High fructose corn syrup vs. Sugar?

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I'm curious... Does anybody else have issues with fructose? I hear over and over again that fructose and sugar are basically the same, but foods or drinks with fructose or corn syrup just don't agree with me but I seem to be able to handle sugar.

I've long ago had to give up sodas because most of them in the U.S. now use corn syrup instead of sugar. Only recently have I tried drinking Hanson's sodas which use cane sugar, those I can handle.

When I drink sodas with corn syrup I get a headache, a pain in the back of my head in particular or I get a stomach ache. Same with hot dogs or whatever type of food that has fructose in it, only a mild stomach ache with that, but I don't get a stomach ache eating kosher hot dogs without fructose.

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Or maybe you'll find this helpful? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMo3gOWC8h0

Srsly. lots of junk science re HFCS but it's hard to avoid. If the gubmint keeps subsidizing ethanol and Obama normalizes relations with Cuba watch for sugar to re-emerge as the sweetener of choice. Sadly, all health issues boil down to economics. Sorry if that's a too HP answer to your personal dilemma, Stan? JMO :bow:
 

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You need to stock up on Passover Coke!!

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I'm curious... Does anybody else have issues with fructose? I hear over and over again that fructose and sugar are basically the same, but foods or drinks with fructose or corn syrup just don't agree with me but I seem to be able to handle sugar.

I've long ago had to give up sodas because most of them in the U.S. now use corn syrup instead of sugar. Only recently have I tried drinking Hanson's sodas which use cane sugar, those I can handle.

When I drink sodas with corn syrup I get a headache, a pain in the back of my head in particular or I get a stomach ache. Same with hot dogs or whatever type of food that has fructose in it, only a mild stomach ache with that, but I don't get a stomach ache eating kosher hot dogs without fructose.

Any thoughts?
 

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I have heard that Mexican Coke still has sugar (look for the glass bottles in Mexican grocery shops) because they never developed a palate for corn syrup - and they're the original breeders of corn!

The last time I was in Safeway early this week, I noticed that there is a Pepsi Natural drink. It's very innovative, you know what the ingredients are? Water, sugar and kola nut extract. Who would've come up with that? Oh yeah, I forgot, the people who invented cola!
 

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I recently met a lady at a medical conference who self-diagnosed herself, then later her doctor agreed with her, that she suffers from fructose intolerance.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fructose-intolerance/AN01574

Thanks for the info Missaf. Come to think of it, there are some fruits that have the same effect on me such as fruits like peaches. I've never really known the difference between fructose and corn syrup... I assume that corn syrup is a type of fructose?

Or maybe you'll find this helpful? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMo3gOWC8h0

Srsly. lots of junk science re HFCS but it's hard to avoid. If the gubmint keeps subsidizing ethanol and Obama normalizes relations with Cuba watch for sugar to re-emerge as the sweetener of choice. Sadly, all health issues boil down to economics. Sorry if that's a too HP answer to your personal dilemma, Stan? JMO :bow:

I completely agree Nagel, and thanks for the info. I actually did find a Mexican grocery store that used to sell Mexican Coke (with sugar), but they had to stop selling it because their franchise agreements forbid them to do so. BTW... Many years ago when I started suspecting that fructose gave me stomach aches, I found a store online called something like "The Pop Shoppe" in the Dallas area (I completely forgot where... it may have been Ft. Worth...?) they sold many sodas with real cane sugar. My sister and her husband (who lived in Plano) took me there and we learned all sorts of things about different sodas. I found out that Dr. Pepper (also made in the Dallas / Ft. Worth area?) sells the original Dr. Pepper with sugar locally, but won't distribute it further because it tastes better than the Dr. Pepper with fructose (fructose being a cheaper ingredient, they don't want consumers preferring the one with sugar...)

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You need to stock up on Passover Coke!!

William

When I was in that place "The Pop Shoppe" I mentioned above, I tried the Dutch version of Coke which had sugar in it, I thought it tasted better and it didn't give me a stomach ache from what I remember. Just curious, where can you get Passover Coke from?

I have heard that Mexican Coke still has sugar (look for the glass bottles in Mexican grocery shops) because they never developed a palate for corn syrup - and they're the original breeders of corn!

The last time I was in Safeway early this week, I noticed that there is a Pepsi Natural drink. It's very innovative, you know what the ingredients are? Water, sugar and kola nut extract. Who would've come up with that? Oh yeah, I forgot, the people who invented cola!

