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Old 12-16-2008, 06:25 PM   #1
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Some may say that this belongs under the the fashion thread, but I feel this is more about size acceptance by the fashion industry. Now it seems to be at risk!
I got this today, and wanted to share it with you all and get your
feedback. As a new business owner who wants to include more than just
the 1X -3X, I'm concerned as well. I see a trend of junior plus
sizes, in which the 3X is smaller than a 1X regular selling like hot
cakes on the market. I want to be able to include the 4X-6X and to
expand to 10X. But if data is showing that the sizes above a 3X aren't
selling...I have my own take on why the larger sizes don't sell. I
suspect the store in question is Torrid, and I've found that their 4
and 5X are not true to size anyway. A 3X person is most of the times a
4 or 5X at Torrid. OK. So here is the post. Thanks for your input!

Start Post****** Today we got word of a company, who does trendy plus size
clothing, is eliminating their 4x & 5x lines due to supply and demand.
We don't want this company to think wrongly of us (or that we are
gossipy) so we won't say who (but you can all speculate) - but we
think highly of this company and their fashion forward styles. We were
a bit suprised at the announcement and are sure it was a difficult
decision.


That being said, like this company, we have heard of a premium denim
company who will be excluding all size 26+ from their collection in
the near future.


Other companies are teetering back and forth with the idea of
eliminating the desire to have anything made past a size 3x (22/24).
There are many reasons for this, a big one being that it is a lot of
red tape to get through to get manufacturers to make larger than a 3x
(costs skyrocket with the addition of 4x and 5x sizes - no, the cost
is not just a simple few inches of fabric, it is much bigger than
that, if you'll excuse my pun). But, putting manufacturing process
aside, it comes down to supply and demand, the reason our competitor
listed. And, plain and simple, bigger sizes aren't selling.


In our personal experience, when we started this venture, we wanted to
have fashionable sizes 14-36. What we realized, pretty quickly, was
that sizes 26-36 were going to be difficult sizes to create
(manufacturers flat out refuse to do anything above a 3x without
adding a huge cost per garment). Part of the dilemma was convincing
the designers and manufacturers that plus size women would actually
want to wear such trendy styles, even in 3x, 4x & 5x! Sometimes, we'd
even put the item on to show how good it looked on a curvy body. When
we couldn't make an item, we would find larger sizes at specialty
manufacturers but the prints were horrible (think the worst painting
(as a print) you have ever seen, in acetate (or other horrible
fabrics), on a shapeless garment). And they cost a FORTUNE. I didn't
realize women in this size range made so much money because garments
cut in larger sizes cost considerably more (at the wholesale level).
This is, if they exist at all.


We then decided we would try and at least get 4x & 5x cut from the
manufacturers we do the most business with. At first, it was like
pulling teeth. We paid the premium to get 4x & 5x, but the sizes 1x 2x
3x suffered as their costs went up as well (like a package deal). We
are doing a TV segment on the manufacturing process of clothes, and
you will all see what costs come into play when dealing with plus
sizes. After all the work, and begging, and pleading, and paying
premium prices for specialty sizing, what we found, however, was
disappointing. While we had many requests for 4x & 5x sizes, when push
came to shove (and the items were made in those sizes), the customers
were not there. Typically, we are stuck with a lot of size 1x as an
item goes through the sales process. 2x and 3x sizes sell the fastest.
Many plus manufacturers will agree with this statistic. When we cut 4x
& 5x, we realized we were left with a lot of 4x and 5x sizes as well.
Unsold. The styles we started with in 4x and 5x were our best sellers.
Items in which we had many requests from women stating - if you had it
in my size, I'd buy it in a second. Liars.


