LOST: Season Six

[kristineirl]

Originally Posted by Edens_heel

It wasn't Ab Aeterno, it was two episodes ago, which if I'm not mistaken, was the Hugo episode where Illana and the Black Rock were done away with. It's after Hugo destroys the Black Rock that Richard loses his shit and strikes out on his own with Ben and Miles.

you are correct, sir! I guess my memory is worse than I thought.

"What They Died For" scares me, because I'm pretty certain we're going to see a lot more deaths. Does anyone get the feeling that because Kate's name is crossed off, she's next?

[Edens_heel]

Originally Posted by kristineirl

you are correct, sir! I guess my memory is worse than I thought.

"What They Died For" scares me, because I'm pretty certain we're going to see a lot more deaths. Does anyone get the feeling that because Kate's name is crossed off, she's next?

I think more that ep is going to be a huge build-up ep, possibly bringing in a lot of past characters who have all died. After all, Shannon, Juliet, Anna Lucia, Russeau, Boone and others have all signed on to do more than they have this year... yeah, they could be trumped out in the finale (and I suspect some or all will be) but I have a feeling that this ep right before will deal with exactly why we've lost so many lovable characters over five years of sci-fi trauma.

Also, I miss Faraday. Jeremy Davies rocked. He better be coming back, either in the flash sideways or not.

[marlowegarp]

Originally Posted by kristineirl

Does anyone get the feeling that because Kate's name is crossed off, she's next?

Oh, if only!

I'm still betting on Hugo as the New Jacob.

[Blackjack]

Game time, people!

The genesis of Jacob and MIB (who has no name as yet) was just shown. Five minutes in and I'm hooked in a way that many of the episodes haven't been able to do.

[Blackjack]

Oh god this is like a menagerie of myth and philosophical parables and sowing the seeds of Bates-level mommy issues.

Also, MIB has emo hair. What the hell is with that?

[Blackjack]

Okay, so that well is apparently far, far older than I ever imagined it might've been.

[Blackjack]

I honestly don't even know what to say right now. I'm just... stunned. That was pretty fucking great how that ended.

I actually scribbled down that the bodies might belong to Jacob and MIB earlier this week while at work... I forgot that one of the bodies was female, but this explains that, and the stones, and... a lot. Not everything, but so, so much.

[supersoup]

dear lost,

i want to make sweet sweet love to you.

love,
soup

[toni]

Originally Posted by Blackjack

I honestly don't even know what to say right now. I'm just... stunned. That was pretty fucking great how that ended.

I actually scribbled down that the bodies might belong to Jacob and MIB earlier this week while at work... I forgot that one of the bodies was female, but this explains that, and the stones, and... a lot. Not everything, but so, so much.

Like what? This episode pissed me off. It left us with more questions than answers. They have 3 hours left to explain 6 years of QUESTIONS! I have little hope the finale will give us peace.

[Edens_heel]

Originally Posted by toni

Like what? This episode pissed me off. It left us with more questions than answers. They have 3 hours left to explain 6 years of QUESTIONS! I have little hope the finale will give us peace.

I've been a Lost lover, defender, apologist, and supporter from day one, but... I'm inclined to agree. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by an episode of this series.

When they attempted answers, they were so vague as to be maddening - like with the donkey wheel, and the light at the centre of the island. Even the birth of Smokezilla was a missed opportunity. Would have been so much cooler for his mother to have left him in the well, caved it in with him still inside, and forced him, as he awoke, to travel into the centre of the island, where his rage would pollute it and give birth to the great black whale of malice that is smokey.

AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A FUCKING NAME - JUST BROTHER.

I still have hope. I still want the next episode and the finale to rock and, in hindsight, make this a better episode. But for the first time it feels as if the asnwers have just been too long in coming, and this episode was one giant cocktease of missed opportunity... they gave us little things that we could have discerned on our own - and for the most part, we had (like the stones, for example). They have three and a half hours left to pull out some amazing conclusions from what is, to be honest, six years of set-up. I still love me some Lost, but right now that feeling is kindasortamaybe teetering on the edge of "fuck it all"

[Bearsy]

I agree, I'm getting pissed.

[Edens_heel]

As seen on an Aint it Cool discussion thread:

1) attach wheel to a "system" you're building. 2)That said "system" channels the water and the light. 3. Then turn it. 4. Finally be able to leave this place. ...That makes NO FUCKING SENSE!

Agreed. Also, if giving us the history of the island, the one thing I wanted more than anything was a reason for having a giant fucking Egyptian statue on the beach. Is that too goddamn much to ask?

Bah, the finale better fucking deliver, or I'm going to have to burn these dvd box sets.

[Edens_heel]

One thing to consider though: are MiB and Smokey the same thing? Or was Smokey simply what was released, and MiB happened to be the first body he took?

Of course, that might negate Flocke talking about his insane mother...

[Edens_heel]

And another: how does the donkey wheel exist if he never got the chance to put it in the magical glowing wall before mommy dearest clobbered him?

[Edens_heel]

One final post for the night - some interesting theories in this post that add weight to the episode, though if accurate I still wish more of the answers had actually been pointed out, rather than left for us to assume.

