Former Penn State Assistant Coach Accused of Molestation

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

So, let me ask this:

Should Penn State be barred from playing in the Bowl? Should the rest of the season be cancelled?

I say no, and not because I'm a Penn State student. I say NO because that's punishing the boys who worked hard, both at practice and academically. They had no control over what the administration/coaches have done. Those boys have worked their asses off to get to this point.

So, those trying to demand that Penn State be excluded from the games, who are they really punishing? The administrators? A little, only financially. The real victims in this case are the players, who are students, that have nothing to do with the scandal except that they chose Penn State.

I say no on the Bowl bar and season cancel.

Its not the current players fault that their coach was in cahoots with a child molester who was fired a decade earlier.

[lypeaches]

The students should be allowed to play. The situation is not their fault.

It would be a great PR move on their part if they did play, and they used the further exposure to somehow raise awareness or money or something against child abuse. They don't have to, but it would be a smart move.

Meanwhile, since the latest scandal broke at Syracuse, maybe that will ease the media heat a bit for you there at Penn State, Devendoom.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by lypeaches

The students should be allowed to play. The situation is not their fault.

It would be a great PR move on their part if they did play, and they used the further exposure to somehow raise awareness or money or something against child abuse. They don't have to, but it would be a smart move.

Meanwhile, since the latest scandal broke at Syracuse, maybe that will ease the media heat a bit for you there at Penn State, Devendoom.

The Syracuse one is just as bad.

The guy apparently brought an 11 year old boy to all these tournaments and roomed/showered with him.

[mango]

Will American college football rival the Catholic Church as a haven/refuge for gay pedophiles?

[The Orange Mage]

Originally Posted by mango

Will American college football rival the Catholic Church as a haven/refuge for gay pedophiles?

ANY organization that deals with young boys is suspect. I'm personally waiting for the Boy Scouts to have a huge scandal break out.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by mango

Will American college football rival the Catholic Church as a haven/refuge for gay pedophiles?

Syracuse is basketball.

[Deven]

Joe was diagnosed with Lung cancer last week.

Penn State's Reply:

“Joe Paterno and his family are in our thoughts and prayers. Anyone who has ever been around Coach Paterno knows he has tremendous drive and fight. The Penn State community will be in his corner and wishes him a speedy recovery.”

I hate the new Athletics Director already.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

Joe was diagnosed with Lung cancer last week.

Penn State's Reply:

“Joe Paterno and his family are in our thoughts and prayers. Anyone who has ever been around Coach Paterno knows he has tremendous drive and fight. The Penn State community will be in his corner and wishes him a speedy recovery.”

I hate the new Athletics Director already.

What do you want him to say? lol geez

[Deven]

Originally Posted by KHayes666

What do you want him to say? lol geez

Not commenting at all would've suited me fine. People are now admitting it was a witch hunt.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

Not commenting at all would've suited me fine. People are now admitting it was a witch hunt.

Clarifying the reason behind not saying anything:

Saying "They are in his corner" is a slap in the face after the past week, especially now that some people are saying it was just a witch hunt, and now some people are going, "was there really a reason to fire Paterno?" Penn State wasn't in his corner earlier, why be in his corner now? It's PR bullcrap.

I don't like lies. Someone should force whoever wrote that phony statement to have Umbridge's quill from Harry Potter that scratches whatever you write into your hand, and the same sentence that Potter was made to write, over and over: I Must Not Tell Lies. I wish that quill wasn't fictional.

[Deven]

So, now that the Senate has scheduled the first hearing about the Penn State University Scandal, and ESPN has crucified Joe Paterno to the wall while holding onto a tape that might've saved Syracuse a lot of headache, it brings to the surface one question:

Why didn't anyone turn this tape over to the police when the accusations surfaced?

They essentially did what they are nailing Joe to the wall for:

Not going to the police.

I will defend Joe Paterno until the end of this. He was told second hand, did what school policy outlined in the case of SUSPECTED sexual abuse. Joe DID NOT witness the abuse firsthand. Neither did ESPN, but there was suspicion and they knew about it. So, they didn't go to the cops. I wonder what will be said in their own defense.

Talk about hypocrisy...

[Rojodi]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

So, now that the Senate has scheduled the first hearing about the Penn State University Scandal, and ESPN has crucified Joe Paterno to the wall while holding onto a tape that might've saved Syracuse a lot of headache, it brings to the surface one question:

Why didn't anyone turn this tape over to the police when the accusations surfaced?