I read blogs all the time from women who are size 26+ (a basically
forgotten size in fashion). Many of these women are angry at the
fashion world. Upset that no one wants to cater to them. Upset that
they want to look stylish and fashionable and trendy. Upset because
they are sick of being ignored. Upset because plus models are size
8-14. Listen up ladies. You are not being ignored. You are being heard
LOUD AND CLEAR. Clothes have been made in your size. Fashionable
clothes. Trendy clothes. Affordable clothes. And you aren't buying.
That is plenty loud and clear enough for us to hear - and we say back
to you --- NO MORE (with all due respect, of course).


I remember the revolt that came when Old Navy stopped stocking plus
(well, they still have up to size 20) in their stores. And I took side
with Old Navy (and still do). This is why. The first time I heard of
this - my first thought was - "Old Navy sells plus size clothes in
their stores?". I had no idea. Meaning, I was never in there buying
anything - well, flip flops (they're $1.50). Meaning, clothes were
sitting on the shelves before they were sent to clearance (and perhaps
purchased at a loss, which is what happens when items have to go to
clearance). Why would Old Navy continue to waste valuable store space
for sizes that were not selling? If they were selling, and they were
so important to us, we should have been in there BUYING. Instead, we
b*tch and complain now. A lot of good it does us today.


Just like Old Navy, companies are eliminating or down sizing their
plus size lines, starting with the bigger sizes first. Many celebrity
lines have elminated plus altogether. You ask them why - and they have
a simple response, "It's not selling. We want to focus our business on
items that sell." Some people say - designers don't want to have their
clothes associated with fat people. Trust me, ladies and gentlemen,
designers have one thing on their mind when they design clothes, and
it is M-O-N-E-Y. If they make money on it, they want you wearing it.
Plain and simple. If there were a buzz around the fashion world that
plus women were dropping money like crazy, everyone and their brother
would be launching a plus size division.


Being a size 22 myself (and pregnant), I know I am pretty close to
falling over that line into a size that becomes very hard to shop for.
It scares me to death to think I may become a size 24 or 26 post
pregnancy (even if it is temporary) and I will have no place to shop
for clothes because, as a collective group, those sizes are
essentially removing themselves from being anyone's target
demographic, and no one wants to make affordable clothes in those sizes.


While the plus size industry continues to grow, the only plus related
industry that is growing is the diet industry. I personally feel there
is a relation between the diet industry and plus size fashion
industry, because, whether we like to admit it or not, the plus size
woman, by and large, is on the perpetual diet. This makes us great
diet product consumers and horrible fashion consumers. When I am
visiting our boutique, I see gorgeous curvy women walk out of the
dressing room, in an item that looks great on them, and say - I don't
want to buy it at this size. I am losing weight and I will be a size
18 in a month, I will come back in a month and buy it then. Needless
to say, we have yet to see someone come back a month later, the size
they said they would be, to buy the item in a smaller size. Some come
back to buy the size they initially tried on because their event is
coming up and they need something for the size they are now.


Current economic conditions aside, this is a huge problem for the
entire demographic.


Is this a gripe on women size 26+? Absolutely not. But, I want to know
- why is this demographic not in a desired demographic category? There
are certainly many women in this category. I have heard from many of
these women personally - saying they want more affordable and trendy
clothes.
What makes women in this size demographic actually commit to a purchase?

Ladies, speak up - are you down with companies removing their 4x & 5x
sizes? What should these women do? Do they even care? Are we clothing
companies who assumed we had to make everything up to 5x - well, were
we wrong? Is up to 3x enough?

Finally - are plus size women FASHION CONSUMERS? Do you have a closet
full of items that are in style (and in magazines) today?

Again, I know that this is a horrible economic climate and I don't
necessarily recommend going out and stocking your closet with clothes
when it is hard to figure out how to pay your rent/mortgage. But,
something has to be said - and I'm going to be bold enough to start
the conversation.
If we don't think about it now, pretty soon, sizes will continue to
be shaven off the top, and pretty soon, everyone is just carrying up
to size 18 or 20, which leaves a lot of us naked!*******End Post
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I got the post today from another clothing company via MySpace. It's not whether you believe it or not, it's about people's input on companies who are going to stop selling/manufacturing above a size 3X. It asks for consumers to give their input on why they feel the larger sizes aren't selling in these major trendy retail stores.
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Regardless of current possible truth in this post, I say that's why it is important to support as many plus sized providers as possible. Prove we're a money-making market, prove we're willing to put dollars (when we have them) where our whiny mouths are about choices, etc.

