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M2M, May TWO thousand blue butterflies descend on your home and bring you all the blessings in the Universe.

p.s. Please ignore all typos and mistakes. Sad, that at age 47 ONE Guiness can give me a hang over in the morning! But at least I will recycle the can!!!
 

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It is so sad how the little guys buys into the ideology that real progressives are against him and identifies with the power-elite. Believe me, they are not your friends. You and I are nothing to them except objects to be exploited.

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree then, cause I'm one of those 'evil Libertarians' who think 'progressive' is another word for control.
 

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You and I are going to have to agree to disagree then, cause I'm one of those 'evil Libertarians' who think 'progressive' is another word for control.
I'm a socialist but as an FA I gotta take into account that the current civilization or empire is not guaranteed sustainable... enjoy the elbow dimples now and the sheer madness that is the American lifestyle... it'll be nice to remember after the lites go out:doh: and the Great Dwindling begins... or when the Reptiloid Great Old Ones return:eek: to feast on our fatness...:eat1:
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Oh, I don't think liberatarians are evil at all. I think liberatarians and progressives should look for more common ground. The real evil lies in the power-elite who exploit us all for the sake of their cushy lifestyles!!!! Off with their heads! And they are the ones who use the most resources on a per person basis, not the poor or middle class. (Who happen to be fatter than the rich!)
 
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Oh, I don't think liberatarians are evil at all. I think liberatarians and progressives should look for more common ground. The real evil lies in the power-elite who exploit us all for the sake of their cushy lifestyles!!!! Off with their heads! And they are the ones who use the most resources on a per person basis, not the poor or middle class. (Who happen to be fatter than the rich!)

Here here! Do you know how much water oil companies use to remove oil from the sands in Alberta?

Maybe they should look into that before they start blame us!
 

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Um, no! A true champion of the poor would see that fat prejudice is a way for the power-elite to divert attention away from themselves. Look at that moron from Mississippi who introduced that bill to ban fat people from restaurants. He wanted to start a dialogue about the toll of obesity on MediCal. Funny that at the very same time the company he used to work for, DuPont-Merc was settling with the gov for defrauding MediCal! The same people who want to blame fat people for global warming have been covering up studies that found in was happening for decades. They have even tried to pin the poor economy on fat people. The crooks at the top lied, cheated and flat out stole, ruined our economy, and now want to blame the poorest of Americans. It is so sad how the little guys buys into the ideology that real progressives are against him and identifies with the power-elite. Believe me, they are not your friends. You and I are nothing to them except objects to be exploited.

We have plenty of people in the movement who understand those dynamics. We don't need any more generals or theorists. What we need is every average person to fight harder. Do one little thing today to fight fat prejudice. Momentium will spread because the average American IS getting tired of same old same old.

Excellent letter M2M! Much more civil than the one I am going to send him. Maybe the dynamics of good fat person/bad fat person will take effect. You are the good, calm, reasonable fat person while I am going to go for his throat!!!

Thank you for your response Pani. Actually, a little extra calm and reason is acquired with age and taught by experiences . Many posting here will eventually come around and mellow out a little more with the passage of time. But in any conflicts or wars (verbal or physical), the side that is to be victorious needs the skills of warriors, planners, generals, trainers, spies, and others. If the fat community is to prevail or even stand toe-to-toe with these hate mongers, it will take everyone's help, we will need women and men not afraid to go for the jugular vein and those smart enough to know when to do it.


But, in reference to your letter to the gentleman "tree-hugger wannabe" Mr. Barry, it will take all kinds of us to handle the vicious lies, bullshit, and pseudo-intellectual concoctions that these guys come up with. The more BS they dish out, the more irate/unkind or "really surgical strike - take no prisoners letter" they should expect to receive are a consequence. What amazes me is that on one hand they profess to love mankind and respect mother nature and turn around and in the same breath spew forth vile bigotry that would get them sued if they tried it against other groups protected by the US Civil Rights Act. So I guess the motto of Barry's organization should be "preserve the environment, burn a fatty".


I, too, wonder about the real motivation of the OP. What kind of reaction did he expect when we are told we are destroying the planet???? Honestly, I am amazed at the lack of awareness to our sensibilities!

