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Carrie

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Cyn, your response was outstanding. Intelligent, articulate, and you made your points while keeping a level head. I skimmed his article, felt myself getting furious, and decided to save reading it in detail for later.

But thank you for writing such an excellent response.
 

Jay West Coast

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That was very well-written, and quite an eloquent response. I really hope that it elicits the response that it deserves.

Thanks!

Jay West Coast
 

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I read through both articles and as I was reading his...I thought...what??? When I go on vacation all I see are girls in teeny, weeny bathing suits. Perhaps what he's doing, is the same thing I do....look for what is not your NORM. I find it very difficult to believe that 85% of the people who vacationed during the same time as he did were obese.

As for your response....FANTASTIC! You know I never thought about the "yo, yo" effect on my health as a young child with my mom's effort to not let me get "fat"...I look at the pictures and I too see someone who was HOT or just a child. But looking back; I see the devastation it caused by depravation...making me of course want what I couldn't have..ultimately setting me up for disaster.

Okay...too long of post here....but really fantastic...thank you so much for sharing!
 

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Man, that was one ugly article the guy wrote.... but the absolutely spot-on reply Cyn sent to him more than made up for reading it! Terrific job, Cyn; does anyone happen to know Marilyn Wann's phone number, lol??
 

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Reply:

"Just a tip: You are confusing fatness with unfitness and unattractiveness.

"This is causing you to disseminate fatphobic propaganda for which there is no call.

"A lot of people who have read your article are very angry at you. (I am referring to the "Dimensions Forums", which promote size acceptance. They can be found at http://dimensionsmagazine.com/forums .)

"Rather than go into specifics about fatness not equalling unfitness, or going into a rant like (undoubtedly) others have already done, I will simply point out that I do not live in San Francisco, but I thought (because of the homosexuality that flourished there for decades, among other things) that it was a beacon of tolerance.

"As for unattractiveness, it's your call, but I think there are enough thin-lovers in the propagandistic media. We need a few FAs (fat admirers) to stir things up!"
 

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How negative and fat-bashing can you get? Thanks for responding to him like you did, Cyn, and sharing it with us.
 

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Welcome back, Cyn, your thoughts are usually original and well thought out. Your contributions have always been appreciated by most of the Dimmies. Nice glam shot, by the way.
 

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Maybe not quite so level-headed, but here goes.

To the Morford in question:

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Subject: Predicting the Divide Which Has Been Here for A Century

I don't read the Chron much. I grab a Guardian when I can.

But hmmm....

A "voracious hunger for something we've lost"? A "spiritual vacuity"?
That's rather ironic, since a lot of the people you're panning
probably get all their political content from their churches.

Of course, it must present quite a quandary to someone who presumably
stands on the side of evolution, just how a trait you see as so
disadvantageous is replicating so efficiently in the population.

And I think you are exhibiting quite a blind provincialism. Oh no,
not us, no fat people here in San Francisco. No Marilyn Wann, no Judy
Freespirit, no Joanne Ikeda, no Pat Lyons and Great Shapes, no Big
Moves, no Big Burlesque (mentioned by the Guardian as "Best Way to
Get a Lap Dance from a Fat Girl"). Gee, I oughtta bring my bride to
be in to the farmers' market or Whole Foods over there so you can see
a fat organic customer for the first time. We do it often enough at
the branch over yonder in her home town, that great pesticide-logged
belly button of the state known as Fresno. For that matter, even
before meeting my fiancee, I had dates with other plus-size gals at
the Ferry Building Farmer's Market. Sorry you weren't there to see it.

We keep telling Americans it's a good thing to get out of their
normal environs and experience other parts of the world. When they
actually take that advice, what do you do? Why, make them feel rotten
for being the size they are. How original. Why, we've only heard all
this from one of the most vicious capitalist blocs in this country
for almost a century. Oh how terrible that they were there to ruin
your own bourgeouis exploitative traipse; they should all be
sequestered at home where they'll get even heavier and far more
tragically, weak and immobilized and isolated. But what does that
matter if you don't have to see them.

