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Old 05-21-2009, 05:05 PM   #51
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I would like to see your statistics on fat people and medical histories. Please cite them. Obviously you have some fantastic reference that everyone else does not.

I would also like to see your statistics on "most" health problems beginning with laziness and slipping into fatness. (My arthritis began with a Dodge Avenger falling on me - hell, I'm not even fat!)

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
How does a Dodge Avenger fall on you?
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Why does it have to be fun and lighthearted. What's wrong with having a serious debate. You look around on this site and all you see is posts of belly pics, and "hey show your man boobs". I thought this was a fat acceptance site not a fat porn site. What do you have against a discussion that actually has substance. And you've missed the point completely. It's not about explaining to people that exercise is good. It's about how they shouldn't feel limited by there size. How they shouldn't blame their size for a lack of physical activity. This mentality contributes greatly to society's lack of acceptance. Their image of the large person is one of fat faces stuffed with twinkies, sitting on their asses unwilling to do anything else seconds away from heart attack or stroke. This image will never change through complaints and whining about size inhibiting activity level. Sadly, most people become fat because of laziness. and yet again, because apparently there is difficulty understanding this, I am not talking about people who have real medical problems or disabilities. Also, I did not say most health problems begin with laziness and slip into fatness. I am not talking about the health of average sized people at all. If you ask any doctor they will tell you the obese have the majority of their health problems because of their size. There is a correlation between waist size and disease and their reaction is to tell people they need to be smaller. Lack of exercise and poor nutrition are the real causes of these problems. Since they also cause obesity, the majority of people with these diseases are also fat. So they blame it on being fat. So people only see fat as a negative thing and put all fat people into this group. I stay fat by choice so this is very annoying. People have no clue about all the benefits of fat. It takes a lot of hard work to be fit and healthy and remain fat. It's an arduous balancing act. It is not an easy road. I have had all these problems that are supposedly stopping people. It makes the journey long and more difficult but not impossible. It annoys me that society sees me and automatically places me in the lazy twinkie stuffed category. It's even more annoying when i see these complaints and excuses because that's what is causing this prejudice. I have a lifetime of experience with being fat and interacting with countless fat people, and most of them are lazy as hell and give the same excuses. It is BS. The ones that have real disabilities do not blame their inactivity on being fat, they blame it on their actual disability. No one who has osteoarthritis is going to say "Hey, I can't do that because I am fat." They would say they can't do it because of arthritis. So most likely when someone says they are too fat to do it, its not because of a real medical problem. I am definitely not the one who is being mentally lazy. I put forth the effort to critically analyze everything.
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Why does it have to be fun and lighthearted. What's wrong with having a serious debate. You look around on this site and all you see is posts of belly pics, and "hey show your man boobs". I thought this was a fat acceptance site not a fat porn site. What do you have against a discussion that actually has substance. And you've missed the point completely. It's not about explaining to people that exercise is good. It's about how they shouldn't feel limited by there size. How they shouldn't blame their size for a lack of physical activity. This mentality contributes greatly to society's lack of acceptance. Their image of the large person is one of fat faces stuffed with twinkies, sitting on their asses unwilling to do anything else seconds away from heart attack or stroke. This image will never change through complaints and whining about size inhibiting activity level. Sadly, most people become fat because of laziness. and yet again, because apparently there is difficulty understanding this, I am not talking about people who have real medical problems or disabilities. Also, I did not say most health problems begin with laziness and slip into fatness. I am not talking about the health of average sized people at all. If you ask any doctor they will tell you the obese have the majority of their health problems because of their size. There is a correlation between waist size and disease and their reaction is to tell people they need to be smaller. Lack of exercise and poor nutrition are the real causes of these problems. Since they also cause obesity, the majority of people with these diseases are also fat. So they blame it on being fat. So people only see fat as a negative thing and put all fat people into this group. I stay fat by choice so this is very annoying. People have no clue about all the benefits of fat. It takes a lot of hard work to be fit and healthy and remain fat. It's an arduous balancing act. It is not an easy road. I have had all these problems that are supposedly stopping people. It makes the journey long and more difficult but not impossible. It annoys me that society sees me and automatically places me in the lazy twinkie stuffed category. It's even more annoying when i see these complaints and excuses because that's what is causing this prejudice. I have a lifetime of experience with being fat and interacting with countless fat people, and most of them are lazy as hell and give the same excuses. It is BS. The ones that have real disabilities do not blame their inactivity on being fat, they blame it on their actual disability. No one who has osteoarthritis is going to say "Hey, I can't do that because I am fat." They would say they can't do it because of arthritis. So most likely when someone says they are too fat to do it, its not because of a real medical problem. I am definitely not the one who is being mentally lazy. I put forth the effort to critically analyze everything.
I truly do know how you feel. My aunt was stricken with an illness that by the time they discovered it she lost her ability to walk, use her hands and lost part of her sight. She was in a wheelchair and the first thing people thought about her on sight was how could this woman let herself get so fat she has to be in a wheelchair. Meanwhile skinny people are just handicapped even if their injuries were self inflicted through carelessness or deliberation. The approach toward fat people is always to blame and accuse.