I try to spend my shopping dollars in a variety of places. Not everyone has clothes that appeal to me, just like anyone else here, but I do my best to drop dollars around and spread the word about those I enjoy and want to succeed. I hope we're all doing something similar in order to keep more variety in our choices.

I'd hate to ever, ever go back to the days of the Lane Bryant tucked away in a dark, horrible, sad store on the back side of the mall. Dreary, muumuu's wall to wall, and me trying desperately to find one thing that would make me feel like a normal kid.
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Thank You for your input, AnnMarie. I too don't want to go back to only having black or a mumu as an option. One complaint I get from people about the traditional stores and our competitors is that they are way out of budget range for many people, this includes Torrid. As for online stores, I personally don't want to spend $150 for a blouse. I've had friends who are seamstresses look at designs on other sites and tell me how overpriced the items were.
We see a trend on our own clothing site though in which the larger sizes aren't selling as much as the smaller ones. I try to not charge more for a 4-6 X than I do for a 1-3X item either, which is a practice I see online a lot.
It also depends on the style. But before I go on about my thoughts into the post and reasons why larger sizes aren't selling....I defer to everyone else.

Also, I'm doing some snooping around right now. I don't think Torrid carries 5X, so my speculation of the store the poster is referring to would be wrong.
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Also, I'm doing some snooping around right now. I don't think Torrid carries 5X, so my speculation of the store the poster is referring to would be wrong.
I've never seen a 5x at Torrid, and Old Navy doesn't carry them either... so that may (if it's true) eliminate those as possibilities.

I think the biggest issue with the larger of the plus sizes is other than word of mouth, it's VERY hard to know where to find extended sizes. If you're a woman who has no connection to online communities, I don't know if you'd have any idea there are even more options than Roaman's or LB catalog, etc. Most women, and many who are HERE, had NO clue that ON even sold extended sizes. We still have women who post all the time in our ON threads shocked the clothes are available or may fit them if they're over 350lbs.

Anyway, it's a multi-faceted issue in my mind... outreach, making women more comfortable in clothes that aren't the more traditional "fat lady" clothes, etc. And these options certainly aren't for everyone, but it's good to have choices and we're just as entitled as consumers to any other market segment.

I hope more women make their dollars speak, and I realize that's not easy in the current economy.
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Maybe it's because a lot of companies producing 4X or 5X aren't using patterns made for a BIG person, not just a fat person.

I'm almost 5'8" (which I would think is very close to average) and I am broad. I want to put on a 4X or 5X and actually be able to move my arms without exposing my belly button. In my opinion, so many of the "trendy" 4X sizes at Torrid are cut so frickin short and are such rotten quality that I don't shop there for clothes much. Just the occasional earrings or glittery thing.

When I find 4X or 5X tops long enough to look normal on me (like 30") they're dowdy giant floral print shapeless sacks. No, gracias. Oh, and they're like about 30% more expensive than the cute tops at Torrid.

So it's like being screwed both directions. Cute stuff is cheap junk that doesn't fit, big enough stuff is expensive and bland.

Maybe that's why we don't buy as much as we should, as implied by the sharp but rather arrogant person who wrote that message.

Don't get me wrong, I do find some gems. Roamans will get it right in about 3 out of 10 tries and there are other online shops that have fun things.

My budget is limited so I'm careful to buy quality clothes that fit; and I take care of them so they last a long time.

OR MAYBE....

The person who wrote this doesn't realize the first rule in sales - the customer is always right.

