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Old 02-07-2009, 06:10 AM   #26
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I imagine myself in their place, unable to walk, run and enjoy freedom of movement. I take all those things for granted and they form a huge part of my quality of life... Its difficult to imagine how I'd feel if part of my liberty as a human being was dependant on a battery-powered wheelchair of any sort?
The thing is, James, a lot of people of size are MORE free to do the things they want to do by using a scooter or other mobility device.

For example, I have a pretty significant back issue that puts me in serious, immobilizing pain some days. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of Target and be in so much pain that I have trouble walking. It has gotten to a point where, on really bad days, if there isn't a scooter for me to use at a store, I just can't go. A scooter gives me the freedom to shop without pain and anxiety. I am actually MORE active than I would be if scooters weren't available.

I guess I just don't see scooters as a limiting factor for me. They help me when I need them, and I don't need anyone's pity for it. Most importantly, I don't think anyone should be ashamed to use a mobility device if they need one.
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sorry... don't mean to threadcrash... and I'm not hating on scooter-lovers but they do zip zero for me...

In fact, mechanised wheelchairs of any sort only generate feelings of sympathy and general pity for me...
I doubt the beautiful women who posted their pics in this thread were looking for your sympathy and pity. This thread was meant to honor the women who chose to overcome whatever physical obstacles they have in order to take part in some of the activities you and I take for granted. Rather than looking at these women with pity, try to notice their strength and fortitude.
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sorry... don't mean to threadcrash... and I'm not hating on scooter-lovers but they do zip zero for me...

In fact, mechanised wheelchairs of any sort only generate feelings of sympathy and general pity for me...

I imagine myself in their place, unable to walk, run and enjoy freedom of movement. I take all those things for granted and they form a huge part of my quality of life... Its difficult to imagine how I'd feel if part of my liberty as a human being was dependant on a battery-powered wheelchair of any sort?
If you knew this was a 'threadcrash', and was bound to make the ladies who need scooters feel bad why... oh never mind, a bad post James.
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The thing is, James, a lot of people of size are MORE free to do the things they want to do by using a scooter or other mobility device.

For example, I have a pretty significant back issue that puts me in serious, immobilizing pain some days. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of Target and be in so much pain that I have trouble walking. It has gotten to a point where, on really bad days, if there isn't a scooter for me to use at a store, I just can't go. A scooter gives me the freedom to shop without pain and anxiety. I am actually MORE active than I would be if scooters weren't available.

I guess I just don't see scooters as a limiting factor for me. They help me when I need them, and I don't need anyone's pity for it. Most importantly, I don't think anyone should be ashamed to use a mobility device if they need one.
I would rub your back (and belly ) and help you in and out of a scooter anytime you wanted Ashley

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First I want to say "thank you" to Soup and Ashley for their great posts, they really put it best. What I'm going to try to do is add my own experience and share another angle.


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sorry... don't mean to threadcrash... and I'm not hating on scooter-lovers but they do zip zero for me...


In fact, mechanised wheelchairs of any sort only generate feelings of sympathy and general pity for me...

I imagine myself in their place, unable to walk, run and enjoy freedom of movement. I take all those things for granted and they form a huge part of my quality of life... Its difficult to imagine how I'd feel if part of my liberty as a human being was dependant on a battery-powered wheelchair of any sort?

This saddens me but doesn't surprise me, it only confirms what I suspected of most people, but men (FAs?) specifically. I was very interested to see what type of reaction this thread would create because from my own experience I have suspected that even FAs view women in scooters in a different light, with pity and sympathy and even possibly less attractive.

I don't use a scooter in everyday life. I want to keep myself as mobile as possible and at my size, I think I do pretty well. I do however, use a scooter when I go on vacation. Lately my only vacations consist of going to the Vegas bash which is a week long series of events held at a large hotel where everything is spread out. I know that if I were to do it without the scooter, I would only be able to make a day or two before I was completely wore out because the amount of walking to and from events, others hotel rooms, etc is much more than I am used to in a general day. Add in getting maybe 4 or 5 hours sleep a day and that equals getting sick too.

