Is BBW the most PC term?

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Saying anything like "big girls", "larger women", "fuller figured women", whatever - those are just normal ways of saying that you dig the fat women and it gets the point across easily without having to speak in weird code words.

when the topic of preference comes up, i just tell people i like fat girls.
 

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I prefer being called Round. I think Fat has such a negative connotation in today's society. I also enjoy being called pleasantly plump, but only amongst friends . . . lol. I just personally don't like BBW. but whatever, you can't always be PC!
 

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I prefer being called Round. I think Fat has such a negative connotation in today's society.
fat is only a hurtful word if you let it be hurtful.
fat is no more harmful than the words "bald," "old," "pale" or "short."
fat is an adjective, and a beautiful one at that.
 

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fat is only a hurtful word if you let it be hurtful.
fat is no more harmful than the words "bald," "old," "pale" or "short."
fat is an adjective, and a beautiful one at that.

awesome response ....

your avatar creeps me out a bit ....


but i like that ...
 

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is not my preferred term. But you are right, words only have as much power as we give them.
 

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Oh, I am fully aware of that and simply wanted to offer some historic background. Carole did enforce the trademark, but I never had any intention (nor the resources) to. I published BBW Magazine between 1999 and 2003, so the magazine hasn't existed in seven years, though the website is still up. I wish we had generated full PDFs of each issue as, fashions aside, they contained a lot of material that remains as relevant today as it was when the mags were created.

I know this is bit of a thread derail, but I've been wondering this for a while...

Maybe I'm naive of how the magazine business works, but I would think you are sitting on a potential gold mine here owning the copyright to BBW Magazine? I imagine you have decent advertisement revenue income from BBW Magazine Online in it's current form and all, but why haven't you promoted BBW Magazine more, or reworked some of the fabulous material that was in the original magazine? You have instant name recognition with BBW Magazine, I do believe it was an internationally known magazine back when it first came out... certainly nationally known here in the United States. The porn industry may be appropriating the term or "category" of BBW, but you could probably assert your copyrights over other magazines that specifically use the term BBW in their name. I know this is easier said than done, and legal action is always expensive, and doesn't necessarily bring a worthwhile result. But seriously, there are so many people here on Dims and elsewhere that would more than likely be eager to contribute to a renewed version of BBW Magazine, who are creative and motivated to do so. You don't need PDFs of old material Conrad... create new material, or have a group of volunteers create new material. BBW Magazine could be a center piece in promoting pride for being a large sized woman and promoting a positive image for those who appreciate large sized people as it once was. (Or see if you can get volunteers to scan old copies of BBW Mag and offer them as free downloads for iPads / computers just to see how much potential interest there might be...? You might be able to get some free press coverage doing such a thing...? ) I know that BBW Magazine Online is technically a continuation of the printed BBW Magazine, but it's been forgotten, at least it's not as well known as it was, certainly by the young generation. BBW Magazine would be a lot easier to go mainstream than a renewed Dimensions Magazine, thus having a potentially greater audience. I may be blowing sunshine here, but I personally think that BBW Magazine has a hell of a lot more potential than what is presently being done, potential not only for influencing society and promoting pride, but also financial success for you and BBW Magazine (whether it be in print or electronic... perhaps one of the first electronic mags for the iPad sold through Apple...?) I know I can be your worse critic at times Conrad, but I just think there is so much potential here for you and many others. I'm curious as to your take on this...
 

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BBW is okay with me and is becoming far more common, ie: a lot less requests for a definition. Plus a lot of people I speak with are relieved there is an actual lingo especially for textspeak, social networking and emails. My Indian-born internist was delighted with the term and jotted it down in her notebook of American-isms.

Most of the other descriptives are harmless to me although I think 'fluffy' is too cutesy and dances on the edge of nauseating.

For me a lot of it is more about the sentiment behind the word and the class or charm of the person using it.
 

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I like the word 'voluptuous' or 'thick mamasota'. It just sounds juicy.
 