Getting all foul about how they don't buy as much as they should... pfft. Don't all sales people have that problem? Whaa whaa whaa. Suck it up buttercup. If you don't want to carry that size because YOU can't move it off your shelves, then don't produce it and leave that to the people who CAN sell it - and there's always someone who can. Don't blame your inability to order, produce, stock or market successfully on the customers.

Investing in a product is ALWAYS a gamble and not everyone wins. So quit bitching and just stop trying to stock that size. Duh.



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Maybe it's because a lot of companies producing 4X or 5X aren't using patterns made for a BIG person, not just a fat person.

...I want to put on a 4X or 5X and actually be able to move my arms without exposing my belly button. In my opinion, so many of the "trendy" 4X sizes at Torrid are cut so frickin short ...
I have that problem too. Too short, not enough room in the bust or under the bust, or no arm room (depending on the item)
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OR MAYBE....

The person who wrote this doesn't realize the first rule in sales - the customer is always right.

Getting all foul about how they don't buy as much as they should... pfft. Don't all sales people have that problem? Whaa whaa whaa. Suck it up buttercup. If you don't want to carry that size because YOU can't move it off your shelves, then don't produce it and leave that to the people who CAN sell it - and there's always someone who can.
Just so it's clear, I did not write the post itself. I only wrote the
intro. The rest is by Curvy Girl Clothing, which is not me, Curvy QT.
I'm interested in the input from everyone about what the post addresses though.
I checked and Torrid does not sell 5X, so I was wrong there. I'm
still checking on what store the post is referring to. LB and Ave
don't size that way either.
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Don't blame your inability to order, produce, stock or market successfully on the customers.

Investing in a product is ALWAYS a gamble and not everyone wins. So quit bitching and just stop trying to stock that size. Duh.
I think that's what CGC is saying is going to happen within the market. It took a long time to get extended sizes in fashionable wear to the market to begin with. What we don't need is it taken out again. Should we rush to anyone who makes above a 3X and buy their clothes if we don't like them? NOPE. However, we can give important and valuable input on what we see missing in the clothes to fit right. You mentioned length and arm fit,and the patterns. Patterns, I think are a major component. Traditionally, a size 8 pattern is turned into the larger sizes. I think that can skew the dimensions easily and cause fit problems.
I digress to hear more from you all.
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Two words - Marketing and Quality.

I had no idea Old Navy sold plus sizes until I heard that they were going to stop selling them. I was floored. All that time I could have been shopping there too. I've never once seen an ad for plus size clothing at Old Navy. In fact I never see ads on TV for plus size clothing. Only in print and online, and then it's only Lane Bryant. I never heard of torrid till I started posting on this site. I've never even seen a torrid in manhattan. I think if they spent more money on advertising they'd all see better business.

Often the large size clothes are poor quality. I refuse to spend damn near $100 on something that's going to fall apart after a couple washes. I remember getting an underwire bra from lane bryant that had a hole where the seam is that keeps the underwire in place. After wearing it once the underwire started poking thru. Then there is the fact that the clothes often don't fit right. I know thin people have this same problem, but at least they can go to different stores and find out which ones make clothes that best fit their bodies. I swear the clothes for plus sizes are ALL made with the idea that we all have big swollen bellies that poke out really far rather than bellies that hang down, and tiny fucking stick arms and legs. I always have more room in the torso than I do in the arms, and for some women the waists in jeans are not wide enough but the legs are too big. Then the patterns and fabrics - ugh! Throw up patterns in polyesther or rayon? Or matronly looking clothes...like every fat woman is somebody's grandma. Even grandmas don't want to wear a lot of the proffered clothes. One thing that drives me the most crazy is that the shirts are never long enough. It's like they took a sewing pattern for a smaller woman and just made it wider instead of correctly proportioned - for different body shapes, especially since in a fat woman those shapes can vary widely. If the clothes were more tailored like with men's clothes I think then they'd be worth the money. Also, because of all the aforementioned reasons, I hate shopping and only do it when I need clothes. And then only when I have a coupon.
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While I don't completely believe this forward, I do remember when Ashley Stewart and Layne Bryant carried larger sizes than they do now. And that has been years ago, so I guess the conspiracy started long ago.
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Exactly. Most plus size companies cut costs by taking a pattern for average size clothing and basically enlarging it to get a bigger size. This means half the time I try on a pair of size 24 pants, there's a good 6" of excess hem on the leg and while the waist fits width-wise, it comes 4-5" past my natural waist. It's not like I'm a pygmy, either, I'm 5'7. Also, if I try on a dress, either the bottom is too tight or I'm swimming in a top that's meant for someone with the shoulders of a lumberjack and a Russ Meyer quality rack.