That was the whole thing from what I understood of the franchise agreements that the Mexican grocery store had problems with. The Coca-Cola Corporation franchise agreements required the contracted stores to only sell products that they (the Coca-Cola Corp.) allow, and forbid them to import Coca-Cola products that are marketed for other areas or countries... Mexican Coke for example. I also read that over and over again, people preferred cane sugar to fructose so the beverage companies (Coca-Cola and Pepsi) made sure that they only had fructose based products available in the U.S. and no sugar based products that could compete with them (and be less profitable...) As Nagel said... it's all economics.
 

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Our local Costco sells sugar coke by the case in bottles. I don't like non-diet soda if i drink it. (water's my beverage of choice)
 

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I'm curious... Does anybody else have issues with fructose? I hear over and over again that fructose and sugar are basically the same, but foods or drinks with fructose or corn syrup just don't agree with me but I seem to be able to handle sugar.

I've long ago had to give up sodas because most of them in the U.S. now use corn syrup instead of sugar. Only recently have I tried drinking Hanson's sodas which use cane sugar, those I can handle.

When I drink sodas with corn syrup I get a headache, a pain in the back of my head in particular or I get a stomach ache. Same with hot dogs or whatever type of food that has fructose in it, only a mild stomach ache with that, but I don't get a stomach ache eating kosher hot dogs without fructose.

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I'm in complete agreement, Stan. Guy and I both read labels carefully when shopping and avoid high fructose corn syrup like the plague.

It give us both headaches, and I know (being highly insulin resistant) that it affects my body in other ways I just don't need. If I'm going to eat something sweet - I'll opt for real sugar (over high fructose corn syrup) every time.
 

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Our local Costco sells sugar coke by the case in bottles. I don't like non-diet soda if i drink it. (water's my beverage of choice)

I'll take a look next time I go to our local Costco! Speaking of which, I recently found out that our local Costco (in San Bernardino) has been test marketing bulk packages of Hanson's cane sugar sodas (unfortunately their root beer isn't bulk packaged...) Another interesting thing speaking of Hanson's and franchise agreements... I've noticed places like Von's (I believe they are Albertson's or Safeway in NorCal...?) that sell root beer like A&W (or whatever... also containing fructose) sell Hanson's sodas, but not Hanson's cane sugar root beer, which is reeeeaaaalllllyyy good! I've only seen Hanson's root beer at Trader Joe's.

I'm in complete agreement, Stan. Guy and I both read labels carefully when shopping and avoid high fructose corn syrup like the plague.

It give us both headaches, and I know (being highly insulin resistant) that it affects my body in other ways I just don't need. If I'm going to eat something sweet - I'll opt for real sugar (over high fructose corn syrup) every time.

Actually I think I know those other ways of effecting one's body you are talking about... I get effected that way sometimes also. The thing I'm just so puzzled about is why do foods like hot dogs and some meats have corn syrup in them? I've found that many food products have corn syrup in them that just don't make sense. I've also found it difficult to find foods let alone beverages without some sort of fructose in them. And the foods you do find without fructose in them are more expensive, like the kosher hot dogs I usually get (which are sold in bulk at our local Costco BTW...)
 

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Find yourself some Pepsi or Mountain Dew "Throwback".

Both are made with real cane sugar. It's supposed to be a limited time offer, but if we buy enough they'll see the demand for it and keep it on the market.
 

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In general high fructose corn syrup seems to be pretty nasty stuff. Standard sucrose is essentially a glucose molecule bound with a fructose molecule, and they break apart in the body pretty easily. If I recall correctly the body doesn’t read fructose intake well, basically it reads how much glucose you take in and assumes that you have equal amounts of fructose, or something like that. Or something like that, I’m sure others here could tell you far more about the biology of it all. But yah, from all I’ve read it is good stuff for everyone to avoid.

As to how to avoid it, I hate to say it but pretty much by reading labels and avoiding processed food. My wife is lactose intolerant so we’ve been doing this for years because lactose shows up in all sorts of things, and recently I’ve had my own food intolerances get worse, so have also had to work at avoiding certain things. It has taken some time, but once we got used to made from scratch we find that most processed food really doesn’t taste that good to us; it almost all relies on some combination of lots of salt, extra sweetening, and often onion or garlic powder, rather than trying to use quality ingredients or interesting flavoring. (lactose isn’t used so much as a flavoring, more as a binder for other things I think. Like most flavored potato chips contain lactose).
 