That doesn't mean we should not be able to have fun in a lighthearted thread. Not everyone can play professional basketball and somebody has to be picked last for touch football teams. That person is usually me. Debates like this are good and meaningful but the intent of this thread was for fun not to make people feel like shit. Why not start a topic in a new thread?

ETA: I don't want to be first draft pick for the Raiders. I resent being made to feel as though I have to work to become such to be legitimized in society. I want to be a fat opera singer. It's my right to choose this just as it's anyone elses right to choose what they want to be. I'm not going to pole vault and become a champion fencer to prove my self worth.
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Hey lets move back onto the thread peoples....

If you dont agree with something someone says (unless it is extremely vulger and INTENDED to hurt someone) just move on....this arguement doesnt belong here...Honestly people need to stop singling people out. I can see where people could be offenended by Geodetic's statement....but MOVE ON!!!!!! I'm not trying to vindicate or chastise either party...but seriously PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS....Dims is not a place for such negativity....and fighting's no fun...it's pointless because neither side is gonna win.....

Anyways....I say this out of respect for everyone here...Just want everyone to be civil....Why can't we all be friends??

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I am too fat for my bra currently.....hurray for more special order brasierres(sp?)
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I get insane amounts of isometric at work, but I really need some more cardio. Can't do pullups, but other things I can still manage.

This brings up the question, what IS the best way for us to get cardio? Swimming? I would think so since it has the lowest joint impact.
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I get insane amounts of isometric at work, but I really need some more cardio. Can't do pullups, but other things I can still manage.

This brings up the question, what IS the best way for us to get cardio? Swimming? I would think so since it has the lowest joint impact.
An online friend of mine who's teetering 600 is about to start water aerobics class....never done it myself but I'm sure it has little to none jouint stress...My grandmorther who has osteoperosis takes classes and this woman is 76...... so I'm assuming it would be fine for a heavier individual with joint issues....But don't take my word for it...I'm no expert
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I get insane amounts of isometric at work, but I really need some more cardio. Can't do pullups, but other things I can still manage.

This brings up the question, what IS the best way for us to get cardio? Swimming? I would think so since it has the lowest joint impact.

The Concept 2 Rower is great for cardio. It can support up to a 500 pound person. The plastic seat can be hard on your ass if your on it for a long time. but im sure you could put some kind of cushion on there. It's also better for you to do short duration high intensity sprints. A great one to do is 500m sprints followed by 2 min rest for 5 rounds. Even a beginner can do this in under a half hour. If you're interested it being able to do pull ups you can start with supine pull ups or use a gravitron.
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I get insane amounts of isometric at work, but I really need some more cardio. Can't do pullups, but other things I can still manage.

This brings up the question, what IS the best way for us to get cardio? Swimming? I would think so since it has the lowest joint impact.
Swimming seems to be the odds on favorite among most fatties. A lot of people like yoga and pilates. You wouldn't think of these things are aerobic by popular concepts but it meets all heart rate requirements to be aerobically beneficial for most people. I like roller skating/blading but it involves some risk. A bad fall can cause serious injury, I just had surgery to repair a torn meniscus last March. Bodies in general are strong but joints are astonishingly delicate so I leave the daredevil stuff to others. Bikes are good too if you have the space to store one. Exercise bands, an exercise ball - there are lots of options.
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Swimming seems to be the odds on favorite among most fatties. A lot of people like yoga and pilates. You wouldn't think of these things are aerobic by popular concepts but it meets all heart rate requirements to be aerobically beneficial for most people. I like roller skating/blading but it involves some risk. A bad fall can cause serious injury, I just had surgery to repair a torn meniscus last March. Bodies in general are strong but joints are astonishingly delicate so I leave the daredevil stuff to others. Bikes are good too if you have the space to store one. Exercise bands, an exercise ball - there are lots of options.

Agreed..swimming IS great for cardio for all sizes....HEY GEO....you might want to wander over to the HEALTH FORUMS, I post daily on my workouts, and if you want to see what others are doing..there's plenty of heart healthy and lifting going on here
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Good God, ow ow ow ow OW!! That is horrific Laina. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Gees.
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An online friend of mine who's teetering 600 is about to start water aerobics class....never done it myself but I'm sure it has little to none jouint stress...My grandmorther who has osteoperosis takes classes and this woman is 76...... so I'm assuming it would be fine for a heavier individual with joint issues....But don't take my word for it...I'm no expert
Any in-water activity is good to do for low-impact work. (Off topic, but I wanted to weigh-in on the swimming talk.) The pool I work at runs what we call Aquacise (Water Arobics, AquaFit - depends on where you go what its called). The types of workout can vary depending on the instructor, but for the most part its a basic cardio class (jogging in one spot, stretching etc.) only the students are in the water and the instructor is up on the pool deck. The patrons who come to Aquacise love it because they don't go home sore after they get used to it, and those who are shy of where they might jiggle, benefit from the water obscuring their lower body. As for the regulars who have been coming for 15-20 years, they've said they have benefitted greatly from this, their primary source of exercise.

