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Old 02-05-2009, 02:09 PM   #1
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German teenager Kim Petras who became the world's youngest transsexual after undergoing an operation at the age of just 16 says she can't wait for the summer so she can try out a whole new wardrobe of tight fitting clothes.

The pop singer - born Tim - is well known in Germany for having started hormone replacement therapy as part of her gender transition by the age of 12.

Now 16, she completed Gender Reassignment Surgery in November, according to a posting on her blog.




Girl in a boy's body: Pop singer Kim Petras, 16, may have become the world's youngest transsexual after completing gender reassignment surgery last November

Dr Bernd Meyenburg who heads the Psychiatric Special Outpatient Clinic for Children and Adolescents with Identity Disorders at the University of Frankfurt Hospital said: 'Very few youth psychiatrists have any experience with transsexual developments. The families wander from one psychiatrist to the next.

'I was always against such operations on children so young but after seeing how happy one of my patients was and how well adjusted after returning from having the operation abroad while still a teenager I realised that in some cases it is the right decision.

'Kim is such a case she always knew what she wanted.'

Kim herself said: 'Everything has changed because of this operation. I just can't wait to put on my favourite bathing suit and go swimming like I've never done before.

'I had to wait until my 16th birthday but once that was past I was able legally to have the operation.


'I know that because of my past people will always bring up the subject, I can't get away from it. But I hope that one day I might be better known for something else like my music.'

In Germany, such operations are not usually allowed until the patient is 18.

However Kim managed to convince doctors when she was just 12 that she should have the surgery.

By 14 she was officially registered as a girl - and was already famous for her choice.

The costs of her procedure were covered by health insurance as her condition was officially diagnosed as an illness.

Dr Achim Wuesthof, an endocrinologist specialising in children and adolescents, who was treating Kim at a clinic in Hamburg, said that he and his colleagues felt that in this case it had been best to start earlier.

He said: 'To the best of my knowledge, Kim is the youngest sex change patient in the world.

'According to German law, two independent psychiatrists must confirm that the child is indeed transsexual and approve the sex change. Once that has been done, it is best to start as early as possible.

'Transsexuals experience the onset of puberty, and the physical changes it brings, as a serious trauma.


'But there is a general lack of empathy with cases like Kim's, mostly because people know little about the condition. Imagine a man that suddenly starts growing breasts or a woman that starts growing a beard against their will that is how Kim and people like her experience puberty.

'They are not freaks, nor do they suffer mental illness. They are simply trapped in the wrong bodies. That is why it is best to help them as early as possible and reduce the trauma for them and their families.'

Last year Kim was signed to Joyce Records and released online her first single 'Last Forever'.

It became a YouTube and MySpace hit.

In September - just weeks before the cosmetic surgery finalising her transition from a male to a female -she released her first commercially available single 'Fade Away' into the German market.

Kim said: 'I was asked if I feel like a woman now but the truth is I have always felt like a woman I just ended up in the wrong body.

'I had a problem because I couldn't wear skinny stuff, but now I can wear whatever I want to. I really am looking forward to going swimming like everyone else and to wearing tight jeans that show off my figure. They are so tight, I always felt quite uncomfortable in them until now.

'Now I can go as tight as I want to. I used to wear mini skirts too, but yes, now even the tight ones can be part of my wardrobe.

'I can enjoy swimming, and bikinis, go in the changing rooms without a problem, everything has changed because of this operation. I just can't wait to put on my favourite bathing suit and go swimming like I've never done before.'

Kim, who is now studying fashion design, began calling herself a girl when she was just two years old.

Her father Lutz said: 'I suppose it took me longer than my wife to accept it, but Kim is a very persuasive girl, she knows what she wants and how to get it.

'I am very proud of what she has achieved, how she has managed to get there and how she sticks to her dreams no matter how hard and painful they are to follow.'

This is from the DailyMail, looking at her I would never belive she was born a boy!
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:41 PM   #2
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Now 16, she completed Gender Reassignment Surgery in November, according to a posting on her blog.

That's pretty intense. But she knew from the get-go that something wasn't right and that's a pretty amazing thing to stand up for. I hope she has a great life, the kind she wants.

Cool story, George.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:49 PM   #3
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Ooooh!
Can I steal this and take it to my Gender Studies class? I think my teacher would shit herself over this story [in a good way].

We've been looking at the physical and psychological viewpoints of Gender Reassignment Surgery...and I have to say, that no matter what side of the fence you are on, it's a heated debate!!
All I have to say on the matter is; I believe that we intrinsically know who we are, from the time we are young--we are aware of our gender identity.
She looks and sounds very happy and well-adjusted, and I am so happy to hear that this has all worked out so well for her. It's not an easy transition for most, and for an unlucky few, the medical procedures don't go well and they end up more physically and psychologically scarred then anyone should be.

Thanks for sharing and getting this story out there, Darling!!!

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Old 02-05-2009, 02:53 PM   #4
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Yea steal away I stole it from another forum lol.

