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  1. Feb 11, 2015 #121

    Yakatori

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    Were this Aussie parliament, I would support this like a proper back-bencher (Laura Smyth, Federal Membah - La Trobe); so maybe a low, dignified, but-not-so-low-you-can’t-definitely-tell-its-mehere, here!” Punctuated with some appropriately-timed nods indicating our mutual disapproval of the thing spoken-out against. And lots of furrowed brow and other serious-owl type facial expressions.

    Here’s hoping you won’t mind yet another:

    See, put this way, and also as others (who would most likely prefer to stay out of this altogether) have often described it, it just really seems like several very distinct sites or groups of consumers/customers all merged into one. For the sake of simple economy.

    So, the brick & mortar type of example that comes to my mind is necessarily that of….a hotel, not necessarily a particularly fancy one, but more like the middling type of what you often find near the airport. Like, it’s not that-good, because it doesn’t really have to be; it’s near the airport, that pretty much, by itself, serves its most basic function. But, then again, it’s not that bad because…it’s a hotel. And not a mo-tel.

    As such, there’s also a restaurant. Because, practically-speaking, any decent sized hotel pretty much has to have one. So, that can go in (at least) two different ways: Generally (lots of broad generalizations here, but just bear with me, just having a bit of fun here) the restaurant is either very good; like, better than you would’ve expected, just because you’ve been to your share of hotels just like this one and, on the balance, the attached-restaurants are typically not-so-good. Or, kind of, more in-line with what you were expecting, the restaurant is basically crappy. I mean, it can be any of a number of things that actually make it crappy; food, service, value, closes too early....opens too late…doesn’t really matter. But, the point is, the restaurant is not really a destination unto itself. Outside of, maybe, a select group of people. And that’s only, like, when it’s particularly, uncanningly good.

    And then (just rounding out here), there’s, like, a bar. But it’s not just a bar like you’d expect to see in any restaurant. (In fact, extending the metaphor, the restaurant-itself has its own physical-bar that drinks are served out of when the restaurant-itself is actually in service; but that’s not really a bar anyone would just sit-at and drink. Unless they were, in theory, waiting for a table or the rest of their party. But, obviously that never happens here because the restaurant is not that busy; there’s always plenty of tables and, there, people always/only show up as complete parties). It’s more like a night-club, singles-club, etc…

    But. It’s not, like, the type of club you might see on Ocean Drive/Collins in Miami, okay? And it’s not, like, the Limelight. Or what you might expect to see in some of the bigger casinos out in Vegas. That’s not really…. It’s not even, really, trying to be like those places. This place, the type of place this is…., there’s no pretense.

    Or maybe there’s just a little: I mean, yeah, there are some very young 20-something modely types with foreign accents as well as some young-money type thugs, who would just be par for the course in any of those other spots. But here, those people really stand out, and as much for how much everyone else-taken individually does as well.

    It’s just a very mixed bag. Like, there are very cliché divorced guys in vettes and comb-overs; as, inevitably, some of their ex-wives as well. There are mechanics and guys who own gas stations; who, certainly, LIKE the smell of their own cologne. (Liberally splashed over a good amount of body-hair) And that wear a bit of gold, whose general enthusiasm & speech volume more than effectively compensates for whatever lapse in syntax. (Those guys all drive older Benzes, with good speakers, the better which to broadcast their respective mating signals. And, by way of magnetization or ready-applied adhesive, decorated with whatever applicable or otherwise-appropriate religious imagery or symbols; although, tonight, they are most certainly on a mission of another kind!) As there are 40 year old virgins. And people who use wheelchairs. (More than just one, who don’t even know each other) Dancing with others who don’t. And little old ladies who just want a drink with an umbrella. People on vacation, who otherwise wouldn’t dare.