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I just read over the posts again... I also mostly drink water myself. I read somewhere that practically all drinks with sugar (fructose or whatever...) actually dehydrate you because you have to metabolize the sugar which requires hydration. Luckily we have fairly good tap water where we live. I like to keep glass bottles of cold water in the refrigerator for most of my drinking.

It appears that some COSTCOs in California carry Mexican Coke

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/397449

William

Thanks for the link William! After I leave work in a few minutes I'm going to swing by our local Costco and see if they do have the Mexican Coke just out of curiosity. I'll post whether or not they have it here.


Find yourself some Pepsi or Mountain Dew "Throwback".

Both are made with real cane sugar. It's supposed to be a limited time offer, but if we buy enough they'll see the demand for it and keep it on the market.

Thanks for the info Canonista! I did a web search of the "Throwback" beverages you mentioned...

Here is a link describing Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback...

Below is an interesting quote from the link that caught my eye... the beverage companies seem to believe (or advocate...) that HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) is metabolized the same as sugar... (Yeah.. and cigarettes aren't bad for you either... ;))

What prompted the rollout of Pepsi/Mountain Dew Throwback?

Here's the official press release spin on the purpose of the Throwback line: "'As we revamp our brand with our 'refresh everything' campaign, we want to give a nod to the fun things of the past," said Anamaria Irazabal, director of marketing, Pepsi-Cola North America Beverages. "For some, it will be a trip down memory lane but for others, it will be a chance to experience a new twist on their favorite brands'."

When I followed up regarding the removal of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and the current debate over the use of that sweetener, Pepsi replied that "these products were not created because of any health concerns. There is a lot of misinformation circulating about HFCS, but the truth is that it's made from corn and contains no artificial or synthetic ingredients or color additives. HFCS is essentially the same as table sugar and is metabolized the same."

In general high fructose corn syrup seems to be pretty nasty stuff. Standard sucrose is essentially a glucose molecule bound with a fructose molecule, and they break apart in the body pretty easily. If I recall correctly the body doesn’t read fructose intake well, basically it reads how much glucose you take in and assumes that you have equal amounts of fructose, or something like that. Or something like that, I’m sure others here could tell you far more about the biology of it all. But yah, from all I’ve read it is good stuff for everyone to avoid.

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Thanks for the chemistry aspect of it Ed! That's what I've heard from the biologists where I work... that it is sort of like sugar but it really isn't. The thing I've always wondered is how do they actually make corn syrup? The beverage companies (and food companies) always list corn syrup or fructose as a "natural product", that nothing is added to it. But I would imagine there is some processing involved in getting the "syrup" our of corn? More so than processing sugarcane I would think.

BTW, my wife also recently discovered that she is lactose intolerant... I'll pass on the information about some chips having lactose in them.
 

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Stan, I was going to PM, but you seem to have that turned off.....so I'll spam this thread a bit on lactose.

It shows up in all sorts of crazy stuff--places where you would not normally use milk at all, but it is not being used as milk but as some sort of binder. So for her sake you both need to start really reading packaging. It might be in that can of chili, or in the premade hamburger patty, or fish sticks, or.....

Good luck!
 

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I know us Brits felt a bit 'wrong' when we came to visit the States last year. As it was the first time we'd been there we had no idea things like 'Coke' and bread (!!!) contained completely different ingredients to the stuff back home. I remember a couple of us feeling headachy with a sore tummy and we put it down to this. I am however still really jealous that you lot have Trader Joes and we don't, I'd LOVE a store like that here!
 

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I just read over the posts again... I also mostly drink water myself. I read somewhere that practically all drinks with sugar (fructose or whatever...) actually dehydrate you because you have to metabolize the sugar which requires hydration. Luckily we have fairly good tap water where we live. I like to keep glass bottles of cold water in the refrigerator for most of my drinking.

We too have great tap water. And Von's is Safeway up here :)
I limit my iced tea drinking because it can dehydrate you too. (I learned this from a nutritionist, even though i drink it unsweetened) We bought an ice machine a couple summers ago so i keep my drinks icy cold :D
 

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If you like lemon (I do) San Pellegrino make a great lemonota (sp) soda that's very refreshing and is made with cane sugar. It comes both in cans and bottles. They also make a orange one which I haven't tried. It's expensive but a nice treat, makes a great wine spritzer also!
 

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Stan, I was going to PM, but you seem to have that turned off.....so I'll spam this thread a bit on lactose.

It shows up in all sorts of crazy stuff--places where you would not normally use milk at all, but it is not being used as milk but as some sort of binder. So for her sake you both need to start really reading packaging. It might be in that can of chili, or in the premade hamburger patty, or fish sticks, or.....

