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Old 12-24-2008, 05:44 AM   #26
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How did you become an FA?

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First as a teeny I admired girls with huge boobs, then I began to admire big girls with huge boobs, after that I started to admire big girls no matter the size of the boobs.
I was really easy, my way to FA
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:18 PM   #27
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I've always been an FFA for as long as I remember

I think it's genetic... lol
I am wondering if it is myself- my oldest daughter is starting to have some of her father's "fat preferences" I have been noticing lately........
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I've been one for as long as I've been noticing women. I always found myself more attracted to larger women and even after dating a few, I noticed that they tended to have better inner beauty then other women. Phsyically, seeing a woman with a large body and a roll is a turn on, especially in black lingerie, I tend to get my net gun and kidnap them at that point.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:31 PM   #29
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I don't know about anyone else, but all this talk of kidnap (tied up???) and held at gunpoint has me all hot and bothered.......
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:55 PM   #30
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:18 PM   #31
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Old 12-27-2008, 02:34 PM   #32
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I blame Demi Moore.
Seriously.

Many persons on this board list Willy Wonka as the spark that ignited the fever for WG and the resulting appreciation for BBWs but in my case where it the probably the Vanity Fair Pictures of her pregnant. They somehow haunted me. I even bought the magazine for approximately 25$ when I had the chance ( prior to the blessings of the Internet).
Next Step was finding a magazine called BUF with a very beautiful Girl on the cover. There also was with a picture of the beautiful Brie Brown and a mentioning of Dimensions in it and now im here.
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Many persons on this board list Willy Wonka as the spark that ignited the fever for WG and the resulting appreciation for BBWs but in my case where it the probably the Vanity Fair Pictures of her pregnant. They somehow haunted me. I even bought the magazine for approximately 25$ when I had the chance ( prior to the blessings of the Internet).
Next Step was finding a magazine called BUF with a very beautiful Girl on the cover. There also was with a picture of the beautiful Brie Brown and a mentioning of Dimensions in it and now im here.

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Old 12-27-2008, 04:45 PM   #34
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Thanks for fulfilling this wish Green Eyed Fairy.
My taste has developed in a wider range since the long times i have been on Dimensions and I'm not exclusively bound to bellies. The only phsical thing that would really disturb me a lot in a woman would be if she looks unhealthy thin.

Otherwise I like it most when a bigger woman presents herself in a way that emits that she does like the way she looks.
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For me, there was never a defining moment. I have been hard wired to adore beautiful women since birth....one day however, I did notice that all the beautiful women were big!
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:00 AM   #37
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There was no moment for me. I always just liked what I like and I pretty much like almost every female body type except skinny, which I find incredibly boring.

Also, power is sexy and I've always thought a big, curvaceous girl or woman who exudes energy almost gushes both sexual and a kind of physical power.
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Lol, when I was a kid like idk 10 or whenever I started wacking off .. too much information? haha
Anyway, I found my parents immense stash of porn mags, I must have "read" them all twice then I cut out all the fat chicks, women in fishnets and big boobs.
So I guess ever since I liked to look at nekkid women

When my mum found "the stash" of cut outs she tore them all up and told me "women are not like that!"
The bitch.
But I think she meant more of getting their boobs outs and shagging than physical appearance.

Then obviously trying fat and skinny chicks for luvin. Didn't like hips jabbing me amongst other things, skinny chicks definitely got sex longer because it wasn't floating my boat very well.
A weirder one is I feel like I can be abit more physical and less held back with big chicks and skinny ones make me feel like I have to have sex like an 80 year old.
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I've probably always been an FA, but it was kicked into high gear when puberty hit, and I discovered Anna Nicole Smith.
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I always was, didn't realize til I was 14 or 15. I was in a gym class and there was this girl with a big butt and round tummy :P
Same story with me. Always was, but didn't realize it until highschool.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:04 PM   #41
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I think I first started to recognize my preference for girls with a little more curves about Freshman year in High School. I'm sure there were others first but I can recall one girl that really set it off for me. Her name is Nikki and we're actually still close friends about a decade later! She wasn't a fat girl, just a little chubby...very little all things considered. Yet I was still teased a bit by the other guys. I was one of the more popular guys in school and I totally caved and we stopped dating. A low point for my self-respect to be sure. She ended up losing a bit and looking very Merilyn Monroe-like for a while and has since plumped back up and surpassed her former chubby size. She looks AMAZING! Buuuut unfortunately still believes Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and we should be there until we find them so I'm not too sure about finding intellectual stimulation there now...which surprised me.
After Nikki, I dated an incredibly gorgeous girl named Jessica for about two years. She was the blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty I was "supposed" to date. She played soccer and broke all of the schools pole-vaulting records (keep your minds out of the gutters....sinners) I had completely blocked out any and all thoughts about BBWs for most of our relationship. But then she started to gain! Just a little bit but all of my previous admiration and desire for big girls came back in spades! She had only put on ten pounds throughout our relationship, maybe 15 at most, but it definitely showed wonderfully on her 5'4" frame. I think I must have been a good influence on her though because I was sifting through some BBW image galleries, as I am wont to do, I saw her! SHE IS HUGE AND GORGEOUS NOW! Hopefully happy too.
Since Jessica and I broke up I have dated a number of BBWs and plenty of smaller girls as well. Call me an equal opportunist So that's my story for the most part. It's at least a brief description of the two girls that really turned me into an FA.
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Its funny, its one of those things that I always knew, ever since I can remember, but actually realized kind of early. Maybe I wasn't totally conscious of why, but even in grade school I would befriend the fat girls, and bring them extra food in my lunch, or give them my dessert, things like that. I wasn't always aware of why I wanted to, but I knew I liked fat girls, and I liked seeing them get fatter.