As difficult as it was for me to make the decision to use a scooter at this event, I am glad I made it. I had pride issues at first, I wanted to be able to do it without a scooter but then I seen others who were using scooters as well and I listened to their stories and I realized that I would miss out on so much by not taking advantage of scooter use.

But there is a cost. I've seen and continue to see each year, the looks of pity by some (not all). I've even had guys say to me after attending the bash "you're always on that scooter, do you ever get off of it?" Ouch! I get off of it almost every chance I can that makes sense. Often seating is limited in the hallways or impromptu gathering areas and I simply stay on the scooter so it allows someone else to use a chair or space that I would take away just so I could "get off the scooter". Also getting on and off a 100+ times a day can be wear and tear on the knees and back. Soupy and Ashley gave great accounts of

Something else I've noticed on more of a man/woman interaction is that guys I had been chatting with off the scooter (they didn't know I was using one, hadn't seen me use it) treated me differently once they spotted me on the scooter. OUCH again. So now, in a situation that is supposed to be a week of Fatopoia or Fat Camp where we can let our hair down and relax and feel 'normal', I have to feel like an outcast again. And I'm not implying that everyone reacts in the same manner, but I'm seen it enough to know its not a limited case. And I am not saying its only men, I experienced the same amount of looks from women as men. And I would imagine the few guys I see on scooters at the bash have the experienced the same. So this is not all on men, I'm only sharing my experience as it relates to a social man/woman interaction as Judge_Dre originally posted. So I am disappointed in the lack of response. Not because I think all guys should feel the same way as Judge_Dre, I was just hoping to see a few more who appreciate his view.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinions James, but I hope you take to heart what Ashley, Soup and I have said and maybe it will change your outlook a bit.

ETA: thanks to Judge_Dre and those out there who love the scooter babes, no matter what reason we use them.
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Old 02-07-2009, 10:17 AM   #31
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I doubt the beautiful women who posted their pics in this thread were looking for your sympathy and pity. This thread was meant to honor the women who chose to overcome whatever physical obstacles they have in order to take part in some of the activities you and I take for granted. Rather than looking at these women with pity, try to notice their strength and fortitude.
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Thank you for posting this thread, Dre. Sincerely.

I've resisted getting a scooter - so far, I've been fortunate in maintaining mobility without one. When I go to Disney World, though, at the Dims bash this year, I'd planned on renting one. However, I was afraid (stupidly, I know) that I was going to feel unattractive while riding it. Now that I know there are men who actually LIKE seeing that kind of thing - well, I'll be using one a lot more freely. Thanks.
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sorry... don't mean to threadcrash... and I'm not hating on scooter-lovers but they do zip zero for me...

In fact, mechanised wheelchairs of any sort only generate feelings of sympathy and general pity for me...

I imagine myself in their place, unable to walk, run and enjoy freedom of movement. I take all those things for granted and they form a huge part of my quality of life... Its difficult to imagine how I'd feel if part of my liberty as a human being was dependant on a battery-powered wheelchair of any sort?
Well....there went that...it was nice while it lasted.
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Well....there went that...it was nice while it lasted.
Ginny, don't let that stop you. I know how you feel, but not all guys are going to feel the same way (contrary to what my post might imply). And you should never let what anyone else is going to think stand in your way of enjoying life, I didn't add that to my post above. I read James' post and walked away for to do other things and let myself think and formulate what I wanted to respond and I waited so long to return that I forgot half of what I wanted to say.

Despite my disappointment in the pity views, I am not going to let it stop me using a scooter when I want to. I have wasted too much of my life not doing things because I knew I wouldn't be able to handle the physical stress. Enough! That stops here. I guess I've gone from depressed to angry in a matter of minutes.

