you guys might wanna see dr oz to day

[Dromond]

There is life outside the fatosphere, Mr. Cratchit.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by Dromond

There is life outside the fatosphere, Mr. Cratchit.

There's magic in the air this evening
Magic in the air
The world is at her best, you know
When people love and care
The promise of excitement
Is one the night will keep
After all, there's only one more sleep 'til Christmas

The world has got a smile today
The world has got a glow
There's no such thing as strangers when
A stranger says hello
And everyone is family
We're having so much fun
After all, there's only one more sleep 'til Christmas

'Tis the season to be jolly and joyous
With a burst of pleasure, we feel it arrive
It's the season when the saints can employ us
To spread the news about peace and to keep love alive

There's something in the wind today
That's good for everyone
Yes, faith is in our hearts today
We're shining like the sun
And everyone can feel it
The feeling's running deep
After all, there's only one more sleep 'til Christmas
After all, there's only one more sleep 'til Christmas day

[GoldenDelicious]

Originally Posted by Webmaster

That much is obvious. So perhaps you should stay with topics where you have actual firsthand knowledge.

I am good friends with a few people on the NAAFA board atm, including the chairwoman and from what I do know I understand they are totally embarrassed by their past and are trying to do everything in their power to detach themselves from it. This is why both my partner and myself are fully paid up NAAFA members. I will participate in any topics I want to and won't take suggestions from you. NAAFA seems to do a lot more for SA than they used to do. Everyone in SA agrees with this. You should keep up to date with these SA topics and breakthroughs.

[BBWAzrael]

This kind of crap really makes me mad. It reminds me of when I was first getting on the "MS rollercoaster" and I had a doctor refuse to treat me until I lost 50 lbs at least. If they are happy with their bodies the way they are and are healthy in any other way than who's flipping business is it? I say, as long as you live a healthy lifestyle then that's all that matters. The scale is just a number!

[imfree]

Originally Posted by BBWAzrael

This kind of crap really makes me mad. It reminds me of when I was first getting on the "MS rollercoaster" and I had a doctor refuse to treat me until I lost 50 lbs at least. If they are happy with their bodies the way they are and are healthy in any other way than who's flipping business is it? I say, as long as you live a healthy lifestyle then that's all that matters. The scale is just a number!

Here's a nice, old song where Segar says "I'm not a number, dammit, I'm a man!", a message that's more timely, these days, than ever!

[Russell Williams]

Originally Posted by Dromond

Dimensions is the only place I've ever heard of NAAFA. They have zero impact on the popular culture at large. I want to know what they've done for me. What lasting impact they've had on my life, because I am not seeing it.

What is NAAFA done for you.( I hope I have the correct restaurant). My wife and I went into a Denny's restaurant and there were no chairs that my wife could fit in. I talked with the manager, explained the situation, and asked him which member of his competition did he recommend we go to. I then either called or wrote a letter to the corporate office explaining what had happened and pointed out that sending potential customers to the competition was not the way to increase business volume. I identified myself as a NAAFA member. (I cannot remember if I was still a member of the Board of Directors at that time) After some discussion with the corporate offices of Denny's the corporate offices of Denny's told NAAFA that in all future Denny's built there would be some armless and movable chairs and that in every Denny's restaurant remodeled there would be some armless and movable chairs.

Somewhat later I went back to the Denny's restaurant mentioned in the second sentence of the above paragraph and told the manager what had happened. The manager said something to the effect of, "That explains it. We are scheduled for remodeling and the guidelines point out that we must have some armless and movable chairs and a remodeled restaurant."

So if you eat in a Denny's restaurant and are large or with someone else who is large the fact that you could eat there is one of the things that NAAFA has done for you.

Conrad, if you remember something differently please correct me.

[Russell Williams]

What has NAAFA done for my wife. Starting about 20 years ago I started bugging the local medical facilities that do body scans, CAT scans and MRIs and those type of things, I continually pointed out that Washington County had one of the highest percentages of fat people in the whole country. I talked with manufacturers to find out what was available and why larger ones were not being made. Since I was a cochairperson of Cumberland Valley NAAFA I would occasionally get calls from people needing body scans and I would give them the information I had.

When the wonderful Louise Wolfe went through her heart attack and cancer she needed a full body scan. Only at Johns Hopkins would they do the operation on her. Aohns Hopkins did not have any body scanner that would handle her size. Washington County Maryland did have body scanners that would handle her size. I do not know for certain that the fact that Washington County has them and Johns Hopkins does not is in any way related to my actions. However, when I was telling a friend about Washington County having the scanners and Johns Hopkins not having one her response was, "Of course, Russell Williams lives in Washington County!"

[Russell Williams]

There is a local complex of doctors offices. For years I bugged them about the need to have some wide chairs in each office. It got to the point where in the medical lab where I had to go once a month or so for blood tests I started doing sit- ins. I came close to being arrested but as the discussion was being held everybody else in the lab and waaiting area could hear what I perceived the problem to be. Eventually that lab and more and more other doctors offices, in that complex, started having some wide chairs. I was later told that news of my activities had reached the person who designed that medical facility. I was told that he designed and built such medical complexes all over the country and that in the future he would make sure that every one he built had some wide chairs in every office.