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The term BBW is what it is. I like it!

I would never tell a woman (or suggest to her) that the only reason or the main reason I was attracted to her was her size. I would hope to be attracted to the whole package, just like I would not want someone to be attracted to me only or mainly because I am a black man.



 

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It's not what you call, it's what you answer to that makes all the difference.
 

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These are good contemplations, Stan, and I can tell you what my take on it is. What you describe is exactly why I did not let BBW die back in 1998. I saw all of its potential and I could not stand the thought that it would be permanently gone. I felt it was a great opportunity to spread the word of size acceptance to all those millions of plus-sized women who were not reached by NAAFA and traditional size acceptance groups.

So we published BBW for four more years. I bought it very much against the objections of my accountant who pointed out that BBW had never made a profit, and that it most likely never would because advertisers simply do not support plus-size in any meaningful way. I took it on anyway, and Sally and her crew created four years' worth of truly excellent magazines. But advertising revenue was almost non-existent and BBW was essentially subsidized by my tech publications and me personally. In its current form, BBW essentially is a compilation of old but timeless content. Whatever ad revenue it generates is negligible and pays some of the interest in lingering debts. It wouldn't be enough to pay a fraction of today's health insurance for one single person, let alone compensation.

I know how to do magazines, but doing print magazines is no longer a feasible thing to do. Yes, there seem as many print mags on the newsstands as ever, and I have no clue how they do it as print ad revenue is essentially gone. Magazines, even old and traditional ones, are closing every week. They simply go away, even when they have a credible web presence. No one picks them up, even for free. Media has simply changed forever.

I got out of the print business in 2005 when ever dwindling ad revenue simply made the $60,000 print bills for each issue of a tech mag (we usually printed about 100,000 copies), plus the cost of mailing and distribution, plus then simply throwing away the copies that did not sell on newsstands made print unfeasible (and, given the giant waste, really unconscionable). There's still print, but look at all the newspapers closing and the general uncertainty as to where media is headed.

Yes, a new BBW would probably get media coverage, some old content never goes out of style, new content can be created, and there'd be distribution channels via the current odd mix of online venues ranging from slick web presences to all those dozens of intermixed social media, etc. Yet, quality content is never cheap, and creating something, anything, is time-consuming.

The question then becomes what sets media as we knew it apart from the myriads of blogs and FB pages and clubs. Does it actually still make sense to create a branded media project? Part of the allure of magazines used to be that they were all glitzy and elegant and professionally done, showing a perfect world in perfect pictures and prose. That does not come cheap. Today, you can get all the words and all the pics and all the advice and whatever else you want online, in one way or another.

Problem is, no one knows anymore what we want and need. Print is still around. I subscribe to perhaps a dozen magazines, but they get thinner and thinner, and there are fewer and fewer ads to support them (as evidenced by the fact that by now even serious publications accept ever more dubious ads). All have an online presence that probably costs them plenty, but I hardly ever go to their websites and I don't think any magazine websites are a big success.

So perhaps it's all a part of the ongoing democratization of information dissemination process that we've been seeing over the past decade. Information dissemination has ceased to be a costly exclusive, hence the price of information has crashed so much that it's hardly feasible anymore to do it for a living. There will undoubtedly emerge new ways to somehow make media feasible, but there isn't one now (when I look at some tech webpages, they are now 5% information and 95% ads, where-to-buy, commercial links, social media links, comments, more ads and then a few more ads). What's left are niche markets where old-media expertise remains marginally useful, and that's about it.

Could a BBW project as you describe it be created? As it once was, no, or at least not as anything but a subsidized vanity project (like the new Newsweek is for Bloomberg). As a volunteer project, conceivably, with extraordinary coordination effort and immense drive and political skills.

So that's how I see it now.





I know this is bit of a thread derail, but I've been wondering this for a while...