In "The Art of War", Sun Tzu recommends the following reactions:

Therefore, the best warfare strategy is to
- attack the enemy's plans,
- next is to attack alliances,
- next is to attack the army, and the worst is to attack a walled city.

Therefore, one who is skilled in warfare principles
- subdues the enemy without doing battle,
- takes the enemy's walled city without attacking, and
- overthrows the enemy quickly, without protracted warfare.


I interpret this to mean that when dealing with an enemy (like Barry) do not let him dictate our reactions. His awareness or concept of our sensibilities is meaningless. The best strategy to win against this hate campaign is to attack his plans. The next best strategy would be to go after his sponsors or donors.
 

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But its Marxism that lead us to this whole 'people who consume more than others' horseshit to begin with. Its the whole 'each according to his needs, each according to his abilties'. Its Marxism that is still killing our society, despite how people want to sugarcoat it.

Obsessed, at all?
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I am so sick of these self hating bigger people trying to pin the end of civilization on us, so annoying! They wanna blame us for the depreciation of the world, but helllooo, last time I checked t wans't only the fatties polluting our Earth, now is it? And the worst part is the fact that all these people that want to blame us are the revered ones, the ones who get all the attention, which doesn't help the fat acceptance movement. It is gonna take all my willpower not to send that sonofabitch an E-mail, swear to baby Jesus.

Guess I better buy some running shoes for the upcoming witch hunt :(
I faintly see the bright glow of torches and pitchforks on the horizon....
( well I don't run - more of a slow walk/waddle - but you get my point)
 

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You and I are going to have to agree to disagree then, cause I'm one of those 'evil Libertarians' who think 'progressive' is another word for control.
As one of the original DIMENSIONS contributors back in '85... I often have to explain to newbies that the 'zine grew out of a certain Civil Rights organization seeking legislation to force entrepreneurs and corporations to treat fat jobseekers and employees decently. So yes we were progressive and sought control over the means of plumpness production.:blush: So when 'rebel' BHM Libertarians come by to beat their chests and roar defiance against the empire which cushions them... I can only say don't worry caveman, it'll all be gone soon...
 

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God, give me a break. Carbon is the 6th most common element in the universe and is direcly responsible for our being alive. You are MADE of oxygen and carbon (essentially). All ORGANIC LIFE is made of carbon. Organic MEANS carbon-based. The only way you or anyone else is going to 'reduce your carbon footprint' is by putting a bullet in your brainpan.

As for the 'Doctor', maybe his ass should be burned at the stake. Would teach others not to push their dogmatic religious crap upon others at the cost of millions of dollars (and its religion, not science).

Indeed. I myself have had all the oxygen and nitrogen pumped out of my flat and replaced with carbon monoxide. Those morons who tell me that carbon monoxide is poisonous obviously don't know that we're carbon based life forms (chemistry? Bah! Probably just another evil socialist conspiracy to destroy freedom, what do you think?). I've also had the chimney blocked so that when I light the fire none of that lovely carbon filled smoke can escape. And you know what makes the most nutritious supper after a hard days' work? A nice, delicious lump of coal! Nothing better for a carbon-based life form to eat.
Saying that life being carbon based means that there is nothing detrimental in pumping tons of the stuff into the environment is the same crappy logic that states that because sodium-chloride (salt) tastes quite good on my chips I should be able to take in great big lungfuls of chlorine gas without ill effects. Any volunteers to test my theory?
 

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Indeed. I myself have had all the oxygen and nitrogen pumped out of my flat and replaced with carbon monoxide. Those morons who tell me that carbon monoxide is poisonous obviously don't know that we're carbon based life forms (chemistry? Bah! Probably just another evil socialist conspiracy to destroy freedom, what do you think?).

Finished with your strawman, or are you going to next start ad hominems?
 

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Mr.rogue i can't help but wonder what your intentions were when you posted this piece..