They essentially did what they are nailing Joe to the wall for:

Not going to the police.

I will defend Joe Paterno until the end of this. He was told second hand, did what school policy outlined in the case of SUSPECTED sexual abuse. Joe DID NOT witness the abuse firsthand. Neither did ESPN, but there was suspicion and they knew about it. So, they didn't go to the cops. I wonder what will be said in their own defense.

Talk about hypocrisy...

Neither ESPN nor the NY Daily News, which also received a copy of the recording, could NOT authenticate who was actually on the recording. Would you have liked them to go ahead and run with the story without verification, like ALL Murdoch papers and tv?

[Rojodi]

Originally Posted by mango

Will American college football rival the Catholic Church as a haven/refuge for gay pedophiles?

ALL religions have their pedophiles, and to say they don't makes you look like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

[DELIMAN092262]

Originally Posted by Rojodi

Neither ESPN nor the NY Daily News, which also received a copy of the recording, could NOT authenticate who was actually on the recording. Would you have liked them to go ahead and run with the story without verification, like ALL Murdoch papers and tv?

Before you get all self-righteous I would caution you that even liberal media outlets have been accused of misconduct. Some examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Cooke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian...ts_controversy

Originally Posted by Rojodi

ALL religions have their pedophiles, and to say they don't makes you look like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

The truth is there are atheist that are pedophiles. Being a person of faith is as relevant as whether someone is left-handed.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by Rojodi

Neither ESPN nor the NY Daily News, which also received a copy of the recording, could NOT authenticate who was actually on the recording. Would you have liked them to go ahead and run with the story without verification, like ALL Murdoch papers and tv?

No. I would like them to have turned the tape over to authorities who could have authenticated the tape.

[Deven]

So, where's everyone who was quick to condemn Joe Paterno, who followed school guidelines in the case of SUSPECTED child abuse?

Disney/ESPN KNEW there was suspected child abuse, spent 6 months doing their own private investigations, instead of turning over the tape to police, who might've been able to verify it, since they had ways of making the wife talk. More than ESPN had.

Yet, everyone who was quick to nail Joe Paterno's ass to the wall for following school guidelines for suspected child abuse is strangely silent. Where's the same outrage? ESPN is owned by Disney, the corporate giant that is all about the children.

THEY HAD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE!!!

What did Joe Paterno have?

The word of someone else. Nothing else. Second hand information. Hmm.. a tape, that could've been voice authenticated by police, who could get a warrant, who could throw the woman in jail if she didn't reveal what she knew... versus a man who was told by another person that he saw something in the shower...

Hearsay vs. evidence. Which one is the more condemnable?

But, I guess crucifying an 84 year old man that followed protocol (you know, since the 28 year old witness was too much of a coward to come forward until 9 years later) is more satisfying.

[LillyBBBW]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

So, where's everyone who was quick to condemn Joe Paterno, who followed school guidelines in the case of SUSPECTED child abuse?

Disney/ESPN KNEW there was suspected child abuse, spent 6 months doing their own private investigations, instead of turning over the tape to police, who might've been able to verify it, since they had ways of making the wife talk. More than ESPN had.

Yet, everyone who was quick to nail Joe Paterno's ass to the wall for following school guidelines for suspected child abuse is strangely silent. Where's the same outrage? ESPN is owned by Disney, the corporate giant that is all about the children.

THEY HAD POSSIBLE EVIDENCE!!!

What did Joe Paterno have?

The word of someone else. Nothing else. Second hand information. Hmm.. a tape, that could've been voice authenticated by police, who could get a warrant, who could throw the woman in jail if she didn't reveal what she knew... versus a man who was told by another person that he saw something in the shower...

Hearsay vs. evidence. Which one is the more condemnable?

But, I guess crucifying an 84 year old man that followed protocol (you know, since the 28 year old witness was too much of a coward to come forward until 9 years later) is more satisfying.

Did you hear what was on the tape? There wasn't enough there for a story, it didn't even qualify as evidence. It still doesn't, it only qualifies as evidence that the paper conducted an investigation but there is no smoking gun. Paterno had an eye witness with no motive to lie, tossed a nickel in the old protocol machine and walked away. I'm still glad the old geezer is gone. Sorry.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by LillyBBBW

Did you hear what was on the tape? There wasn't enough there for a story, it didn't even qualify as evidence. It still doesn't, it only qualifies as evidence that the paper conducted an investigation but there is no smoking gun. Paterno had an eye witness with no motive to lie, tossed a nickel in the old protocol machine and walked away. I'm still glad the old geezer is gone. Sorry.