Maybe if the largest chunk of manufacturers actually paid attention to the actual shape of their plus size demographic, which is a huge chunk of the American market these days, rather than think of us as an extra money-making afterthought, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY BUY SOMETHING.
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Hmmpf. Interesting. Being a plus size clothing designer and teeny tiny manufacturer, I find this interesting. I've often considered doing the opposite, dropping my 1x - 3x range, and only doing the 4x - 6x. At least 90% of my sales are in the 4x - 6x range.

It is a problem, trying to combine whats "stylish" with what customers will actually buy. And the larger sizes do have their own special fit issues, for sure. Many supersize (4x - 6x) customers have their own, body specific requirements for a garment. Some common ones are: they will only wear a sleeve that comes to at least the elbow, they will only wear a top that is at least, say 36" long, the fabric has to have enough weight not to cling...etc., etc. Add into that mix the fact that you have to appeal to a full age range, and a range of style tastes (from goth to artsy to classic), a range of clothing budgets, and you really don't have a big customer base for any one particular garment. After doing this for 10 years...I've had to change my designs really to stay in business. For example, the longer the top is (36 - 38" being optimal), the more I will sell. Even though for myself, personally, I prefer a shorter top. I still offer them, because there are a few who like them, but hardly sell any. Ditto for skirts. Also, the looser, or more A-line a garment is, the more it will sell. So, even though I would like to design and offer more fitted items...there comes a point when I have to pay the bills, and I try to give the customers more of what they actually buy. I still throw in some pieces for my own esthetic as well, but I'm not going to beat my head against the wall, and risk going out of business.

All of which is to say, I have sympathies on both sides of the fence. I appreciate the frustrations of customers, and of some stores/manufacturers. But for the most part, I don't think the maufacturers are trying hard enough. They give it a half-ass go, and when it fails....they don't press into the issue to find out WHY it didn't sell. I'm sure many times the problem could be corrected. Marketing and fit problems are both things that can be corrected.

I hate to see anyone go out of the plus size business...that just doesn't help anyone.
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I just bought the first clothes I'd bought since the beginning of September this weekend, because I've seriously found nothing that was both close enough to my style and in my size in the intervening months. And what I did find was -one- shirt and a pair of pants that were the same as the pair of pants I bought in August, only a different color.

I am a bit picky, I admit, but even freakin' Wal-mart has been carrying next to nothing in larger sizes. (I used to have the best luck there, within the amount I'm willing to spend on clothes...) Even online I've found little that appealed to me, and I don't think it's because fashion sucks right now. Really, it doesn't--I like the current style of shirts, and yet this weekend's find was the first really good one I've seen in my size in a while. It's been all clown stuff recently when I've looked.