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I remember my sisters friend when we were teens, she was a big girl and I remember always wanting to hang out when she was around. Later on I just was drawn to the bigger girls, I remember in high school I was dating a gal that was nice and curvy and I haven't gone back, not that I don't think thin girls can't be hot but fat girls really do it for me. Also as I get older I appreciate the bigger girls out there. Nothing like a hottie that's curvy. I just wish that girls like Luna were around when I was in my 20's. Internet is great, it just should have been around sooner.
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I was your 'A' typical uncomfortable in my skin fat kid.. I was outgoing enough, had friends, went out but there was always that social awkwardness looming over me. So hello searching the internet for social acceptance, you folks feel me. I know you do. As any young adolescent young red blooded American male does when their find themselves alone with a computer and an internet connection.. *singing* "the internet is for porn.. "

I'd always found curvy women attractive, maybe it was because I grew up fat, maybe its because my parents were fat, maybe its my grandmothers treating every possible problem with snack food, maybe its some deep rooted sexual back alley in my cerebellum.. or something. I'm sure the exact psychological culprit could be explored, but long story short.. I likes the big ladies.

Early in my exploration of the net for big naked boobies, like probably every male on these forums.. I found Dimensions. After hours and days reading stories, flicking through all the amazing art, visiting all the sites I could find.. the idea of a woman gaining weight became an intense sexual fantasy (thanks a lot Dimensions, lol) and the "holy shit I can't let any of my friends or family find out about this, Jesus Christ" syndrome set in.

I lurked.. for years.

Eventually after high school, and after Dimensions adopted this new board system, I started to poke my head in now and again. Thus far in my third or fourth attempt at delurking I feel I've been less than successful in portraying my charming personality.. *gleaming smile*

It's sort of a task breaking into the social scene around this joint.

But yeah, back on track, I'm semi open about my feelings. My wife is well aware of Dimensions and all the sites. I've showed her BBW Pinups and Ivy's sites, Plump Princess and Gaining Goddess. She appreciates all the sites and the message the ladies stand by, that a woman can be confident and proud and sexy no matter the size. That bit she finds really awesome. So having a wonderful woman standing by me, not judging me, sharing in something that's been a part of my life since I was in grade school, that's done wonders to help break down that wall, that fear of people "finding out".. sort of like, "I married a big girl, why the hell wouldn't it be obvious that's the sort of figure I'm drawn to.. duh."

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At my church....yes church im sorry......but anywy der was one fat girl i paid a lot of attention but i was jus scard to say sumthin. she was omg awsome and she knew i liked she her butt jus jiggled she knew it i knew it and she knew i knew it and loved it. she had 2 or 3 beergutts ontop of each other and jiggle like i liked it
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The comment about early-age sexual imprinting is spot on. My aunt lost her 12 year old son to leukemia in the mid-1950's just before I was born. She gained weight and perhaps over-mothered me and her next two sons. My cousins are married to SSBBW sisters.

I was watching a Bob Hope comedy sketch on TV when I was in 8th (?) grade. The skit was about Bob and some woman in fat suits. Very surprised, I got the first erection in my life. That's when I knew.

I've been conflicted ever since. I get sexually aroused, even though I know being overweight (and the diet/lifestyle that leads to it) is not healthy. My BMI is 23.5 and my wife's is 36.8.

What a change from the days of the odd, chance picture of an overweight woman to internet porn that caters to EVERY taste! As us baby-boomers age, we surf the net for anything to "keep the flame alive."
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I had always been weirdly fascinated with female body expansion from a very early age. Around middle school I started to use the internet to explore it, and found some of the early expansion sites like Wren Spot. That's when I started trying my hand at drawing what I was imagining. I remember stumbling upon an early Dimensions and seeing the before and after shots... that's when the neural connection started forming between that familiar fascination and the abstraction thereof personified in bigger girls.

I put a bunch of art online in the late 90s and got a bit of a following, and along the way experimented with every sort of kink related to expansion whether I was into it or not. Eventually I began to graduate to an affinity for the BBW/WG side of things only, and by the beginning of 2002 I was completely disinterested in anything else (to the disappointment of several "inflation" fans I had become internet friends with along the way).

And thus emerged the FA you see today.

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Hmm, I dunno. I guess when I was a teenager, I was fooling around on the internet and I found some pictures of Teighlor, and that was that.

But why was I looking on the internet for pictures of really big girls? I guess I was a FA before that.
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BBWs were extremely rare where I grew up, so they tend to catch my eye and I was fascinated with their bodies. At some point I started thinking of how their soft, lush bodies might feel. I have fat gay friends three times my size who used to scoop me up, give me enveloping hugs and allowed me to stroke their bellies, and that only got me more interested.

I am also generally drawn to to people who don't succumb to the pressure of society to act or look a certain way. Butch women, femme boys, genderqueers, proud geeks, modified people and well, people who are confident in their fat bodies. I find that many of them have this quiet strength and empathy that I admire.
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