You (we) are attractive in or out of a scooter and to hell with anyone else (man or woman) who thinks otherwise and can't accept it.
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I might get yelled at for this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I don't think James' intent was to hurt. He probably should have just navigated away from the thread, but I know for some FAs, there is a sense of guilt for desiring a woman who might need a scooter. Now, I am not saying scooters are a bad thing, I'm just laying this out. Does not reflect my opinion, etc. A lot of FAs want women to live full, vibrant lives and may not feel the can in a scooter. I don't THINK this is true, but I personally cannot say as I have never used one. BUT. I think we should cut him a little slack. I think he meant well. I hope.
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I certainly didn't mean anything against James. I know he meant well - he's a good person. It was just that he's the first FA I've heard express that, and it was a reminder that yeah, good FAs DO feel that way (pity...sympathy), and obviously that's not a feeling I want to inspire in FAs.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not going to let that stop me from using one at Disney, as there's no other way in hell I could do the whole park and not be exhausted, and I'm not going to miss out on it since I might not have another chance anytime soon - I just won't necessarily feel attractive doing it. That's not what the day's about anyway, though - it will be about enjoying fun with my fattie friends - and I'm really looking forward to it.
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Last September, Mrs Ho Ho and I were cruising along a bicycle trail on a day-ride that would total 55 miles before we returned home. The autumn day was beautiful. The trail alternated sunlit meadows and shaded forests. On our bikes, on a day like this, the aches and pains of old age and 'excess' weight are somehow forgotten, and we felt free and happy.

The birds were everywhere, singing out their joy of being alive.

Along the trail, far from the nearest town, we encountered a very large woman on an electric scooter, pulled over off the side of the trail. We stopped, partially just to pass the time of day, partially because we feared that her battery had died and she needed some assistance.

She was fine, was enjoying the day and the trail just as we were, and had pulled over the better to listen to the birds. She assured us that she had plenty of battery left for the homeward trip.

We were free and happy. She, too, was free and happy.

Ah, life is good!
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Last September, Mrs Ho Ho and I were cruising along a bicycle trail on a day-ride that would total 55 miles before we returned home. The autumn day was beautiful. The trail alternated sunlit meadows and shaded forests. On our bikes, on a day like this, the aches and pains of old age and 'excess' weight are somehow forgotten, and we felt free and happy.

The birds were everywhere, singing out their joy of being alive.

Along the trail, far from the nearest town, we encountered a very large woman on an electric scooter, pulled over off the side of the trail. We stopped, partially just to pass the time of day, partially because we feared that her battery had died and she needed some assistance.

She was fine, was enjoying the day and the trail just as we were, and had pulled over the better to listen to the birds. She assured us that she had plenty of battery left for the homeward trip.

We were free and happy. She, too, was free and happy.

Ah, life is good!
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I might get yelled at for this, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I don't think James' intent was to hurt. He probably should have just navigated away from the thread, but I know for some FAs, there is a sense of guilt for desiring a woman who might need a scooter. Now, I am not saying scooters are a bad thing, I'm just laying this out. Does not reflect my opinion, etc. A lot of FAs want women to live full, vibrant lives and may not feel the can in a scooter. I don't THINK this is true, but I personally cannot say as I have never used one. BUT. I think we should cut him a little slack. I think he meant well. I hope.
No yelling, I see your points.

Speaking only for myself, I don't think his intent was to hurt either, but it did strike a nerve. I have always respected James and think he is one of the good guys, but am saddened he feels the way he does.

What I was trying to point out (and I think the others) is that he and other FAs shouldn't feel guilty for desiring anyone who needs a scooter because scooters actually help us to live fuller, more vibrant lives.
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sorry... don't mean to threadcrash... and I'm not hating on scooter-lovers but they do zip zero for me...

In fact, mechanised wheelchairs of any sort only generate feelings of sympathy and general pity for me...

I imagine myself in their place, unable to walk, run and enjoy freedom of movement. I take all those things for granted and they form a huge part of my quality of life... Its difficult to imagine how I'd feel if part of my liberty as a human being was dependant on a battery-powered wheelchair of any sort?
I too believe that you meant no harm or disruption. While I understand your sentiments about people who require mobility devices, there's an error in your statement, and perhaps that leads to a misunderstanding. The women in question here are (generally) not dependent on scooters - they are simply taking advantage of mobility assistance. They do not require these devices to live their lives, but simply choose to utilize them so that their lives and activities are more comfortable. They are not disabled. In that sense - they should not be viewed with pity or sympathy at all (not that the disabled want or deserve pity - but that's another topic). They are just... people... using what is available to enjoy easier, more comfortable and happier lives. No different than those who use a big umbrella or shopping cart.