Maybe I'm naive of how the magazine business works, but I would think you are sitting on a potential gold mine here owning the copyright to BBW Magazine? I imagine you have decent advertisement revenue income from BBW Magazine Online in it's current form and all, but why haven't you promoted BBW Magazine more, or reworked some of the fabulous material that was in the original magazine? You have instant name recognition with BBW Magazine, I do believe it was an internationally known magazine back when it first came out... certainly nationally known here in the United States. The porn industry may be appropriating the term or "category" of BBW, but you could probably assert your copyrights over other magazines that specifically use the term BBW in their name. I know this is easier said than done, and legal action is always expensive, and doesn't necessarily bring a worthwhile result. But seriously, there are so many people here on Dims and elsewhere that would more than likely be eager to contribute to a renewed version of BBW Magazine, who are creative and motivated to do so. You don't need PDFs of old material Conrad... create new material, or have a group of volunteers create new material. BBW Magazine could be a center piece in promoting pride for being a large sized woman and promoting a positive image for those who appreciate large sized people as it once was. (Or see if you can get volunteers to scan old copies of BBW Mag and offer them as free downloads for iPads / computers just to see how much potential interest there might be...? You might be able to get some free press coverage doing such a thing...? ) I know that BBW Magazine Online is technically a continuation of the printed BBW Magazine, but it's been forgotten, at least it's not as well known as it was, certainly by the young generation. BBW Magazine would be a lot easier to go mainstream than a renewed Dimensions Magazine, thus having a potentially greater audience. I may be blowing sunshine here, but I personally think that BBW Magazine has a hell of a lot more potential than what is presently being done, potential not only for influencing society and promoting pride, but also financial success for you and BBW Magazine (whether it be in print or electronic... perhaps one of the first electronic mags for the iPad sold through Apple...?) I know I can be your worse critic at times Conrad, but I just think there is so much potential here for you and many others. I'm curious as to your take on this...
 

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when asked tend to say holdsome women - this usually has the response don't you mean wholesome - reply - no I like women that have plenty to get hold of :D.
 

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i honestly don't think it's fair to say it's a 'shallow quality' or that liking somebody's size or shape is shallow. It is part of who we are. As posted above, no FA likes every fat woman or man, but it is probably going to be the first or one of the first things somebody notices.
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Beauty is only skin deep... in every physical variety.

if someone said "like you because you are skinny/fat/have huge boobs/are a blonde/black/other purely physical trait" I would think they were weird and shallow or one handed typing(lol).
He didn't ask if it was okay to mention he liked her size,he asked if it was okay to say he was attracted to her BECAUSE of her size.
That's why I gave the two options of my opinion.

I know it took me a long time to realize that FAs can be and are often times just as shallow as men who like supermodels.It's just a different slant on what they desire.

Not saying the OP is shallow,I see he followed up and said he wasn't just looking a fat girls shell...that's awesome.

True
 

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I like the term BBW, but then again I can't remember a time when those three words didn't describe me.
 

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In the past year I have been very open about my preference for BBW's. Friends, family, and skinny suitors are all aware of what has become an exclusive preference. Its what I am, its what I like and I am happy with it. As I am just now having the pleasure of dating BBW's, I have much to learn. My first question is what do prefer to be called? I know labeling someone isn't necessarily the most positive thing, however, I find it difficult to avoid this when size is what I am attracted to. A follow up question would be: is it alright to tell a girl I am attracted to her because of her size?

Thanks.

patmcf, please marry me!!! :bow:

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I prefer to be referred to by my name Terri. If it comes up and you have to describe my size I prefer to be described as plus-sized. (or super plus-sized if that tickles your fancy). I'm not thrilled about the term BBW cos not all women fit that term. I use ssbbw as a descriptor of my size in this forum and at dances or when I am talking to people who might know the term--but I rarely use it in everyday language with people who wouldn't have a clue of what it means.
As we've seen from this thread, "BBW" can encompass many different meanings, but if you say to someone "My girlfriend/boyfriend is plus-sized" they seem better to have an understanding that you aren't going to be bringing an average sized person to the party. ;)
 

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