She even sounds like a girl, this is her song Last Forever.
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I actually saw this article this morning and thought about posting, but figured someone would have already beat me to it :P
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When you read this story and look at this beautiful girl, how anyone, anywhere can be against transexualism or gender reassignment is beyond me.
This is the way she is meant to be, and I happy that she is at this point in her life now.
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I thought Amanda Lepore was the youngest? I thought she has her first operation at 15...I don't have any thing to cite that, though.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly Bexy.

I know of young boys in Thailand taking hormones illegally way before puberty, and some of them get their full-op way before they even turn 18. It is sad because some poorer families actually put their unconsenting sons through this in the hopes of him becoming a performer. :/
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What do you say to people who say "what do you know what its like to be a male/female on the inside if you have never been one"?? That question used to always bother me but i cant actually think of a good enough reply.
I can only site evidence that you just KNOW whether you are ment to be male female by looking at the john/joan case. Hmm i was going to describe it (we studied it in 1st year psychology) but maby its best to find an article or something and attach it because its complicated.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...rnedgirl.shtml

hmm.. i guess that kinna sums it up. The fact that Dr money was Totally wrong and that you cant force someone to be either gender by nurturing it but infact it is inate pretty much proves beyond reasonable doubt that people KNOW what they are ment to feel Biologically. In this case David reimer (brenda,john/joan) actually killed himself a few years ago basically because the psychologist that was working with him (Dr Money)wanted his theory to be right to such an extent that he totally fucked up Davids life. Its a sad story but one i feel really highlights that gender must indeed be inate.. we can just KNOW.
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Also, isnt there some country in the world (cant remember where now) That there are a large number of hymaphrodites born. They see this as totally normal and have boys, girls and boygirls who get to chose when they are old enough what they would like to be. I think that is the best option all around. I think by a very young age you know which gender you belong to so why prolong the agony of living in a body your not comfortable in for years. Though i also think the psychological processes are a good thing as i have heard cases of people who wish they hadnt had the surgery done.
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Also, isnt there some country in the world (cant remember where now) That there are a large number of hymaphrodites born. They see this as totally normal and have boys, girls and boygirls who get to chose when they are old enough what they would like to be. I think that is the best option all around. I think by a very young age you know which gender you belong to so why prolong the agony of living in a body your not comfortable in for years. Though i also think the psychological processes are a good thing as i have heard cases of people who wish they hadnt had the surgery done.
One of the things that sort of throuws a wrench into the whole nature/nurture gender debate for me is, even though there are other cultures, both past and present, that do have 'third genders' or similar constructions, they're almost always for reserved for bio males who want to incorporate more femininity into their lives. The fact that these categories don't really exsist for bio-females who want to be more masculine suggests something more than straight genetics/biology to explain the need for some to either transition fully or to live somewhere in the gender continuum.

I spent most of my childhood sure I'd have gender reassignment surgery when I grew up, but somewhere during the puberty process, I decided I didn't want it, didn't feel like I was anything other than a woman, even if I was nobody's idea of a 'girl.' I can't imagine I'm the only person who was sure they'd transition and then realized that they weren't 'a boy trapped in a girl's body.'
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One of the things that sort of throuws a wrench into the whole nature/nurture gender debate for me is, even though there are other cultures, both past and present, that do have 'third genders' or similar constructions, they're almost always for reserved for bio males who want to incorporate more femininity into their lives. The fact that these categories don't really exsist for bio-females who want to be more masculine suggests something more than straight genetics/biology to explain the need for some to either transition fully or to live somewhere in the gender continuum.