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No yelling, I see your points.

Speaking only for myself, I don't think his intent was to hurt either, but it did strike a nerve. I have always respected James and think he is one of the good guys, but am saddened he feels the way he does.

What I was trying to point out (and I think the others) is that he and other FAs shouldn't feel guilty for desiring anyone who needs a scooter because scooters actually help us to live fuller, more vibrant lives.
I agree, which is why I think it's good this discussion is up! I think via discussion and setting an example at bashes/gatherings, maybe some of the stigma can be removed.
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Like Judge Dre, I'm just being honest about my thoughts on scooters here.

He finds them a turn on because they are an indicator of an approach towards immobolity and I find them pretty depressing for the same reason. Its not an attack on an individual that they should choose to, or need to, use a scooter. I would treat anyone with equal respect regardless of whether they are in a wheelchair or otherwise.

Again, speaking from my personal perspective, I would not wish to (voluntarily or otherwise) exchange the use of my own limbs for a wheelchair so if I project that notion onto those that are disabled, injured or even simply just made the choice to do so because its easier for them, I feel a degree of empathy and sadness about their predicament. I re-iterate that these feelings would not change my level of respect towards a person in a scooter... I just wouldnt derive any pleasure from seeing them there...
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I agree, which is why I think it's good this discussion is up! I think via discussion and setting an example at bashes/gatherings, maybe some of the stigma can be removed.
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Old 02-07-2009, 12:15 PM   #43
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I think we all understand what you're saying James, it's just that it was insensitive

There are a lot of women on these boards who need, or just conveniently use scooters, myself included. So to just throw that in the middle of the thread like that was insensitive. None of us want to be reminded that there are people who may pity us for using a scooter (or any other size related matter), especially here in these forums.

There may be some other lurking woman reading this thread who needs to use a scooter and feels hesitant about it. I know i felt hesitant when i first started using them. To see encouraging posts might allow her to feel more able to use one and go enjoy her life more fully. In turn, a discouraging post might make her feel even worse about her need to use them. Those are just my thoughts about it though

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Like Judge Dre, I'm just being honest about my thoughts on scooters here.

He finds them a turn on because they are an indicator of an approach towards immobolity and I find them pretty depressing for the same reason.

so if I project that notion onto those that are disabled, injured or even simply just made the choice to do so because its easier for them, I feel a degree of empathy and sadness about their predicament.

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Old 02-07-2009, 12:25 PM   #44
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I was waiting for someone to post something that was hurtful to those of us who use scooters.

First - let me be blunt:

I don't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about me riding my scooter. I ride it everywhere I can, including my friend Pauls' farm, which is like off roadin' for me. I love my scooter, I have my freedom back. I refuse to allow anyone to make me feel badly about my scooter.

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I have met more people since getting my scooter than I ever have in my life. So many people want to know where I got it or comment on how much fun it must me. I have no regrets about getting one.

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Pity? Please - my life is so much fuller now that it was before my scooter. Don't pity me - I'm probably having more fun than you.

So ladies - if you need a scooter, get one. Hold your head high while riding it. People who criticize you are just jealous. Scoot away ladies!!
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Your post is honest Jim but I found it unnecessary and I disagree with your sentiment completely.

SSBBWs have limited mobility, that's reality, and if you find that pitiful then I highly suggest you don't ever get involved with one.

Also Jim is not a barometer for other FAs, many, dare I say most of us know the realities of SSBBWs and we don't feel this way at all.


"There are a lot of women on these boards who need, or just conveniently use scooters, myself included. So to just throw that in the middle of the thread like that was insensitive. None of us want to be reminded that there are people who may pity us for using a scooter (or any other size related matter), especially here in these forums."

