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Old 08-11-2009, 09:02 AM   #26
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Okay as a side note here... I am insulted by my generational name lumping. I find very very little in common with kids who grew up in the early 90's when I myself was born in 1984. I think these groupings are too large. I had no computer until after windows 95 came out, when I was 12. I didn't have cell phones in Jr. High like kids born in 1994 probably did... [1996-1999]. stupid charts! We didn't even watch the same cartoons! >.< They never experienced the joy of over sized T-shirts, spandex, T-shirt knotting, fluorescent everything or pogs!... anyway. Onward with topic!

Younger people have it easier. I didn't have unmonitored internet access until I was about 15, but since then I have been an internet hog. It is simple. Everything you'd ever ever need to know is here. Including support. My health flares up: find a support forum for that problem. Work sucks: IM your friends. You've got porn, informational sites, news programs, tv shows, homework help/cheating, how-tos on everything known to man, and forums out the butt.

Younger have it easier. If they say otherwise, they're whiney and should try growing up without a computer or text messaging.

MY only computers in elementary school were Apples from 1986 that played lemonade stand and Oregon trail. I didn't get my first cell phone until college. I used a walk-man, and then disc-man growing up, not an ipod with internet, video, download, camera, god-knows-what. My anime was sent away for in snail mail and put on VHS fansubs! My fat butt was unaware that anyone found me attractive besides a pedo college guy I talked to on the internet when I was 15... yeah we didn't know about internet safety then either.

I am lumping myself older than the young, but younger than the old. I was on the literal cusp of the internet age. Born before internet was around, found it in Jr.High, mastered it as an adult.
OMG! This. Every word of it.

And Oregon Trails...ahhh the memories. I didn't start listening to R&B or anything on the radio until I was 14 or so. Kids are just not sheltered anymore; the age of innocence of wiped away at an incredibly early age now.

I did not grow up naive, but I definitely grew up sheltered; I think I'd be hard pressed to find 17 or 18 year olds who have the same experience. Hell, I was just at my cousin's trunk party over the weekend and as I was visiting with my relatives, I found myself talking to my much older cousins instead of the 19 and 20 year old kin. I feel like I'm a world or two away from them.
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:07 AM   #27
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I played Oregon Trails too.. just saying! It was a great game:]

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I'm not sure that's what she means exactly. When I think of younger people having it easier due to technology, I think of the fact that the younger generations have had the luxury of technology that caters to their every whim/interest. You don't have to wait for something to come on TV (or not have TV at all!), you can go view it online somewhere.

Regarding size, being a fat teen is still difficult, but I think having access to a network of people in the same boat is just something people who are >24 didn't have.
The thing is though, you aren't that old either.. you're what, 24 or something, as is MsGreenLatern.. we ARE the same generation. Just pointing that out. I think the real difference is not people my age, but rather kids who are little now. They're the ones who were given cell phones as a birthday present when they were five and have no idea what a VCR or walkman is. I grew up in the 90's but I still used a walkman when I was little and didn't get a cellphone until high school and I STILL don't own an iPod. I'm 18, not 8, we didn't have a DVD player until I was.. 12 or 13 I think.

Also, yeah, having this community was great for me but I'd like to point out that probably 99% of fat teens don't realize Dimensions or NAAFA or whatever exists.

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I played Oregon Trails too.. just saying! It was a great game:]



The thing is though, you aren't that old either.. you're what, 24 or something, as is MsGreenLatern.. we ARE the same generation. Just pointing that out. I think the real difference is not people my age, but rather kids who are little now. They're the ones who were given cell phones as a birthday present when they were five and have no idea what a VCR or walkman is. I grew up in the 90's but I still used a walkman when I was little and didn't get a cellphone until high school and I STILL don't own an iPod. I'm 18, not 8, we didn't have a DVD player until I was.. 12 or 13 I think.

Also, yeah, having this community was great for me but I'd like to point out that probably 99% of fat teens don't realize Dimensions or NAAFA or whatever exists.
Yeah, I'm 25, but what I think I said on the first page is that there is a sort of minor cusp between those born in or before 1984 or so and those born after. While it may be within the same generation, even within generations there can be great differences in the societies in which we develop. WOW, hello crap grammar. Anyway. High school, for example, is a highly formative time, and getting a cell phone in high school versus in college can actually make a big difference. Frankly, I see no point in anyone having a cell phone until they go away to college (or live at home, but have a long commute).

Not to be "1 up," as I am not trying to, but I didn't have a DVD player until I was almost 20. I guess I'm just trying to prove my point that those few years can change a lot, just like there is a huuuuge difference between 18 and 25.

