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Old 02-21-2009, 04:50 PM   #1
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Default Hate speech -- *seeking your opinion*

I'd like your opinion on whether something constitutes hate speech, and whether it should be banned from this board:

In one of the threads in Hyde Park, a poster used the language "...This faggoty ass PC society.." whilst making a criticism of people's reaction to a political cartoon.

I find this kind of slur as hateful and disgusting as the "N-word" (the use of which is, quite rightly, not allowed on Dims)...

Is it an unfair double-standard that the same intolerance for abusive language against ethnic minorities does not extend to gay-bashing remarks like the one cited above?

What do you all think?
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:56 PM   #2
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I'd like your opinion on whether something constitutes hate speech, and whether it should be banned from this board:

In one of the threads in Hyde Park, a poster used the language "...This faggoty ass PC society.." whilst making a criticism of people's reaction to a political cartoon.

I find this kind of slur as hateful and disgusting as the "N-word" (the use of which is, quite rightly, not allowed on Dims)...

Is it an unfair double-standard that the same intolerance for abusive language against ethnic minorities does not extend to gay-bashing remarks like the one cited above?

What do you all think?
I'm straight, and I found that to be offensive.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:03 PM   #3
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Definitely offensive!
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Yeah that's pretty offensive, hateful and ignorant.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:09 PM   #5
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Offensive and ignorant. People use words like that because they aren't in possession of an intellect capable of actual descriptive words.
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It had no place there or in any other discussion. It should have been caught and removed, most definitely. Unless this is a recurring issue with an individual though I see no cause for outright banning. A warning from the moderator ought to be issued. It was tasteless and incredibly offensive. I'm straight as an arrow and found it very crude. It did seem like the post in question was trying to use it as an example of how people take things too seriously but unfortunately this was in extremely poor taste and was not an good example of what I hope the author was attempting to say.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:28 PM   #7
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It had no place there or in any other discussion. It should have been caught and removed, most definitely. Unless this is a recurring issue with an individual though I see no cause for outright banning. A warning from the moderator ought to be issued. It was tasteless and incredibly offensive. I'm straight as an arrow and found it very crude. It did seem like the post in question was trying to use it as an example of how people take things too seriously but unfortunately this was in extremely poor taste and was not an good example of what I hope the author was attempting to say.
Well, I am not asking in this case for the person in question to be banned (though I think most people here know my opinion on that!), but more as to whether Dims should have a policy that such language is not welcome on these boards, just as it has a policy that one cannot use racial slurs. In my opinion, the same protection should be offered here (not just on this one board but at as a forum-wide policy) to our glbtq fellow forumites.
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I think it is offensive. That is all.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:47 PM   #9
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i pretty much agree with this. yeah it was offensive.

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It should have been caught and removed, most definitely. Unless this is a recurring issue with an individual though I see no cause for outright banning. A warning from the moderator ought to be issued. It was tasteless and incredibly offensive.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:58 PM   #10
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Yup. Offensive, and a slap in the face to the newly created GLBTQ board.

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Old 02-21-2009, 06:11 PM   #11
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I'm sure that if you want to use words like "faggoty ass," you can post at middleschoolboysinagymlockerroom.com.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:31 PM   #12
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I back a word filter approach to the ignorant and bigoted; change every slur to:

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"I am a small-minded child incapable of expressing a half-baked opinion among adults without losing my composure and spewing bigotry"
And let the fun ensue.
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:59 PM   #13
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I back a word filter approach to the ignorant and bigoted; change every slur to:

"I am a small-minded child incapable of expressing a half-baked opinion among adults without losing my composure and spewing bigotry"


And let the fun ensue.
Your plan looks great to me.
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Of course it is insulting and the person writing it knew it. It is all too easy to insult people on a screen because one doesn't have to have guts to say something like that to a persons face. Just shows a lack of respect for others but,at least it helps one figure out who they need to avoid.
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Extremely offensive, and has no place on Dims IMHO.
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Exactly! I am so sick of the cowards.

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Exactly! I am so sick of the cowards.
"Coward" is just the word I'd use -- I doubt the type of people who utter such slurs on these boards would ever have the guts to come into this newly-created room and defend or try to explain themselves...with no "buds" to back them up they show what they're really made of.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:44 AM   #18
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Offensive. Those words should be moderated out.
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Offensive. Those words should be moderated out.
I reported the post and I think they were.
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Obnoxiously offensive and ironically oxymoronic to boot. Homosexuals were in the vanguard of flaunting political correctness. The implication that Gays are somehow weak, timid or non-confrontational belies a significant lack of awareness regarding contemporary social conditions. It's likely the poster suffers from serious feelings of inadequacy and possible self-loathing due to insecurities regarding his own sexual identity. His odious outburst may presage a psychotic break and subsequent violent criminal activity. This would suggest the need for in-patient evaluation for the purpose of selecting long-term institutional care.

Seriously, I can't say if he hates anyone other than probably himself. People who use inflammatory language like that just need to be ignored. It forces them to find other ways to get attention. Maybe they'll find something socially acceptable, maybe not. Rebuking or chastising them just fuels their idiocy. "Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn." ~ George Bernard Shaw
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Believe me, I am no fan of the use of 'faggot' in any context, and agree that the use of that term in almost all cases is as odious as the use of the n-word and other terms. But then again, I'm too PC for many, and find the excessive use of bitch to be hateful, too.

However, to bring an issue from Hyde Park into the GLBTQ board is not what this board is about. if you want to have a general discussion about what derogatory terms do to the community they address, or why they persist, or what such terms expose about our society, then please begin a thread on that topic.

This thread, alas, is not that. If the OP, or any other member of Dimensions, has a problem with the use of that word in that context, then the individual needs to report the post using the tools available on the forum, and/or send a PM to a mod. As I'm not a mod at Hyde Park, bringing this issue to my attention in the GLBTQ forum doesn't go any farther in dealing with the immediate issue at hand, the use of 'faggot' as a slur in another part of the Dimensions forum.

As Tooz mentioned, someone else did bring the post to the attention of the mods, and since mods, like everyone else, don't have time to read every thread and are not logged into Dimensions for every minute of the day, there may be a lag time between the report and the decision of what to do. There are mods for a reason, and if anyone would like to be a mod, they can certainly contact Conrad. Otherwise, please leave the moderating duties to the mods, and please let mods know when you have an issue, because this is the most efficient and reasonable way to deal with the inevitable conflicts that pop up in a community as diverse and large as Dimensions is.

Thank you. Sorry to do it, but this thread is closed, too.
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