[Russell Williams]

Originally Posted by GoldenDelicious

I am good friends with a few people on the NAAFA board atm, including the chairwoman and from what I do know I understand they are totally embarrassed by their past and are trying to do everything in their power to detach themselves from it. This is why both my partner and myself are fully paid up NAAFA members. I will participate in any topics I want to and won't take suggestions from you. NAAFA seems to do a lot more for SA than they used to do. Everyone in SA agrees with this. You should keep up to date with these SA topics and breakthroughs.

When I was a member of the NAAFA Board of Directors my position was that the social activities funded the activism activities. Many people were willing to come to social activities and pay a lot of money to get into them. While at the social activities they would sometimes complain about the way they were treated as fat people but they would not participate in activities that might help reduce size discrimination.

So, if we could not get them to donate money to activism we could get them to pay money to come to social activities and use some of the profits to fund activism projects.

Former board member Louise Wolfe agrees with the above and just commented that sometimes as they were exposed to the activism activities at the social activities, they would start becoming more involved in the activism activities.

[Russell Williams]

Originally Posted by GoldenDelicious

I am good friends with a few people on the NAAFA board atm, including the chairwoman and from what I do know I understand they are totally embarrassed by their past and are trying to do everything in their power to detach themselves from it. This is why both my partner and myself are fully paid up NAAFA members. I will participate in any topics I want to and won't take suggestions from you. NAAFA seems to do a lot more for SA than they used to do. Everyone in SA agrees with this. You should keep up to date with these SA topics and breakthroughs.

Once at some sort of a NAAFA social function a woman said to me, "Three days at a NAAFA weekend has done more for my self-image than three years of psychotherapy."

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by Russell Williams

What is NAAFA done for you.( I hope I have the correct restaurant). My wife and I went into a Denny's restaurant and there were no chairs that my wife could fit in. I talked with the manager, explained the situation, and asked him which member of his competition did he recommend we go to. I then either called or wrote a letter to the corporate office explaining what had happened and pointed out that sending potential customers to the competition was not the way to increase business volume. I identified myself as a NAAFA member. (I cannot remember if I was still a member of the Board of Directors at that time) After some discussion with the corporate offices of Denny's the corporate offices of Denny's told NAAFA that in all future Denny's built there would be some armless and movable chairs and that in every Denny's restaurant remodeled there would be some armless and movable chairs.

Somewhat later I went back to the Denny's restaurant mentioned in the second sentence of the above paragraph and told the manager what had happened. The manager said something to the effect of, "That explains it. We are scheduled for remodeling and the guidelines point out that we must have some armless and movable chairs and a remodeled restaurant."

So if you eat in a Denny's restaurant and are large or with someone else who is large the fact that you could eat there is one of the things that NAAFA has done for you.

Conrad, if you remember something differently please correct me.

What if he doesn't eat at Dennys? What if he rarely leaves the house? What if he eats at IHOP instead? Forget about all the good things NAAFA has done for you and everyone else the last 30 years, WHAT ABOUT HIS NEEDS GOD DAMMIT!!!???

[Dromond]

Originally Posted by KHayes666

What if he doesn't eat at Dennys? What if he rarely leaves the house? What if he eats at IHOP instead? Forget about all the good things NAAFA has done for you and everyone else the last 30 years, WHAT ABOUT HIS NEEDS GOD DAMMIT!!!???

The Americans with Disabilities Act provides the legal teeth for any accommodation of fat people in public spaces. I don't feel particularly indebted to NAAFA for that.

[Mishty]

I would like to say,in college I had very few desks I could actually fit in,and I did ask my professors about it and I was promptly sent to the prudish Dean to complain. One mention of the NAAFA and my rights had him nodding and offering to place larger desks in each of my classes. I wasn't even a card carrying member at the time,but he knew a ruckus could be made.

I can't just toss out what has been done.
My own Mama was denied rights years ago,when being fat wasn't a disability but a gross thing you were to ignorant to control/fix. When the only time fat disabilities were acknowledged was during a law suit toward someone for physical injuries and such.