I spent most of my childhood sure I'd have gender reassignment surgery when I grew up, but somewhere during the puberty process, I decided I didn't want it, didn't feel like I was anything other than a woman, even if I was nobody's idea of a 'girl.' I can't imagine I'm the only person who was sure they'd transition and then realized that they weren't 'a boy trapped in a girl's body.'
I'm not sure what you mean about there not being biological females who want to incorporate more masculinity into thier lives. ?? sorry butch.. can you try to explain that to me again..i think my brain isnt working properly today.. sorry..
I think so far as gender identity goes you cant dichotomise nature and nurture because both play there part.
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I'm not sure what you mean about there not being biological females who want to incorporate more masculinity into thier lives. ?? sorry butch.. can you try to explain that to me again..i think my brain isnt working properly today.. sorry..
I think so far as gender identity goes you cant dichotomise nature and nurture because both play there part.
What I was trying to say (and I'm still sleepy, I guess ) is that the cultures i'm aware of that have some sort of 'third gender' category (Native American and Indian come to mind right now), that category seems to be only for men who want to be women, or encorporate more femininity into their identity. It isn't a category open to bio-women with similar needs, so that makes me wonder if the idea of 'inate-ness' is less biologically oriented than we think? Maybe some cultural expectations are embedded in us at such a young age that it mimics genetic influence? I'm sure I'm still not making sense.
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What I was trying to say (and I'm still sleepy, I guess ) is that the cultures i'm aware of that have some sort of 'third gender' category (Native American and Indian come to mind right now), that category seems to be only for men who want to be women, or encorporate more femininity into their identity. It isn't a category open to bio-women with similar needs, so that makes me wonder if the idea of 'inate-ness' is less biologically oriented than we think? Maybe some cultural expectations are embedded in us at such a young age that it mimics genetic influence? I'm sure I'm still not making sense.
Ahhh ok.. i see what you mean now. Thank you.
The country i was talking about had a high instance of actual hymaphrodytes and i think there was an equal amount chosing to be male as there was female.
I didnt know that the 'third sex' people of these countries were generally Bio males wanting to be more feminine.. It may be that it is still inate to want to deviate from ones biological gender but a societal thing to feel pressure not to do so. (in the case of the bio women you are talking about). I wonder if there is some cultural reason why Bio women wouldnt want to me more masculine in these cultures??
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Ahhh ok.. i see what you mean now. Thank you.
The country i was talking about had a high instance of actual hymaphrodytes and i think there was an equal amount chosing to be male as there was female.
I didnt know that the 'third sex' people of these countries were generally Bio males wanting to be more feminine.. It may be that it is still inate to want to deviate from ones biological gender but a societal thing to feel pressure not to do so. (in the case of the bio women you are talking about). I wonder if there is some cultural reason why Bio women wouldnt want to me more masculine in these cultures??
I wish I studied gender from an anthropological standpoint, it would be so fascinating. I think one answer might be that there is more 'policing' of those who occupy sites of privilege in a particular society, and since men often hold a high rank in most societies, they have the least amount of maneuverability to experiment with gender and presentation, since they have more to lose if they give up any of the attributes of masculinity that helps to secure their status. Thus, another category the 'third gender,' is created for them as an outlet that doesn't disturb the core attributes of a male identity that secures power. Since women typically don't have as high a status, they have more freedom to differentuate from the typical attributes of femininity without losing as much status and power, so they don't need another category to preserve the 'purity' of a female identity that is already inferior to the male identity.

OK, I'm no anthropologist or sociologist, so if any of those types are reading, feel free to correct my hypothesis.
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ahhhhh.. i think its a great hypothesis. Goood thinkin! Though one thing i would say is that we always need to be careful when talking about catagories as if they are solid, fundimental and universal things because they are man-made and differ geographically,historically etc. Some things could be catagorised but are left on a spectrum and other things get bundled in with other things just cause someone decided it was to be so.
But yup, i am digging your theory..wish i knew more about anthropology in regards to gender too..tis v interesting. I would like to do some reading on it but have two essays which i need to write and i have been procrastinating all week.. havnt you noticed ive been on Dims like ALL day!! gah!
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But yup, i am digging your theory..wish i knew more about anthropology in regards to gender too..tis v interesting. I would like to do some reading on it but have two essays which i need to write and i have been procrastinating all week.. havnt you noticed ive been on Dims like ALL day!! gah!
I'm exhibiting the same behaviors you are, mergirl, and use my 'mod duties' as my excuse not to get to work. We need a stern plump headmistress to get us to work!
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Ok! A new fantasy to add to my list!! Just dont tell Golden Delicious because she is expecting me to clean the house all weekend and that would be exactly the way to get me to do it!! lol
Its not fair!!??? I'm so easily tamed!!! grrrrr
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Since in many if not all of these societies that recognize a third gender but seem to want to limit it to those in male bodies men are the ones in control, what chance do you think there is that while the 'normal' men are perfectly happy to remove competition for mates from the gene pool, they don't want the women to have that option because that would narrow the 'normal' males potential mate pool?

In other words, it's that way because it benefits the males in power AKA business as usual.
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Since in many if not all of these societies that recognize a third gender but seem to want to limit it to those in male bodies men are the ones in control, what chance do you think there is that while the 'normal' men are perfectly happy to remove competition for mates from the gene pool, they don't want the women to have that option because that would narrow the 'normal' males potential mate pool?

In other words, it's that way because it benefits the males in power AKA business as usual.
I'd also imagine that the men in power don't want to cede any of their power to women, and women taking on any significant traits of 'masculinity' would be considered to be trying to take more power, too.

Too bad we don't know about how matriarchal societies handle the idea of gender presentations that move beyond the binary of male/female, though. Would they be more supportive of men wanting to have more feminine traits, up to and including 'passing' as female?
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I'd also imagine that the men in power don't want to cede any of their power to women, and women taking on any significant traits of 'masculinity' would be considered to be trying to take more power, too.

Too bad we don't know about how matriarchal societies handle the idea of gender presentations that move beyond the binary of male/female, though. Would they be more supportive of men wanting to have more feminine traits, up to and including 'passing' as female?
I wonder if the fact that there is no information even though there have been well documented matriarchal societies is because as a whole (at least in my personal experience) women seem much less negatively concerned by homosexuality than men. Maybe those matriarchal societies just looked at it as a normal thing, not bad, not special, just nature.
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I wonder if the fact that there is no information even though there have been well documented matriarchal societies is because as a whole (at least in my personal experience) women seem much less negatively concerned by homosexuality than men. Maybe those matriarchal societies just looked at it as a normal thing, not bad, not special, just nature.
Yes, I would think that would be a good hypothesis. I'll have to go back and read some of my Margaret Mead and see if I can find anything pertinent, although I guess by now some of her research has been called into question.
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