If I weren't so flippin' busy at work, I'd be on my sewing machine a bit more. I wear my clothes to pieces, at least the stuff that fits right and feels good. And then I go right on wearing them, because there's nothing new worth buying.
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What pisses me off is that many if not most stores do not advertise the plus clothes very well. Why would I go into old navy at my size to look for my size if I did not know about them!!!
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I think the biggest issue with the larger of the plus sizes is other than word of mouth, it's VERY hard to know where to find extended sizes. If you're a woman who has no connection to online communities, I don't know if you'd have any idea there are even more options than Roaman's or LB catalog, etc. Most women, and many who are HERE, had NO clue that ON even sold extended sizes. We still have women who post all the time in our ON threads shocked the clothes are available or may fit them if they're over 350lbs.
I bought my first items from ON just a few months ago. I had no idea that their items would fit me. I took a chance, the items fit, and I have been back three times since then! You are right. If it hadn't been for this wonderful forum and the word of mouth that is generated about clothing and other plus size products, I would probably still be wearing plain tshirts and jeans. The ON stuff may be only available online, but it is better than nothing IMHO. So, spread the word about the places you like, and more people will come to spend their hard earned money there. And, in turn, hopefully the businesses will stay in business!
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I really like the dialogue going on here. Great insight,some of which are the same fit issues I personally have.
I talked to a recent FIDM grad, and she said they barely even touch upon how to make plus size patterns. I know you can't just take an 8 and expect it to correctly fit the upper sizes.
Also, when it comes to pants, I've had many friends tell me that because they have small waists and bigger behinds,its super hard to find pants that fit right.
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I want to echo what others have said about knowing about these plus size offers. I didn't even know about Old Navy until coming here. Actually quite a few online plus stores, i had no idea about. I have done my share of online shopping in the last couple of years because of this forum.
Getting the word out that a store does indeed carry larger sizes would be a great coup in getting customers to buy.
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Exactly. You would think it would be obvious to stores, but no.

If I'm a 4X or a 5X and a store has never carried my sizes before, why would I go in there? If I'm not in there, and they don't advertise they're carrying larger sizes, how am I supposed to know they exist? Of COURSE you're not going to sell extended sizes - no one knows you have them!

The bookstore at my college never carried extended sizes - a group I was involved with lobbied for them. They didn't listen, and didn't listen, and wouldn't consider it...and then one day they said "Hey, we've had extended sizes here for two months and no one's bought any." YOU DIDN'T TELL ANYONE YOU HAD THEM, YOU IDJITS! If the people LOBBYING to get extended sizes didn't know you had them, how is anyone else going to know?!
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Of COURSE you're not going to sell extended sizes - no one knows you have them!
I just thought of something. Do any of you feel that perhaps stores don't openly advertise that they are selling extended sizes, because they are in some way ashamed that they do? Like they don't want to alienate their smaller clientele by making THEM feel like they are shopping at a place that caters to fat people? So, they do stock the extended sizes, maybe in limited quantities or in the back of the store, don't advertise them for fear of some sort of repercussion if they do, and then get miffed about the fat people not buying their product even though we may have lobbied or asked for it? Just something I was thinking about and wanted to get opinions on.
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I just thought of something. Do any of you feel that perhaps stores don't openly advertise that they are selling extended sizes, because they are in some way ashamed that they do? Like they don't want to alienate their smaller clientele by making THEM feel like they are shopping at a place that caters to fat people? So, they do stock the extended sizes, maybe in limited quantities or in the back of the store, don't advertise them for fear of some sort of repercussion if they do, and then get miffed about the fat people not buying their product even though we may have lobbied or asked for it? Just something I was thinking about and wanted to get opinions on.
I absolutely think that's an issue - not so much the shame because a buck's a buck to the big retailers, but I think there's some concern that the average sized public may be reluctant to clothes shop in a store that includes a well publicized plus-size section. I mean, if Old Navy becomes synonymous with plus-sized clothing, a lot of average-sized women walking in there will all of a sudden feel extremely self-conscious (ever watched an average sized woman skirt the plus-size section of a department store? It's actually pretty funny.)