I think the NAAFA has died down in the last couple of years,but considering they were the path makers,the trail blazers,the people blasted and taunted for even thinking they had rights because of their size, I think I do owe them respect. I was only 17 when I found the old NAAFA website and a light bulb started burning bright for me and my body and my body's rights.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by Dromond

The Americans with Disabilities Act provides the legal teeth for any accommodation of fat people in public spaces. I don't feel particularly indebted to NAAFA for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBthi...eature=related

That about covers it

[Deadbolt100]

After reading this entire post over the course of a few days I have to feel a bit insulted. I identify as a feeder, but i feel empathy, i care about size acceptance issues, I don't just fatten and leave a significant other, and above all I take into consideration the well being of the person who I am with above my needs. So some of the statements made are gross stereotypes, Dims is a place for everyone to come together and it is because of this that I am saddened that there is so much arguing and bickering. I think this article has lost its focus and should be locked seeing how it has devolved from something we can all hate (Dr.Oz) into a debate about NAAFA and so i suggest start a new post about NAAFA.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by Deadbolt100

After reading this entire post over the course of a few days I have to feel a bit insulted. I identify as a feeder, but i feel empathy, i care about size acceptance issues, I don't just fatten and leave a significant other, and above all I take into consideration the well being of the person who I am with above my needs. So some of the statements made are gross stereotypes, Dims is a place for everyone to come together and it is because of this that I am saddened that there is so much arguing and bickering. I think this article has lost its focus and should be locked seeing how it has devolved from something we can all hate (Dr.Oz) into a debate about NAAFA and so i suggest start a new post about NAAFA.

No self respecting human being does that. Its not a feeder thing, its a sociopathic deformity thing.

[GoldenDelicious]

Originally Posted by Russell Williams

Once at some sort of a NAAFA social function a woman said to me, "Three days at a NAAFA weekend has done more for my self-image than three years of psychotherapy."

Nice anecdote. Perhaps I should be more clear. When I said that the current NAAFA members are embarrassed by their past and want to remove themselves from it totally and move on a huge part of this has to do with the fact that a lot of the ex board members were feeders. The SA movement wants to detach itself totally from this fetish. I have been told of other embarrassments too, in I guess the sort of unwritten history of NAAFA.
NAAFA are doing more now for fat people that they ever did. From what I am told, the old NAAFA was more about people 'dating' each other than political movement of any kind.

[chocolate desire]

I know I am late fr the rodeo but had to put in my two cents.As for me I did not go on Dr Odd fr 15 minutes of fame I have had that already years ago.I did not go for the so called vacation as it was cold there and if I wated a vacation I would have went bac to L.A. Now for the reasons I did go.. I was contacted about doing show about people of size and happy with their life. I happen to fit that catagory so I went.Upon arrival is when I was told four other people would be there to help convince Dr Odd that you can b overweight and happy. It was not until the morning of the show that I found out there would be four other ladies and it would be a debate.When given the option to leave I stayed to be noisey as I said because nothing the had said thus far clicked to me why I should be fat and unhappy.Not naming names but 2 ladies on the other side have kept in contact with me and has even gone so far as to threaten to sue because they did not get the help they was promised. I can only hope someone somewhere watched the show and said if they are fat and happy the I can be too. I made it clear I am not a feedee although I see nothin wrong wth it. The only thing I hate about the whole experince was bcause I would no say I wanted to bethe biggest lady in the world they felt none of my other words were important.I had a great time met new friends and even get famous grey papaya hotdogs. Down me if you must but do so for the right thing not because I will use any means that come my way if I can make a difference in one persons life who thinks life is over because diets dont work for them. You can be fat and happy.

[LoveBHMS]

NAAFA taking a position on feederism makes as much sense as the National Organization for Women taking a position on BDSM.

Fetishes are just sexuality. You can practice them in a bad way but having them doesn't make you a bad person.

[bigmac]

Originally Posted by LoveBHMS

NAAFA taking a position on feederism makes as much sense as the National Organization for Women taking a position on BDSM.

Fetishes are just sexuality. You can practice them in a bad way but having them doesn't make you a bad person.

Actually no! Like it or not the feeder/feedee issue undermines efforts to gain meaningful rights and protections for fat people. To be effective any fat rights organization needs to separate itself from feederism.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by bigmac

Actually no! Like it or not the feeder/feedee issue undermines efforts to gain meaningful rights and protections for fat people. To be effective any fat rights organization needs to separate itself from feederism.

That's like saying gay rights activists need to separate themselves from the type of gays that wear assless chaps in public.

Separation is not acceptance.

[bigmac]

Originally Posted by KHayes666

That's like saying gay rights activists need to separate themselves from the type of gays that wear assless chaps in public.

Separation is not acceptance.

No -- more like separating themselves from guys who bareback in bathhouses.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by bigmac

No -- more like separating themselves from guys who bareback in bathhouses.

Would the gay rights activists do that? No.

So why should the size acceptance community turn their backs on feederism and those who partake in it?

Otherwise its "Then they came for me" and all the people with their noses in the air looking down at feederism, the seriously overweight, the pornstars, the ones who take pictures of food in public and the bbw bash goers....will be all alone when society condems them too.

[bigmac]

Originally Posted by KHayes666

Would the gay rights activists do that? No.

Actually they did turn their backs on bathhouse culture.

[KHayes666]

Originally Posted by bigmac

Actually they did turn their backs on bathhouse culture.

That sucks for them. If their message is "be gay our way or you don't count" then they're just as pathetic as the size acceptance people who turn their backs on feederism.