No reason to lie, eh? Right. That's why they are questioning his credibility. Because he lied after the fact, contradicting his own Grand Jury testimony. The same McQueary that sat on the fact a kid was molested for 9 years and didn't go to the police himself. (And those are all separate links to reputable papers. The Altoona Mirror, the Wall Street Journal, PennLive, NY Daily News...)

Say Paterno did go to the cops. Who would the cops have wanted to question? Not Paterno: McQueary. It's Sandusky and McQueary's fault that this mess has even blown up to the proportions it has.

I'm not defending Sandusky, but the way everyone acts, Joe should've been a mind reader.

And that tape was still possible evidence, I don't care how little is on it. Joe had EVEN LESS! And, as you can see from the links I posted above, McQueary might not be very reliable.

"I think there may have been others." Right. That's not an admission that your husband probably molested more than that kid.

And Joe isn't an old geezer. I try to respect everyone, but until you've come to Penn State, until you've MET Joe Paterno (and yes, I have,) don't call him an old geezer.

Joe was the ONLY one to follow any sort of proper protocol. Instead, JOE'S superior (and don't pretend he didn't have one) and Schultz decided to cover it up. I don't hear the names Curley or Schultz used hardly enough, but then again, no one cares to read about the story before pointing fingers at the most legendary coach in college football history. I don't hear the name McQueary being used enough, either.

Thank God that McQueary will probably be gone by next year, as the campus can't afford the security sweeps for bombs that come with the cost of keeping him on as an Assistant Coach. It's cheaper to just place him on indefinite paid leave. He's already told his receivers that he won't be back. The only reason he isn't fired is because he's covered under the whistleblower law.

Or how about the fact that Governor Tom Corbett is covering his own tail? He was AG when the first Sandusky accusations came to light. Sure, we'll let him keep molesting kids to be able to build a better case. Who cares about the kids?

There is also a movement to overturn the Board of Trustees, because the Alumni of Penn State are pretty sure they are just covering their own tails as well. (Two separate links.)

[lypeaches]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

No reason to lie, eh? Right. That's why they are questioning his credibility. Because he lied after the fact, contradicting his own Grand Jury testimony. The same McQueary that sat on the fact a kid was molested for 9 years and didn't go to the police himself. (And those are all separate links to reputable papers. The Altoona Mirror, the Wall Street Journal, PennLive, NY Daily News...)

Say Paterno did go to the cops. Who would the cops have wanted to question? Not Paterno: McQueary. It's Sandusky and McQueary's fault that this mess has even blown up to the proportions it has.

[/url] (Two separate links.)

There's a distinction to be made here. INITIALLY, McQueary had no reason to lie, when he first witnessed the rape. Reporting it potentially could have affected his career negatively...he had not reason to lie for reporting it. He did, however, have a very good reason to lie in the alleged email to his friends...he was getting crucified in the press, and I'll wager that many people would be tempted to try to repaint the story to put themselves in a better light. As for his credibility being questioned...that's a lawyers job. They would question St. Peter's credibility if he were a witness for the other side. I read every one of your articles...and there really isn't any proof that he lied. I certainly wouldn't take the campus polices word for it....you think they don't have any off-the-record discussions with people? He could well have spoken with someone with the campus police, or even the regular state police for that matter, and there could well be no record of it. They're just as concerned with covering their own ass as everyone else.

The one thing I noted in one of your article that was interesting....that someone noted that there had been "rumors" of Sandusky's behavior for years. I'd be willing to bet that there were literally hundreds of people that "knew" something was going on, but no one had the courage to take a closer look. They can all rot in hell, imo.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by lypeaches

There's a distinction to be made here. INITIALLY, McQueary had no reason to lie, when he first witnessed the rape. Reporting it potentially could have affected his career negatively...he had not reason to lie for reporting it. He did, however, have a very good reason to lie in the alleged email to his friends...he was getting crucified in the press, and I'll wager that many people would be tempted to try to repaint the story to put themselves in a better light. As for his credibility being questioned...that's a lawyers job. They would question St. Peter's credibility if he were a witness for the other side. I read every one of your articles...and there really isn't any proof that he lied. I certainly wouldn't take the campus polices word for it....you think they don't have any off-the-record discussions with people? He could well have spoken with someone with the campus police, or even the regular state police for that matter, and there could well be no record of it. They're just as concerned with covering their own ass as everyone else.

