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Old 12-04-2010, 03:34 AM   #1
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...Or at least that is what feminist writer Bev Jo thinks. This article is sickening and may cause the reader to become filled with rage for a long period of time. I know this article may suggest otherwise, but it's time to let the world know that feminist does not equal crazy, or hateful, or discriminatory; that trans women are women too, that trans men are men, and that anyone can be a feminist regardless of what is or was between their legs!
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Old 12-04-2010, 06:47 AM   #3
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A lot of this won't be an issue once we have the technology to resequence DNA (instead we'll have a whole lot of other issues). Unfortunately in the here and now, transitioning is a very arduous process not everyone will believe you or be understanding about it.

In the article, Bev Jo comes off as less of feminist (remember: feminism was about equality, not subjugation) and more of a simple bigot against anyone who does not pass her purity test of being born with two X chromosomes. I have little to no use for people like her.
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Exactly what I was thinking -- she comes across as extremely bigoted in this particular piece.
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Old 12-04-2010, 09:26 AM   #5
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but it's time to let the world know that feminist does not equal crazy, or hateful, or discriminatory:
I'm separating this statement from the rest of this topic to point out the fact that educated people know feminism isn't crazy, hateful or discriminatory. Being angry at someone's very offensive arguments doesn't change that.
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This makes me so sad, but I will turn that around to be encouragement to fight against this sick nonsense and spread awareness and understanding.. very angry, very sad.
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I tried to read the article in the end just skimmed it

it breaks my heart the same way same gender couples are denied the basic human right of marriage

we should be allowed to be who we are and taught to be true to ourselves that I think is the best ideal of feminism

it is a shame that so many movements feel the need to mock or put a group into the sorry your not a real this because of this this and this

its outrageous and its wrong a woman is a woman no matter who she was born a woman is made up of so many aspects some learned some that come naturally and I for one do not treat an transgender person any differently to how I treat anyone else of my sex
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I'm separating this statement from the rest of this topic to point out the fact that educated people know feminism isn't crazy, hateful or discriminatory. Being angry at someone's very offensive arguments doesn't change that.
There's still too many people who think all feminists are like the Bev Jo though. I was guilty of that myself when I was younger.
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I can't believe the she thinks men want to be in her Lesbian space so much they would be willing to cut their wang off. Yes, I wake up every morning trying to find a way to infiltrate the Lesbians .
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A lot of this won't be an issue once we have the technology to resequence DNA (instead we'll have a whole lot of other issues). Unfortunately in the here and now, transitioning is a very arduous process not everyone will believe you or be understanding about it.

In the article, Bev Jo comes off as less of feminist (remember: feminism was about equality, not subjugation) and more of a simple bigot against anyone who does not pass her purity test of being born with two X chromosomes. I have little to no use for people like her.
^^ This. I'm a feminist through and through, and that article is just bullshit.
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Um, I have a number of trans gender pals and none of them do any of these things, nor are they suggesting we put them above females, but merely note that they are females.

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Can someone point me in the direction of a tranny bully? I've never seen one in my life....

the numb brained bitch....
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I can't believe the she thinks men want to be in her Lesbian space so much they would be willing to cut their wang off. Yes, I wake up every morning trying to find a way to infiltrate the Lesbians .
That's what I thought! lol

I imagine she's got some weird version of Pinky and the Brain floating around in her brain, where everyday men wake up and make another go at infiltrating Lesbian spaces only to fail and try the next day.
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Awful article.

It looks like the author cannot tell the difference between a crossdressing lesbian fetishist who identifies as male outside of his fantasy and a transwoman.
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A lot of this won't be an issue once we have the technology to resequence DNA (instead we'll have a whole lot of other issues). Unfortunately in the here and now, transitioning is a very arduous process not everyone will believe you or be understanding about it.

In the article, Bev Jo comes off as less of feminist (remember: feminism was about equality, not subjugation) and more of a simple bigot against anyone who does not pass her purity test of being born with two X chromosomes. I have little to no use for people like her.
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I'm separating this statement from the rest of this topic to point out the fact that educated people know feminism isn't crazy, hateful or discriminatory. Being angry at someone's very offensive arguments doesn't change that.
And, no, being angry at someone's argument doesn't change that---but those offensive arguments CAN change how feminism is viewed when those arguments are the loudest/most prominent ones being made. And they deserve anger and disdain.
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I know several trans women, and watching them fight everyone for the right to even simply have people address them as a she is heartbreaking. This author, despite her repeated attempts at claiming it's not a "phobia," is phobic and a bigot. This isn't about feminism, it's about HER discomfort and bad experiences.

I, as much as I want to, can't hate the author of the article. I feel sorry for her, because she's going to miss out on meeting some amazing people with her closemindedness. Oh well, more awesome people for me to meet...
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A lot of this won't be an issue once we have the technology to resequence DNA (instead we'll have a whole lot of other issues).
i can see already one issue with that. we could at that point possibly do operations or procedures that could change a persons race (or at least physical features and skin colors of a race).
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We'll probably never have this, Seth. At least, not in the sense you're wanting (changing DNA of an entire adult organism, on a complex-trait-alteration scale). Male/female distinctions also go beyond DNA sequence, so the entire imprinted epigenome would also have to be altered, and now we're talking about TWO massive, MASSIVE leaps in technology. /molecular biologist

And it's no surprise that I have to agree with everyone here - this article is such a piece of shit, written by a very hateful person.
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Author identifies herself as a lesbian separatist which, while it's possible to be objective, is highly unlikely. Hateful article.
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Wow, thats a new one. This is the first I've heard of Lesbian Separatism.

I have never understood how someone can be so attuned to the rights of one group but HATE another so much.
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i finally had time to read this (or, should i say, try to read this) and i find it fairly impenetrable (no pun intended!). It reads like Valerie Solanis is at the wheel.... Is it part of some larger work? It's so poorly written. I don't want to say that her ideas aren't offensive only b/c they're poorly written, b/c I don't mean that, but I thought this was going to be some kind of well-researched, well-developed opinion piece and all it seems like to me is one person's ranting. And poorly-argued ranting at that.

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I read the majority of it but just had no desire to finish that drivel. Its just a hate filled screed about how awful men are (Yay!). The sad part is that based on the comments her ideas are shared by some. I especially like how the respell woman/women as womon/womyn/wommin, hatred much ?
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I read the majority of it but just had no desire to finish that drivel. Its just a hate filled screed about how awful men are (Yay!). The sad part is that based on the comments her ideas are shared by some. I especially like how the respell woman/women as womon/womyn/wommin, hatred much ?
I don't think someone who uses 'womon/womyn/wommin' automatically is a hater, and wonder why you think that? There is a lot of well-reasoned academic work out there on the power of language, and how our world shapes many prejudices in the everyday language we choose to use to describe our world. I don't use those terms myself, but don't automatically think someone is a 'man hater' or whatever because they want to work to end linguistic patriarchy in the English language.


I haven't read the article, and have no plans to, so my commentary has zero connection to how those words were used in that article.
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