But see them you do, and will, yes, even in our own progressive
enclaves, some doing some very progressive work themselves in fact,
forging their own solutions to their health after a century of
nothing from the great majority of us skinnies but emotional violence
as systematic as anything out of MK Ultra. Perhaps you'd like to
engage with these people who seek a third way, other than being a
slave either to vapid fast food culture or the "be thin or die" jihad.

Myself, I've been one of the thinnest people I know all my life. And
all my life, I've heard that fat people are to be either shunned or
mocked or spotlighted while contending with architectural, social,
sexual, and economic discrimination. I'm happy to say I bought that
for only a few years as a child. Here we are, the paragon of
pacifism, and the moment obesity crosses our lips, we start talking
like General Angus Maude, ready to fight a war of liberation for
those poor fat people. Haven't we seen enough of what wars of
liberation bring?
 

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Well done for stating the facts so politley and concisely in your reply. Your last sentance, referring to the coroners report brought a tear to my eye, it was a great way to get your point across. x
 

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ripley said:
elfcat...I think I love you :wubu:[/quote

Awww, that's so sweet!

I didn't mention, as I suppose I could, that at various protests, rallies, film showings, and what have you, I've taken up the issue of fat-acceptance with other activists, and found quite a lot of support for it among anarchists and hard left partisans. I get a lot of e-mails these days from a woman named Trac, whom I met at a showing of a DVD set by Bob Avakian, chair of the Revolutionary Communist Party. She herself is a slender lady, and an enthusiastic firebrand about many things. I talked with her after the film showing, and she told me she has nothing but admiration for the efforts of those who seek the less popular, less spoon-fed methods of self-empowerment.

If I ever get to see Avakian in person and ask him how he feels the fat question interacts in the greater dialectic, I'll let you all know. I can say that he mentioned size discrimination in one way in the DVD set I bought. That is, he noted that black mothers often worry when they bear large sons, fearing that their size will make them look more threatening and invite overwrought and possibly lethal reactions from police.
 

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Cyn, Elfcat...as they say in my neck of the woods, "You done good."

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all the article did for me was make me want to move to the midwest (where all those overweight people reside, according to the article).

Where in the heck did he get the idea that he could (acting on behalf of the masses) put his moral judgement on the rest of us? To insinuate that overweight people are missing, and therefore trying to find, something in their lives is just silly. It's the same as inferring that all fat people are lazy and have no self esteem (because otherwise they'd be thin, right???).

I felt like yelling, ya got it all wrong bro! And actually sent him a little note saying as much - unfortunately I didn't have the prescience to save it so I could post it here. In any event, I'm hoping that perhaps he will realize that for many being thin is not an option, and for many more, while an option, it's just not high on their list of priorities.

Me, I just don't want to be thin right now (as I ponder my swelling budha like belly) I'm fit, have no problems getting around and doing whatever I desire, but simply like to see myself with this protruding gut - something that the image conscious wil surely not understand.

To each their own - something that the writer of the article seems to have forgotten.
 

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Thank you Cyn for the excellent letter. You inspired me to have a year of letter writing.

By the way, shouldn't reporters look up the real meaning of "epidemic"

Spreading rapidly and extensively by infection and affecting many individuals in an area or a population at the same time: an epidemic outbreak of influenza.
Widely prevalent: epidemic discontent.
 

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IMO, overweight/obesity DOES fit the "widely prevalent" version of the definition of the word "epidemic," so I wouldn't fault Morford for using that term on the basis of its being inappropriate.

One problem is that the word "epidemic" has a very negative connotation. There will never be, for example, a bunch of Wailing Cassandras in the media wringing their collective hands over "epidemcs" of loving marriages between emotionally-mature people, legitimate childbirths to adult women, or "widespread outbreaks of kindheartedness and generosity."
 

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Hi folks. Would someone please send me a direct link to the article? My computer freezes everytime I try and access Cyn's page. There seems to be a file on it that my computer is just being pissy about. :)

Thanx!

Les
 

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