The one thing I noted in one of your article that was interesting....that someone noted that there had been "rumors" of Sandusky's behavior for years. I'd be willing to bet that there were literally hundreds of people that "knew" something was going on, but no one had the courage to take a closer look. They can all rot in hell, imo.

Sandusky was prohibited from holding youth sports camps on campus in 2002, but continued to hold them through 2008 under his Sandusky Associates company at the university's Behrend campus, just outside Erie. The University security is the ones at fault for not enforcing the ban.

The ban would be school wide, not just at the University Park (State College) campus.

McQueary had to have known that reporting it now would have a negative impact. He was determined to coach up until Penn State put him on administrative leave, when they got death threats with McQueary's name on them, along with the bomb threat that Saturday morning at Beaver Stadium. McQueary will probably get a settlement from Penn State, but he'll definitely, and thankfully, never work again. I feel too much blame is being placed on Paterno, who has said that he was not told the same events the Grand Jury was told (which is also in the link above,) and that if he had been told those events, things would've turned out different. Mike McQueary has now told three versions of the event: One to Paterno, one to Curley and Schultz, and one to the Grand Jury. The one he told Paterno differed from the one he supposedly told Curley and Schultz.

Also, when stating that you filed TWO police reports, you aren't making yourself look bad: You're making THEM look bad as well.

[lypeaches]

I must have missed the part where he said he filed two police reports? I hate to get technical on you, but we're talking legal situations...so when you say you "talked" to the police, that doesn't necessarily mean that you "filed a report".

I might point out it is possible that Mr. Paterno could also be recoloring the past in order to put himself in a better light. It's human nature, even for "saints". He has already indicated that he wished he had done more...which would imply that he feels a bit guilty about something.

Again, way too many people knew about this, and did nothing.

[Deven]

Originally Posted by lypeaches

I must have missed the part where he said he filed two police reports? I hate to get technical on you, but we're talking legal situations...so when you say you "talked" to the police, that doesn't necessarily mean that you "filed a report".

I might point out it is possible that Mr. Paterno could also be recoloring the past in order to put himself in a better light. It's human nature, even for "saints". He has already indicated that he wished he had done more...which would imply that he feels a bit guilty about something.

Again, way too many people knew about this, and did nothing.

Mr. Paterno might be. But I'm inclined to believe him over McQueary.

This is what I mean by "talked to the police." The title of the article says EXACTLY what I mean. (Links to CNN) The article also says that he might've just tipped them off. This is impossible to determine if he did, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. He's lying somewhere, and to someone, the question is who is he lying to? I believe the victims, but I don't believe McQueary.

[LeoGibson]

The whole damn episode stinks to high heaven. They all, every one of them involved including the old football coach should be out on their collective asses. The way each and every party handled the molestation were reprehensible and anyone that myopically defends any one of them, the old ball coach included, is equally reprehensible in my mind and I honestly can't take seriously anything they say.

On an aside, saying that the old ball coach followed protocol and what more could he do is just a hollow cop-out. Paterno was a lowly old school employed ball coach about the same way good ol' Bill Gates is just a software nerd and computer geek with a company.He had much more power than his apologists want to admit. He could have done more, he should have done more. He didn't and he got what he got. Good. Now make sure everyone else involved is just as gone.

[tonynyc]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

Mr. Paterno might be. But I'm inclined to believe him over McQueary.

Well hopefully JoeP is appreciative of your support for him....

Originally Posted by LeoGibson

The whole damn episode stinks to high heaven. They all, every one of them involved including the old football coach should be out on their collective asses. .

Sure it stinks... perhaps we may or may not ever learn the truth of what Joe P knew...

[lypeaches]

Originally Posted by DevenDoom

Mr. Paterno might be. But I'm inclined to believe him over McQueary.

This is what I mean by "talked to the police." The title of the article says EXACTLY what I mean. (Links to CNN) The article also says that he might've just tipped them off. This is impossible to determine if he did, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. He's lying somewhere, and to someone, the question is who is he lying to? I believe the victims, but I don't believe McQueary.

We know that you are. But the article does make my point nicely, parsing the difference between "talking with" the police and "filing a report".

Anyway...just read this article which is an interview with Sandusky. Jaw-dropping stuff.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/...buse-Sandusky/