Good luck!

Thanks for the info Ed, I'll pass it along to Mtnmaiden. She is watching out for things that contain lactose.

We too have great tap water. And Von's is Safeway up here :)
I limit my iced tea drinking because it can dehydrate you too. (I learned this from a nutritionist, even though i drink it unsweetened) We bought an ice machine a couple summers ago so i keep my drinks icy cold :D

I actually went cold turkey on everything caffeinated for a while because caffeine makes me jittery (and doesn't particularly awaken me...) But I have since started drinking ice tea again on occasion. From what I remember Mtnmaiden telling me, I believe it is caffeine that dehydrates also?

If you like lemon (I do) San Pellegrino make a great lemonota (sp) soda that's very refreshing and is made with cane sugar. It comes both in cans and bottles. They also make a orange one which I haven't tried. It's expensive but a nice treat, makes a great wine spritzer also!

I do like lemon, that sounds like a good drink Indy! I sometimes drink Perrier mineral water with added lemon, but only on occasion when it's on sale (it can also be a bit pricey...)

I know us Brits felt a bit 'wrong' when we came to visit the States last year. As it was the first time we'd been there we had no idea things like 'Coke' and bread (!!!) contained completely different ingredients to the stuff back home. I remember a couple of us feeling headachy with a sore tummy and we put it down to this. I am however still really jealous that you lot have Trader Joes and we don't, I'd LOVE a store like that here!

Oh yes... Trader Joes's! I do appreciate having a store like them in the area. I must say that I do very much admire the Europeans, I noticed in Germany (as I assume it is in the UK...), where I have visited a few times, that the food ingredients are much more natural, or at least don't have any corn syrup (or not as much...) that I saw. I think there is more of a tradition in Europe to keep food supplies local (or perhaps out of necessity...) and less industrialized food from what I've seen.



Reporting back on my trip to Costco... I purchased another good stock of Hanson's cane soda. The 24 can combo pack containing Mandarin, Cherry Vanilla, Pomegranate and Kiwi Strawberry cost $6.99. Definitely a savings over purchasing them by the six pack, even at TJoe's. I spoke with the beverage guy at Costco, he said that he believed San Bernardino was one of a few Costco stores test marketing Hanson's. The Costco in SBdo did not have the Mexican Coke. When I asked the beverage guy about this, he said again, that different Costco stores are more than likely test marketing different items so it will probably vary at different stores. I also purchased a couple of packages of Hebrew National Kosher Franks (the standard size hot dogs...) They cost $9.99 for 4 packages containing 7 hot dogs each. From what I've heard, kosher products are usually (always?) required to contain natural products (and their definition of "natural" doesn't include corn syrup...?) Interestingly enough, I had a Muslim co-worker who told me that he purchases kosher products when he couldn't readily find hallal products (the Islamic equivalent of Kosher) because the standards are fairly close.
 

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In general high fructose corn syrup seems to be pretty nasty stuff.

No credible scientific evidence supports that statement.

If I recall correctly the body doesn’t read fructose intake well, basically it reads how much glucose you take in and assumes that you have equal amounts of fructose, or something like that.

If that were correct, then, your body would have trouble digesting Honey.
 

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I'll take a look next time I go to our local Costco! Speaking of which, I recently found out that our local Costco (in San Bernardino) has been test marketing bulk packages of Hanson's cane sugar sodas (unfortunately their root beer isn't bulk packaged...) Another interesting thing speaking of Hanson's and franchise agreements... I've noticed places like Von's (I believe they are Albertson's or Safeway in NorCal...?) that sell root beer like A&W (or whatever... also containing fructose) sell Hanson's sodas, but not Hanson's cane sugar root beer, which is reeeeaaaalllllyyy good! I've only seen Hanson's root beer at Trader Joe's.



Actually I think I know those other ways of effecting one's body you are talking about... I get effected that way sometimes also. The thing I'm just so puzzled about is why do foods like hot dogs and some meats have corn syrup in them? I've found that many food products have corn syrup in them that just don't make sense. I've also found it difficult to find foods let alone beverages without some sort of fructose in them. And the foods you do find without fructose in them are more expensive, like the kosher hot dogs I usually get (which are sold in bulk at our local Costco BTW...)



As to why high fructose corn syrup is in so many foods?

All the government subsidies that are paid to corn farmers. Plain and simple.

It used to be that sugar was in soda for sweetner - now it is high fructose corn syrup.

It makes sense.
 
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