I've already stated that i was hoping to stimulate a debate and see where, if anywhere it goes.
A few people have made some excellant points (diggers1917, Ned Sonntag)but of course i knew that some would be antagonized by Dr Barry's piece - the majority of which i disagree with.
I have no real interest in the "Big hugs" and "You look amazing! I cant understand why you cant get a boy/girlfriend" nonsense that bogs down a lot of dimensions threads and wondered what peoples opinions were on this essay.
 

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I've already stated that i was hoping to stimulate a debate and see where, if anywhere it goes.
A few people have made some excellant points (diggers1917, Ned Sonntag)but of course i knew that some would be antagonized by Dr Barry's piece - the majority of which i disagree with.
I have no real interest in the "Big hugs" and "You look amazing! I cant understand why you cant get a boy/girlfriend" nonsense that bogs down a lot of dimensions threads and wondered what peoples opinions were on this essay.

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If I remember my debate classes eons ago, you have to have people arguing both sides of an issue. It's hard to debate against someone who is not there to talk back, don't you think? Sort of like playing handball against a wall that doesn't bounce.

And your dammed right many of us are antagonized by Dr. Barry's dribble. I'm not even sure it should be dignified by a serious debate if one should pop up. And if we girls/women/ladies want to "bog down threads" by complimenting each other, admiring our pets, swapping recipes, or secret codes we will do it to our heart's content. Heck, if I want to discuss how to iron a shirt, milk a goat, skin a squirrel, or cure dropsy - I'll do that too (but on another forum).

I noticed with mild amusement that it was the men that posted on this thread that made excellent points. We women were the ones that bogged down threads. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but, the only thing that ruffles my feathers more than a stoopid fat critic are people who think women's opinions are 2nd rate and worthless. In order to effectively present a defense and offense against fat bashers, it will take us working together. Infighting among the ranks will only serve to the enemy's advantage.
 

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I've already stated that i was hoping to stimulate a debate and see where, if anywhere it goes.
A few people have made some excellant points (diggers1917, Ned Sonntag)but of course i knew that some would be antagonized by Dr Barry's piece - the majority of which i disagree with.
I have no real interest in the "Big hugs" and "You look amazing! I cant understand why you cant get a boy/girlfriend" nonsense that bogs down a lot of dimensions threads and wondered what peoples opinions were on this essay.
Hmmm this almost would've been a Hyde Park topic except it was fatspecific... I'd love to get Bogged Down in some Big Hugz these days... BBWs are thin on the ground in Social X-Ray-ridden Cape Cod...:rolleyes:
 

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It's always so heart warming to see how fat hatred manages to cut across the political spectrum!!Both the left and the right hate fatties!! Mr.rogue i can't help but wonder what your intentions were when you posted this piece..

Yeah, this guy doesn't strike me as a lefty so much as a weird fundie using lefty language to rail against the fats. Yet he couches his argument in talk that smacks of morality and damnation. If you changed a few words, his diatribe reads somewhat like those of people who hold that being fat is un-Christian.
 

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Its Marxism that is still killing our society, despite how people want to sugarcoat it.

Right? I'm saying... Because I for one see how the socialist corporate welfare state is positively killing Americans, one at a time, from the bottom up.

The funny thing is, and what I can't figure out, is how the rich LOVE socialism when it comes to subsidizing their losses, but HATE it when it comes to hoarding their gains.

Oh, rich people. lol They are so deliciously unpredictable! lololol ;)
 

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Right? I'm saying... Because I for one see how the socialist corporate welfare state is positively killing Americans, one at a time, from the bottom up.

The funny thing is, and what I can't figure out, is how the rich LOVE socialism when it comes to subsidizing their losses, but HATE it when it comes to hoarding their gains.

Oh, rich people. lol They are so deliciously unpredictable! lololol ;)

Can't rep you, but isn't it fun to laugh at the foibles of rich people-they're such lovable scamps, they are.
 

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The venerable Doctor's education has failed to inform him of two important facts:

First, a great many people classed as obese in this country live in a lower socio-economic strata -- they are not the privileged and overindulged citizens which he describes.

Second, there is enough food currently produced on this planet to give every man, woman, and child three square meals a day. The problem is one of distribution, not abundance.

While it may be easy to target overweight people, they are not the cause of global starvation and poverty.
 

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