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/watch...t_breaker.html

[willowmoon]

Right now, I'm irriritated that "Across the Sea" isn't on Hulu yet ---- as such, I'm not reading the preceding posts because of possible **SPOILERS***

[toni]

Originally Posted by Edens_heel

One final post for the night - some interesting theories in this post that add weight to the episode, though if accurate I still wish more of the answers had actually been pointed out, rather than left for us to assume.

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/watch...t_breaker.html

Great article. It makes me feel a little better, just a little.

This episode caused me to do something I swore I would never do again....read the various lost forums. (I was very obsessed at one time) I spent most of the night reading what fans are saying. Most are annoyed, few hopeful. I reread the writers quote where the writers stated years ago they had a plan and full storyline from day one.
Giving us Adam and Eve was their way of making that right.

What I don't get is why foreshadow the good vs evil war (locke explaining backgammon to walt...black and white stones) seasons before it even comes up? How did Walt and Vincent play into all this? Ugh taking us back to the Adam and Eve episodes brings up so many MORE questions. *sigh*

The finale better be fucking awesome!

[Edens_heel]

Okay, this perfectly describes my frustration:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/108/1089039p1.html

though it was funny when the "mother" said that to give Claudia answers would only result in more questions... funny in a tragic way. I had forgotten about Jack's comment about the bones being only 40-50 years old. That bit of info really does make it feel like a sloppy, forced explanation.

[Micara]

Originally Posted by Edens_heel

Okay, this perfectly describes my frustration:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/108/1089039p1.html

though it was funny when the "mother" said that to give Claudia answers would only result in more questions... funny in a tragic way. I had forgotten about Jack's comment about the bones being only 40-50 years old. That bit of info really does make it feel like a sloppy, forced explanation.

Thank you for posting this article. It pretty much sums up my thoughts, and an excellent point about the age of the skeletons.

[Blackjack]

Originally Posted by Edens_heel

Okay, this perfectly describes my frustration:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/108/1089039p1.html

though it was funny when the "mother" said that to give Claudia answers would only result in more questions... funny in a tragic way. I had forgotten about Jack's comment about the bones being only 40-50 years old. That bit of info really does make it feel like a sloppy, forced explanation.

Simple explanation: Jack was wrong. This wouldn't be the first time.

[willowmoon]

Liked the episode a LOT -- but as usual with LOST, for every one answer they give you, they throw out five other questions which are unanswered. I'm just bummed that it won't be long until the whole series is done and I hope it delivers. I'm guessing not everyone will be happy with the ending -- it's like the old saying goes, "you can't please all people all the time."

[Edens_heel]

Originally Posted by willowmoon

Liked the episode a LOT -- but as usual with LOST, for every one answer they give you, they throw out five other questions which are unanswered. I'm just bummed that it won't be long until the whole series is done and I hope it delivers. I'm guessing not everyone will be happy with the ending -- it's like the old saying goes, "you can't please all people all the time."

Just out of curiosity, what was it about the ep that you liked? Not asking to start shit or anything like that, but this is honestly the only ep that I haven't loved... and I'd go so far as to say that I hated it (watched it again and it actually got worse, even though I understood more). I can't get my head around exactly why, but it just feels like a profound fuck up in every sense.

Frak, I even liked the ep that was about Jack's tattoos - I'm pissed about having an ep like this so close to the end

[willowmoon]

Originally Posted by Edens_heel

Just out of curiosity, what was it about the ep that you liked? Not asking to start shit or anything like that, but this is honestly the only ep that I haven't loved... and I'd go so far as to say that I hated it (watched it again and it actually got worse, even though I understood more). I can't get my head around exactly why, but it just feels like a profound fuck up in every sense.

Frak, I even liked the ep that was about Jack's tattoos - I'm pissed about having an ep like this so close to the end

I just liked the fact that this was an "origin" story of sorts for both Jacob & MIB -- and, to a certain degree, I feel kinda sorry for MIB. Quite honestly, we didn't know much about either of them, so this helps fill in SOME gaps. And it was a nice change from the "flash-sideways" stuff.

[kristineirl]

Originally Posted by willowmoon

I just liked the fact that this was an "origin" story of sorts for both Jacob & MIB -- and, to a certain degree, I feel kinda sorry for MIB. Quite honestly, we didn't know much about either of them, so this helps fill in SOME gaps. And it was a nice change from the "flash-sideways" stuff.

see, this is why i loved the episode too. Really, I was just getting way too demanding of the writers to please my expectations of their creation. This episode calmed me down a lot, and gave me a greater understanding of MiB, not just the overwhelming feeling of "oh, man, don't trust this guy, he's pretty horrible." There was a lot of obvious metaphors in the whole jacob playing with MiB game, but still, it made me understand where the both of them were coming from.

Still, I'd like to know just what happened to MIB and / or smoke monster when he drifted into the water AND what did their "mom" mean by telling jacob that they're the same now?

[kayes22]

Ohhh I'm glad I found this thread!
I have to ask a really stupid question: do we not know MIB's name? that's really bugging me that they NEVER said it in the last ep!