Not that I know everything-- I'm not saying 25 is the pinnacle of adulthood, heh.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:34 PM   #29
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Yeah, I'm 25, but what I think I said on the first page is that there is a sort of minor cusp between those born in or before 1984 or so and those born after. While it may be within the same generation, even within generations there can be great differences in the societies in which we develop. WOW, hello crap grammar. Anyway. High school, for example, is a highly formative time, and getting a cell phone in high school versus in college can actually make a big difference. Frankly, I see no point in anyone having a cell phone until they go away to college (or live at home, but have a long commute).

Not to be "1 up," as I am not trying to, but I didn't have a DVD player until I was almost 20. I guess I'm just trying to prove my point that those few years can change a lot, just like there is a huuuuge difference between 18 and 25.

Not that I know everything-- I'm not saying 25 is the pinnacle of adulthood, heh.
No no, I get your point. I think you're right that there is a big difference between 18 and 25 but it's not quite the same as someone who is say, 40, who didn't have a cell phone until a few years ago or someone who is 60 still clinging to their VCR.

For the record, I only got a cell phone in high school because my mother got rid of the house phone so I needed a way to communicate.

All in all though, despite minor differences the fact remains that you and I grew up in similiar environments time-wise.
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I donít remember the exact details, but I recall some study that basically keyed in on 16 as a key age for technology. Basically 16 year olds were amongst the most enthusiastic embracers of any new technology, including penetration rate, mastery of it, and so on, and on the flip side the technology available when you were 16 seemed to kind of mark your world view forever, a sort of formative age thing I guess.

Not that older folk can't adopt something new....talking about averages over large populations. (but I admit, to me cell phones aren't essential enough that I've been willing to pay the high Canadian prices for one yet. We are supposed to get some new companies next year, maybe prices will finally come down some and I'll get a smart phone.....but how many people who grew up with cell phones consider them a luxury not a necessity?)
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Old 08-12-2009, 07:29 AM   #31
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I don't even remember being 18, let alone what went on around me back then...it was just my final year of high school (which I was desperate to escape from) and my first year of college (I didn't know what the hell I wanted to do with myself...I was an english major).

I'm 43, so I was a Generation X (hate that term!) 1980s kid. I never saw a computer until 1978 in 7th grade and never actually learned anything about them until my last year of high school (1984), when a computer lab was set up. Somehow I survived college AND grad school without the Internet...I graduated in 1992 and my grad school was JUST starting to get the Internet then. I've never had an ipod or mp3 player...never had a need for one, when I want to hear music, I turn on this thing called a radio or put on a CD/tape/album. I've also survived 43 years without ever owning a cell phone and I don't plan to get one any time soon.

Since I'm a guy, obviously I can't identify with BBWs. During my high school years, I recall one gal who was a BBW and 2-3 others who weren't quite that size, they were just sorta chunky/chubby I guess ~shrugs~ I recall the BBW taking crap from the thin girls periodically due to her size...not from me, I wasn't sure why I found these gals' size appealing.

Over the past 25 years since I graduated high school, I'd say attitudes have changed. I see more BBWs who are far more confident and seem to be much happier with themselves than the girls I went to school with. I imagine there are better clothing styles and choices today, etc...

Do young people today have it easier? That's a matter of opinion. I certainly don't think having a wealth of technology at our fingertips has made life better, it's just different is all.

I work in a public library. Our computers in the kids area are constantly full of kids who'd rather play computer games on a gorgeous summer day. I get kids who ask me what time it is, I point out the big clock on the wall behind them and since it's not digital, they can't tell time! I get kids who only read when they absolutely have to. I've seen shocking levels of ignorance which I could go on all day about...having the internet certainly hasn't raised a generation of geniuses but there's something seriously wrong with our educational system today.

Oh well, this is making me feel old.

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Yeah, I'm 25, but what I think I said on the first page is that there is a sort of minor cusp between those born in or before 1984 or so and those born after. While it may be within the same generation, even within generations there can be great differences in the societies in which we develop. WOW, hello crap grammar. Anyway. High school, for example, is a highly formative time, and getting a cell phone in high school versus in college can actually make a big difference. Frankly, I see no point in anyone having a cell phone until they go away to college (or live at home, but have a long commute).