    So, too, there are, obviously, obviously, people of all shapes & sizes, across substantial ranges in age or whatever other demographics, all unified in their participation in a kind of masquerade; hiding, perhaps, from the circles from which they’re most ordinarily known…..in order to cheat, somehow. Just as they’re solidly married couples, who’re friendly enough, and just people-watching, being social. As there are actual-swingers, wannabes, & some couples who’re like something out of cartoon. If Steven King wrote it. (Or, perhaps, Edward Albee) There are people who’re, however temporarily, just trying to get-through something, like a break-up or loss of some sort. Or, possibly, reconnect with something, even if just one more time, as it inevitably fades; as all things eventually do. As there are those who don’t yet have even a clue of how difficult things are about to become.

    And so, the people from the hotel, all travelers in their own right, as well; they, naturally, walk into all of this with a feeling of being, kind of, nonplussed. Like, wtf is this? Who are these people? And why are they all here? What are they even….doing here?

    That is, maybe, the first time. Or the second. But, maybe, on a yet another trip, they wrangle a friend or co-worker to just “Hey, check this out…you will not believe this place. I mean, I can’t really describe it; you just have to see it for yourself. It’s just out of this world.” And then, maybe, through this surreal type of experience, they somehow decide for themselves to just merge into this thing, for however long it lasts, to actually feel its energy, to somehow be a part of it. To just experience it, even if on its own terms.

    Or, they don’t.

    So, instead, in lieu of that; they just, you know, drink too much and throw up all over one of the sub-woofers. Or they smash a glass right onto the middle of the dance floor. Or they get really pissed off because not everyone (not every single guy in the place, not every last swinging dick) agrees that she’s the very fairest of them all. And so, just keys all of the cars in that same row as one she thinks brought the others. Except, as it so happens to turn out, it’s actually my car that gets keyed.

    My innocent, (not perfect!) but certainly-special-in-it’s-own-right car that never really hurt anyone.
     
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  2. Feb 11, 2015 #122

    EMH1701

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    There is a thread in the lounge that I cannot go past page 387 on, yet it clearly has over that many pages. Even switching browsers, and clearing my cache, I can't view past page 387. Please fix that. Thanks.
     
  3. Feb 11, 2015 #123

    Saoirse

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    Ive noticed the same thing on multiple threads. Super weird.
     
  4. Feb 12, 2015 #124

    RubyRipples

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    Before I lost access to my real account there was some concern about the fact that the site owner clearly has acccess to the entire site and we don't actually know who the new site owner is but he will have full access. I don't think there was a lot of concern that the section would become "public" as such.

    However as I havent had access to my "real" account for weeks and still haven't had any response from admin about it despite several messages to them in a week, I don't know if the area still exists, sorry.
     
  5. Feb 13, 2015 #125

    Xyantha Reborn

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    I got used to things changing without my permission with facebook and game forum sites; but then I don't pay for it so my irritation is lower. I think that if the site owners are asking for and receiving money to "support" dimensions, they need to be aware that the people coming here will go from "consumers" to "customers", if you take my meaning. If people are paying for what they deem to be a service, they are going to be bound and determined to give suggestions and receive acknowledgement. With the incredibly cheap price of forums and cloud storage, I hope that they will realize that people become much more opinionated, polarized, and likely to leave for the next best thing when committing money. What I mean is - it may sensitize people further.


    Beyond that, and using Yakatori's example of a car...although the changes have been unsettling, this forum is really only a matter of conveyance to get to the people here. And there are still many people here who I like and respect...so I still come. Plus the story section.
     
  6. Feb 13, 2015 #126

    FreeThinker

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    As this is a forum in which one may participate at no cost, and as we are certain that it is a business venture, which needs vendor, product, and customer, it stands to reason that we who post are neither the customer nor the consumer, but the product.

    Someone's paying, someone's getting paid.

    We are pageviews, and advertisers will pay a forum administrator (or Webmaster) for that.

    I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is. Which is what it was.
     
  7. Feb 13, 2015 #127

    Xyantha Reborn

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    Agreed...but if the goal of the owner is revenue only, the "culture" can change. The below are 'devils advocate' arguments, NOT intended to be my opinion, and are written that way because I've seen those questions rear up before, and they invoke a strong emotional fight response.

