it one.
I'm not ill prepared whatsoever and I know way more than you may think I know.

I can understand your concern, but to essentially diagnose someone with an addiction is not your place...medical professional or not.

I really think this thread needs to get back on track. She asked a specific question about side effects. How she chooses to proceed is her own decision...concern noted, appreciated, but unnecessary.


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I'm not ill prepared whatsoever and I know way more than you may think I know.

I can understand your concern, but to essentially diagnose someone with an addiction is not your place...medical professional or not.

I really think this thread needs to get back on track. She asked a specific question about side effects. How she chooses to proceed is her own decision...concern noted, appreciated, but unnecessary.


I can understand you feeling like you need to stick up for BBB but she did put it out there and you just can't expect that people aren't going to share their opinions.

No one said anything out of malice, only out of their own experiences and caring for a fellow member of this community.

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