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Old 12-02-2017, 12:02 PM   #1
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What is the difference between a burger and a sandwich? Personally I think burgers exist as a subset within the sandwich category, but I'm not sure exactly at what point something is no longer a burger and is "just" a sandwich. I mean strictly speaking a hamburger is ground beef patty on a bun, but what about ground beef patties on regular bread? Ground beef that isn't formed into a party (is a sloppy Joe a burger)? Unground beef?
What about other types of meat/non-meat proteins (are turkey burgers, veggie burgers, etc true burgers or nah)?
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A burger is never a sandwich.

A sandwich are two slices of bread enclosing something cold - cold cuts of meat, cheese, vegetables, lettuce.
If it is heated - then you have toast.
Look into 18th century English culinary history.

With the burger, the essence is the meat formed into a patty - or these days also some vegetarian preparation - and grilled to eat. That it is commonly stuffed between 2 buns in the US as fast food is irrelevant to it being called a burger.
A burger - with sauce & toppings - can also be eaten without the bun, like a side of fries, vegetables or salad. It remains a burger.

Why exactly are you trying to subsume burgers under sandwiches???
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A burger is never a sandwich.

A sandwich are two slices of bread enclosing something cold - cold cuts of meat, cheese, vegetables, lettuce.
If it is heated - then you have toast.
What about grilled cheese sandwiches? Or a BLT where the bacon is still hot?
Or a hot spam sandwich? Or a warm fried egg sandwich? I don't think all sandwiches have to be cold.
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With the burger, the essence is the meat formed into a patty - or these days also some vegetarian preparation - and grilled to eat. That it is commonly stuffed between 2 buns in the US as fast food is irrelevant to it being called a burger.
A burger - with sauce & toppings - can also be eaten without the bun, like a side of fries, vegetables or salad. It remains a burger.
This seems logical, I have seen the meat patty by itself without bread called a hamburger. So the type of bread used (or lack thereof) isn't important to the identity of a hamburger in the broader sense (as opposed to the very narrow sense which only includes a ground beef patty on a bun). And it makes sense that any meat or meat substitute in patty form is more burgerlike than something like a sloppy Joe that has ground beef, possibly even on a bun, but is not in patty form.
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A burger is never a sandwich.

A sandwich are two slices of bread enclosing something cold - cold cuts of meat, cheese, vegetables, lettuce.
If it is heated - then you have toast.
Look into 18th century English culinary history.

With the burger, the essence is the meat formed into a patty - or these days also some vegetarian preparation - and grilled to eat. That it is commonly stuffed between 2 buns in the US as fast food is irrelevant to it being called a burger.
A burger - with sauce & toppings - can also be eaten without the bun, like a side of fries, vegetables or salad. It remains a burger.

Why exactly are you trying to subsume burgers under sandwiches???
Totally agree, a burger is definitely not a sandwich!
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I have seen places that call it a 'hamburger sandwich' (mostly older places), or list burgers in the 'sandwich' section of the menu (mostly newer faux-retro pubs). So it certainly is not uncommon here for it to be classified that way.

So I went to dictionaries. For sandwich:

Mirriam-Webster:
1 a : two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between
b : one slice of bread covered with food

Oxford:
1An item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with a filling between them, eaten as a light meal.

and for 'hamburger'

Mirriam-Webster:
1 a : ground beef
b : a patty of ground beef
2 : a sandwich consisting of a patty of hamburger in a split typically round bun

Oxford:
1A flat round cake of minced beef, fried or grilled and typically served in a bread roll garnished with various condiments.


So .... Mirriam-Webster allows that a hamburger may be a sandwich (it is open to a sandwich being on a roll rather than between slices of bread, and outright calls a hamburger a sandwich. Oxford doesn't prohibit it, but generally I'd read the Oxford definition to say no, a hamburger is not a sandwich (bun rather than bread, not a light meal generally)

Which suggests that the view of a hamburger being a sandwich may be more of a north american thing (or at least in enough parts of NA to be picked up by Mirriam-Webster)?
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Hold on now! You can go to Jimmy Johns and order a sandwich that is wrapped with lettuce rather than put in bread. I don't remember what the term is that they use, but it's not called a wrap.

The term hamburger can be used by a butcher for meat. But if someone asks you, if you want a hamburger/burger, aren't you assuming that you are getting it on bread?

The meaning of words change over time depending on how society uses them.

Where does an open-faced sandwich fit into this?

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You think that's bad? Some factions now classify pizza a sandwich.
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Being from Ohio a hamburger is a sandwich
in fact everywhere i go here a hamburger is a sandwich between two buns and it is not just fixed in town we fix them at home also and put lettuce tomato and other stuff on it
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By some definitions, lettuce wraps, toast, and pizza could all be considered sandwiches. I suppose even nachos could be considered a sandwich with the chips subbing for bread. Seriously, is this even real life rn?
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I went to Urban Dictionary for more answers. Here are the top two definitions.

The first was, "a food commonly used by men to oppress women."

The second was, "Hobo currency."

I know, that didn't really help.
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I'd vote that a hamburger is most often a sandwich, when it's not a lettuce wrap (or a "ground steak", a Salisbury Steak, or hamburger steak).

But then there's that pesky hot dog and similar link based meats.
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Is a hamburger without a bun still a hamburger???
Yes it is.
A hamburger is a ground beef patty - and it's name and essence do not hinge on it being stuffed between 2 buns or slices of bread.
Just as a hot dog remains a hot dog - no matter whether you eat it in a bun or with potato salad, even though in the latter case you could be more specific and call it a wiener or frankfurter, depending on style.

In its original recipe and meaning - a sandwich is always cold. So correctly it is not a grilled cheese sandwich - but a grilled cheese double toast.
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In its original recipe and meaning - a sandwich is always cold.
So a sandwich (made with cold cuts and various veggies) treated with a heated panini press stops being a sandwich?

No, wait - "panini" is generally accepted as Italian for "sandwich". (Actually "bread roll". Which opens up the interesting possibility that a "hamburger" is actually a panini due to the classic hamburger bun being a bread roll.) And there are reports of heated sandwiches being enjoyed in 16th Century Italy which predates the cold offering attributed to the Earl of Sandwich in the 18th Century. So which one is really the original, the heated or the cold?

I don't believe it's possible to achieve the linguistic division you seek unless one ignores sandwich-like contributions outside those of Britannia and overall commoditization and drift of language by us plebes.
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In its original recipe and meaning - a sandwich is always cold. So correctly it is not a grilled cheese sandwich - but a grilled cheese double toast.
eww, a cold hamburger or grilled cheese would not be tasty at all
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