    Right now there are no advertisements, only people paying. If I paid, do I have more of a right to dictate where dimensions is 'headed'? More than someone who hasn't paid but has contributed only via posting since the very beginning? What if the admins suddenly PMed supporting members only and asked what we wanted, and everyone else could go pound salt? I've seen it happen and it was BRUTAL.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum (still in devils advocate mode), why should I pay for something I obviously have zero control over or input to? And why should I pay when other people don't 'have' to pay for to get the same benefit? If there are advertisements, why should people pay at all?

    Donations to a "cause" (support fat friendly community) are different than membership fees, which is almost what it is right now.

    I've seen that sort of thing happen, and that is what I am more worried about than any forum merging, text sizes, or silence from admins. I'm afraid there may be a schism caused by the changes within the community itself, which people say has already shifted over the years as old members leave and new ones come online.

    It's a hard concern to vocalize...i hope it makes sense. If not, I'll drop it!

    Edit: i realized after this that the paysite could be considered advertising; my brain went lateral...though by that token, the web analytics would be able to show which users see which threads, and the same thing could occur, they may pay more attention to users subscribing yo the advertising.
     
  8. Feb 13, 2015 #128

    superodalisque

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    um there are advertisements. there have been for a long time.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2015 #129

    Tad

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    Where are you seeing them? There on every page for a while, then I stopped seeing any (granted, I'm not usually on the paysite boards--they have banner ads for models since just about forever, those went away with the site-wide advertising, and I'm not sure what is on the paysite boards currently).

    FWIW, I'm all for ads on the site, if it keeps it running and accessible.
     
  10. Feb 18, 2015 #130

    CleverBomb

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    I had the vague impression that this was the case for a while -- not necessarily to the point of actually tracking individual users's viewing history, but it did appear to slightly influence moderation decisions on occasion.

    And to some extent the paysite boards are advertising. The models/sites provide content (pretty pictures) that draws viewers (who see/click on ads on this site, or now, I suppose, consider subscribing) which pays for the exposure of the advertising (those same pretty pictures with links to their paysites).
     
  11. Feb 18, 2015 #131

    superodalisque

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    I was seeing them all over too. and I think I saw them as well when I was not signed in viewing dims from another IP. there is also an entire amazon store tab. sometimes I do see an amazon banner. I used to see all kinds od ads on areas where pix had been removed or you could not view them if not signed it. not sure now since i'm not really here all that much. and like you said the paysite adds have ALWAYS been here. so still it's odd to consider this an ad free space.
     
  12. Feb 18, 2015 #132

    lucca23v2

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    Did anyone else get a PM about buying a book? Is that something that is happening now? PM's for selling?
     
  13. Feb 18, 2015 #133

    MattB

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    I didn't get a PM, but was it from a member or from the site itself...??
     
  14. Feb 18, 2015 #134

    lucca23v2

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    Matt.. I am not sure.. it seems to have come from a person, but a company could just as well make a fake profile to sell, :shrugs: below is what I was sent..

    Hi!
    Do you want to have a book which could help you to make another person fall in love with you? Get to know more on the http://love-spells.rnrnh.com
     
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    MattB

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    I certainly hope it was a one-off spammer...
     
  16. Feb 18, 2015 #136

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    You and me both...
     
  17. Feb 18, 2015 #137

    EvilPrincess

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    Yup- the book pitch was someone abusing the pm system. Can't remove the pm or retract, but the issue has been squashed :D.
     
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    Tad

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    NM, EP got it done more quickly than me (I hadn't seen her post when I posted)
     
  19. Feb 18, 2015 #139

    EvilPrincess

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    There were two separate ones. Both have been handled ;) hope that gets the message out there no spam!

    As for advertisements on Dims... There have not been in a while
     
  20. Feb 18, 2015 #140

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    thanks EP and Tad!
     

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