Not to be "1 up," as I am not trying to, but I didn't have a DVD player until I was almost 20. I guess I'm just trying to prove my point that those few years can change a lot, just like there is a huuuuge difference between 18 and 25.
Not that I know everything-- I'm not saying 25 is the pinnacle of adulthood, heh.
Hello! When I was 18 I had no concerns about health insurance, 401k, buying a home, paying hefty student loans, trying to get a foot in the door with careers, working on advanced degrees, etc. Those things become very real issues by your mid twenties; well, at least for me they did.

At 18 I was still covered by my parents great insurance, had plenty of food, more clothes than I knew what to do with, lived in a big comfy house, etc. In short, I wasn't as grown as I thought I was. At that age, you don't really think about being 30 years old and what that might mean in terms of responsibility.

And now, being a professional in my 20's -- I pay rent up in this bitch! I have to deal with my copays and left over balances if my insurance doesn't pay out in full, my partner and I are paying for master's/doctoral degrees. I have FULL responsibility for my life (and I'd go as far to say I have responsibility for my partner's as well because we function as a unit). Those are things you don't really "get" until you experience them. That, and 30 years old doesn't seem so old at all.
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Hello! When I was 18 I had no concerns about health insurance, 401k, buying a home, paying hefty student loans, trying to get a foot in the door with careers, working on advanced degrees, etc. Those things become very real issues by your mid twenties; well, at least for me they did.

At 18 I was still covered by my parents great insurance, had plenty of food, more clothes than I knew what to do with, lived in a big comfy house, etc. In short, I wasn't as grown as I thought I was. At that age, you don't really think about being 30 years old and what that might mean in terms of responsibility.

And now, being a professional in my 20's -- I pay rent up in this bitch! I have to deal with my copays and left over balances if my insurance doesn't pay out in full, my partner and I are paying for master's/doctoral degrees. I have FULL responsibility for my life (and I'd go as far to say I have responsibility for my partner's as well because we function as a unit). Those are things you don't really "get" until you experience them. That, and 30 years old doesn't seem so old at all.
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Wow - reading all this the week after being asked to join the committee for my high school's fiftieth reunion next year takes me waaaay back.

What am I? Generation A? For pre baby-boomer? One who remembers mini-golf courses, bowling alleys, drive-in movies and unhelmeted bike riding being the primary entertainments - and black and white television if someone on your block happend to have one?

We had A&W and Big Boy drive ins, but you had to out of high school to have your own car. Kids like me rode their bike to school - or walked. We didn't have crossing guards to protect us, nor Amber alerts or gangs. Some of the dopey kids smoked bootleg ciggarettes after school, but they were losers and everyone knew who they were. We even had a partially functional hobo camp, left over from the depression.

True story: my parents were taking my sister and I to the movies on Tuesday night and the cashier remarked that our doing so together was remarkble. "Why" asked my dad. "Most families in town are home watching Milton Berle," she replied. The next day my dad bought a television because he didn't want his family to be feeling deprived (none of us had even been lobbying)!

Another true story: I was a Perry Mason fan but it was on Saturday nights, So I rigged a Webcor tape recorder microphone next to the TV speaker and asked my mom to record the audio so I could listen to Raymond Burr and co on Sunday (nope, we didn't have VCR's then either). The golden age of radio hadn't died yet and I had been weaned on the Lone Ranger, Philo Vance, Space Patrol and Charlie McCarthy - all great, but the babyboomers missed them. Jack Benny, Lucille Ball and a few others transitioned to television but I remember when ...

So who had it easier?

The answer after half a century, every generation is different. I had to travel to large libraries and work for hours to ferret out what google now supplies in moments. My childhood is filled with memories of scouts and workup softball in the middle of a street full of stay at home moms. Latch key kids existed but we treated them like relatives and siblings without giving it a thought. And I guess we were ahead of the curve on multi-culturalism - we had various ethnic and racial heritages in school, but we never thought of squaring off on that basis.

Scandal was a teenage girl having to marry a guy who the dropped out of high school to become gas station attendent and everyone knew why - but they did get married. Several very smart kids who were "too busy" to do their term papers turmed in duplicates to different teachers - and got caught, their work put on public display.

I don't think kids today can relate to my era any more than I could relate as a kid to prohibition and the depression. Each has its own experiances and challenges. But what counts in every generation is certain traits of character which seem to be universal - caring, honesty, a work ethic, serving others. Those teens and young adults I see doing these things (and they do exist in abundance) are in their own way doing what my eneration had o do all over and very succesfully so.

I'll be seeing people from the fifties nerxt summer - we'll be greyer and hopefully wiser. As for the millenials who may read this, just wait. Your fiftieth reunion will come in time - sooner than you now think.
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