I've worked there as a Lifeguard for 7 years, tried Aquacise for the first time last week and I only found a little strain in my left thigh (due to a knee injury two weeks previous.). I would personally suggest this for anyone who doesn't have strong swimming stroke-skills or feels uncomfortable doing a cardio class on land. =)

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Ever crawl underneath a car while it's jacked up? Ever have someone kick the jack out?

...yeah.
Ouch................And i hope you gave who ever kicked the jack out a taste of how painfull having a car dropped on you is.

Since being on holiday for two weeks, and effectly doing not much, i seem to have gained weight and am now too fat for.
Shorts i bought for my holidays
Pair of jeans that are now tight to the point of being uncomfatable
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I swear im sitting differently on my motorbike, its handly ever so slighlty different. But that could be all in my head
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Good God, ow ow ow ow OW!! That is horrific Laina. I'm so sorry that happened to you. Gees.
Haha, yeah. It was...unpleasant. Although to be fair, it could have been a LOT worse. I could have shattered bones instead of tearing connective tissue and some cartilage. (The injuries and the resulting surgery are what led to the osteo, but it could easily have been WAY more severe.)

Plus, if I stick it out five more years I'm a great candidate for replacement surgery. Maybe by then they'll have cyborg parts, or something equally as awesome. I'm holding out for adamantium!
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Mmm...see, THIS is what I was expecting from this thread. Thank you for getting back to (tantalizing) basics!
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Oh, and I almost forgot my contribution to the actual topic of the forum: I seem to be too hefty for office furniture made of plastic and screws. My desk chair's back bends and wobbles like jelly because the screws in the arms holding it there can't support my weight when I lean back. Sucks too, its the 3rd chair i've gone through in the last 3 years.
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I hear the procedure to get that done is pretty painfull :P

And yea, thought i would get back to what i started this thread about, just some simple fun. Doesnt need to be taken overly serious
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Haha, yeah. It was...unpleasant. Although to be fair, it could have been a LOT worse. I could have shattered bones instead of tearing connective tissue and some cartilage. (The injuries and the resulting surgery are what led to the osteo, but it could easily have been WAY more severe.)

Plus, if I stick it out five more years I'm a great candidate for replacement surgery. Maybe by then they'll have cyborg parts, or something equally as awesome. I'm holding out for adamantium!
A Borg chick. COOL!!! A friend of mine got hip replacement at the NE Baptist Hospital and was part of an experiment for a new kind of material. They didn't tell her which she got, it was a blind surgery. They moniter her to test her results against the others and no one knows what material they got. Sadly her resultant physical abilities are ordinary.
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A Borg chick. COOL!!! A friend of mine got hip replacement at the NE Baptist Hospital and was part of an experiment for a new kind of material. They didn't tell her which she got, it was a blind surgery. They moniter her to test her results against the others and no one knows what material they got. Sadly her resultant physical abilities are ordinary.
ordinary now, but what if she comes in contact with someone with the same surgery...

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A Borg chick. COOL!!! A friend of mine got hip replacement at the NE Baptist Hospital and was part of an experiment for a new kind of material. They didn't tell her which she got, it was a blind surgery. They moniter her to test her results against the others and no one knows what material they got. Sadly her resultant physical abilities are ordinary.
wow interesting.....I have both my hips replaced 7 yrs apart, and the progress they made in the surgery itself is incredible....

on a slightly differnt topic...but kinda along the same....I did stop smoking drug test at Johns Hopikins University, and there were placebos, and then different strengths of the drug used. They told me in X months I could find out the drugs name and what I had been adminstered...I NEVER FOUND out, and was pissed....I wanted to know dammit...the good news, is that was over 9 yrs ago...and still NICOTINE FREE
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I noticed earlier today that I STOPPED noticing that I slightly turn sideways to get through a door frame. I don't turn completely, just dip my shoulder a bit. thought it was funny.
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I noticed earlier today that I STOPPED noticing that I slightly turn sideways to get through a door frame. I don't turn completely, just dip my shoulder a bit. thought it was funny.
Ha, Yeah, I do that, too. Also, when you have to do that when you're walking down a hallway of some kind and you have to do the same sort of dip and twist when you walk pat another person, thats another 'too fat' moment.
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I get insane amounts of isometric at work, but I really need some more cardio. Can't do pullups, but other things I can still manage.

This brings up the question, what IS the best way for us to get cardio? Swimming? I would think so since it has the lowest joint impact.
In my nutrition class there said swimming is actually not a good idea for fat people trying to loose weight, something about the water acting as insolation.

But my mom starting doing water aerobics a year ago and has lost about 100 pounds.
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