So yes, I think the lack of advertising - either for this reason or because it's a small company without sufficient funds for broad advertising - very much are to blame for this phenomenon, as well as the aforementioned issues with fit and the vast differences in shapes between fat sizes that weigh the same, and most of all, style. I mean, Torrid has some nice things, but their demographic is fairly specific in terms of style. I'm 38 and while I think some of their clothes are pretty cute, they're not really appropriate for me and my lifestyle. I know what I like, I know what I look very good in, and I have a hell of a time finding it. I've recently been working on cranking my work clothes up a notch to be a bit more stylish/professional, and I can't find a single fricking fitted button down shirt with princess seaming that fits my hips without being too snug. I mean, I'm not looking for a pink tutu with hippos on it here, I just want a tidy button-down shirt that fits and isn't a tent on me. It boggles my mind that I can't find it anywhere. Anyway, that's just one example of many.

Oy. Sorry, I'm a little pent up, evidently. It's a frustrating situation on all sides, it would appear.
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I don't think that thin people would be afraid to shop in a store that sold plus sizes. I see thin women in lane bryant all the time. It actually drives me crazy. Why is someone who is clearly barely a size 12 shopping there? I see men shop there too sometimes.

It drives me crazy too when my thin friends think a 1x would fit me or that a 2x would seem like a crazy size. If they were used to seeing larger sizes in their stores they'd probably just not notice anymore, and wouldn't care. The only kinds of stores where I'd think having a larger size would be anathema is in high end designer store.
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Yeah, I disagree. Average-sized women seen in a Lane Bryant obviously don't have an issue with it, else they wouldn't have chosen to go in there. I didn't say all non-fat women would dislike the association, but I do think many would.

Agree to disagree and all that good stuff.
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Yeah, I disagree. Average-sized women seen in a Lane Bryant obviously don't have an issue with it, else they wouldn't have chosen to go in there. I didn't say all non-fat women would dislike the association, but I do think many would.

Agree to disagree and all that good stuff.
I just can't imagine how someone who shops in say Banana Republic or the gap or forever 21 would care...I guess I'd have to take your word for it since I don't ever go into clothing stores that don't sell plus sizes unless I'm buying gift cards. I just never stay long enough to pay attention to what other people are doing and saying...
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I don't think that thin people would be afraid to shop in a store that sold plus sizes. I see thin women in lane bryant all the time. It actually drives me crazy. Why is someone who is clearly barely a size 12 shopping there? I see men shop there too sometimes.

It drives me crazy too when my thin friends think a 1x would fit me or that a 2x would seem like a crazy size. If they were used to seeing larger sizes in their stores they'd probably just not notice anymore, and wouldn't care. The only kinds of stores where I'd think having a larger size would be anathema is in high end designer store.
Just playing devil's ad for a moment -- but, how do you know what size a woman is just by looking at her? And why do you care that much if she's shopping in a fat chick store? One thing I'm told often is that I don't look like I'd wear a 2x, but I do...guess it's all in the way one wears one's weight. Not only that but, I shop EVERYWHERE. Yes, EVERYWHERE. Even places I know probably wouldn't fit me clothes-wise...I'll buy accessories in Wet Seal, Charlotte Russe, etc. Doesn't really matter to me and to be honest, it shouldn't matter to anyone else...money is green whether you're spending it at LB or Gap.

btw -- depending on what size you are in the plus size spectrum, you might be able to wear things from Gap or Wet Seal Especially the stuff that stretches...it's all about trying stuff out for me, at least.

ETA - I think some thinner women have a bit of an issue shopping with fat chicks in higher end stores. I've witnessed it while shopping in Macys on an occassion - two women were snickering and laughing while holding up a pair of pants, oogling at how big they were - so I shot them a "what the hell are you doing and if you don't leave I'll eat you for lunch, literally" kinda look...and they just kinda went on about their business. I will say that even in those department stores - Saks, Macy's, Carson's, etc. while it's great they have a plus size department...it's geared toward much older women and it's so small! Like in a tiny corner small! So that's why plus size "boutiquey" like brands are important for me.
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