-Exactly

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Also Jim is not a barometer for other FAs, many, dare I say most of us know the realities of SSBBWs and we don't feel this way at all.
I may or may not be a barometer for other FAs but I can say with complete confidence that I have always tried to understand the realities of SSBBWs; both as friends and as girlfriends... However, I dont think a relatively thin FA, such as myself, can actually 'know' what its like to factor in carrying around several hundred extra pounds in their daily life... I can only guess how it might feel to lose mobility and I'm not enthusiastic about it.

Wheelchairs provide increased liberty for those that are disabled. I understand that and I'm not attacking it at all. I'm just respectfully expressing a different perspective on scooter use to the OP. I think that should be ok to do on a forum... right?

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Since I started using scooters off and on (big parks, giant Vegas hotels, CT casinos, etc) years back, I've been very lucky to be with FAs who supported that choice and still held their head high when with me.

A long term boyfriend who was with me in Vegas more than a few times was so "ok" with it that he'd walk beside me holding one hand while I steered with the other.

Did I like the idea of using the scooter? Not really, but it made my entire trip easier in ways I can't fully articulate. To not have to choose "if" I want to go to the pool because the room is Soooo far away and then the pool is soooooo far away from that. Without the scooter I'd likely just choose to stay put - call it lazy if you want, but it's a choice made to preserve health and energy for later. If I spend the entire first 3 days of an 8 day trip in Vegas hauling my ass all over a giant hotel, by day 4 I'm probably going to have something that's going to slow me way down and I might miss things. I don't want to miss things.

Scooters, as others have said, can lend a level of liberty and freedom that many fat women haven't felt in a long time.

When I'm in FL this year and at an amusement park, I will DEFINITELY be on a scooter. I will see everything I want, enjoy my day, have a small breeze at my face instead of panting, sweating and seeing maybe only half of what I would otherwise.

I'm fully able to walk around and do things, but why should I put all that effort in to doing something that can be "challenging" for even the most normal weight among us?

I don't have anything to prove - I have a life to live and if the scooter makes it a bit more rounded because of taking the dread and anxiety out of a giant amusement park?? Sign me up.

I'm thankful that I've had the supportive FAs I have in my life... who are understanding about how much happier I am when things in my life are just that much easier and one click less challenging.
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I said this in my original post, but it bears repeating: my scooter gave me my life back. As others have pointed out, many of us are MORE active because of access to scooters. It's not a manifestation of a life bound by limitations. Quite the opposite.

For example, I can shop for myself again. I can go to a big amusement park and see the entire place without having to spend the next day in bed recovering. I don't use one because I'm headed toward immobility. I'm simply taking advantage of the opportunity to do more and see more than my short fat diabetic body can do on its own.
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I'm guessing i'll probably be ignored again lol

Everyone has a right to express an opinion, but what's wrong with expressing it in a way that doesn't hurt someone's feelings. Especially a specific group of people on the forum. When ladies have posted pictures of themselves on scooters, and there are a whole bunch of other women on here who have not posted pics of themselves on scooters, but may use them, why announce to everyone that you feel pity for us? What good does that serve? You didn't merely say that you disagreed with the poster, you went on to say something hurtful to other people and that was the offense.

Some people might respectfully come in here and say that we ALL need to lose weight because they pity us because we can't buy clothes at a normal store.

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I really don't want to continue this thread now that it has digressed from its original intentions. James you admit it yourself that you are "threadjacking" this thread. If you actually paid attention to my original post you would see that it's not the immobility that attracted me. In fact I stated I love seeing big women being able to go anywhere they want. I prefer seeing fat jiggle when a girl walks. I'm just appreciating an other aspect about SSBBWs that is often not expressed. This is the Weight Board which is meant for postive discussions on sexuality and attraction. My post requested feedback from people who want to honor and praise these women. If you want to start a more serious discussion about the pros and cons of this subject, you could have started your own thread rather than hijacking this one. I feel like just by posting this I fell into some annoying troll trick to digress from the original post.
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