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JimBob

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This is the kind of story that let's me understand why many BBWs hate FAs so much.

Who wants to be depicted as a pig or cow by someone who obviously flunked English essay class way back in junior high?

And it makes me wonder about what motivates FAs: Can you only get your kicks out of degrading women?
Yeah...speaking as a male reader, and one who's gotten used to the comparatively high quality of stories appearing in "Recent Additions" - especially the big influx of female writers writing about BHMs! - I have to say I find this, here, incredibly off-putting. If not downright creepy.

Whoever penned this mess obviously has no idea how to empathise with the characters with whom he doesn't immediately identify.
 

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Nice go JIMBOB. What have you written lately, and how about considering that you could have stopped reading whenever you wanted to. Maybe there should be an entire thread for people of your sensibilities and you all can share amongst yourselves. It is downright creepy to me to think about you rolling up on someones' creative work, and laying down your idea of the law. Just skip it after a few paragraphs....Move on. BY THE WAY JIMBOB....EMPATHIZE.....NOT EMPATHISE!
 

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No need to get personal over diverging reading tastes.

Nonetheless, we have discussed this story on the Library moderator team because we too have some doubts which we also have communicated to the author.

1) This is a library for amateur writers. Nevertheless it is a library - which means there is a certain standard - like what might have some chance of actually being published somewhere else, at least at the level of a college newspaper. Not everything that is written can honestly receive the label 'creative work'.

Regarding language, wording, style and grammar it is highly debatable whether this standard is met (ask any English teacher).

2) On the sensuality and abusive portrayal of protagonists side it contains a number of borderline elements.

That said - we are aware, as responses here show, that there is an audience for this type of BBW fiction.

And a library should keep its readers in mind which can mean offering material that - to be honest - is difficult for the majority of women to even read.

This is a case where we are wobbling on the edge between maintaining a necessary standard to call this a library and a certain reader audience - and the line is very near.
 

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My displeasure was not aimed at JIMBOB's reading taste, but at he/she's need to attack a long, multi-part story that they could have stopped reading anytime! The story took time and effort by the writer, and JIMBOB's fine taste and need for extensively edited material in spite of their inability to spell is laughable. Your own critical remarks are also a bit over the top in my opinion, considering that you are the librarian and know that in the extensive Dimensions Library, there is plenty of material of a FAR more questionable nature, depending on each readers own personal perspective! If you start editing that out, you may soon have a much easier job to do, and not have to worry about guest writers posting at all.
 

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A) This story is pretty much nigh-on abusive to an incredibly creepy degree, and the arguments of "you don't have to read it" and "there's worse stuff" are both terrible. Besides, 'long'? 'Multi-part'? This would take 15 minutes to read even if I didn't skim over it. Even the title and its capital letter in the middle is sloppy and rushed.

B) If the work had any value, you'd be able to defend it on its merits, rather than with unfocused anger.

C) You...do realise other people may come from other countries than you, right? You're not pushing the idea that the USA's dialect of English is the 'one, true language'? We're on the internet, bub. There are no constraints on how I choose to spell empathise.
 

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Sorry JimBob, have to disagree. If you are the current librarian your opinion should be hands off unless it falls under the category of underage, incest and the like. Other than that the library is full of stories concerning absurd weight gain, male to female (which I don't read) and all kinds of force feeding fetishes which I don't enjoy either. I like stories where the woman enjoys becoming larger. That is why there is a short content description after each title. To each his / her own and again if it's not to your taste, don't read it (I know being the moderator /librarian you have to read it to filter out those that fall under those that promote illegal and truly offensive acts) There are people that enjoy being called names and humiliated and those that like to call others names (not me) but the end content of this story is that the couple is enjoying their freedom and that is what I read it for.
 

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if it's not to your taste, don't read it
Not an argument.

When someone orders a meal and finds the restaurant have spilled engine oil over it, the chef's defence is not going to be "If it's not to your taste, you shouldn't eat it."
 

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In this case - I am the 'librarian' and R.F. Burton's comment was directed to my post.

Critical posts as to content and style of stories are absolutely okay - as long as they remain civil and do not focus on personal attacks against the author.
JimBob did not violate any of these unspoken rules - so his post as an expression of his opinion is absolutely in line.

Personal back&forth devaluating of opinions is not okay though - there's enough of that on other boards, we don't need that here.

In my post I tried to illustrate the challenges the library moderator team faces in trying to balance reader and author interests with maintaining a certain level of quality as well as keeping legal boundaries in mind.

I addressed these issues in reference to this story because of this discussion here. Beforehand we had already discussed this within the library moderator team as well as brought our doubts to the attention of the author via PM - otherwise I would not have aired them openly on the boards.

The quality & allowed content discussion has been going on in the library forever. Different teams of moderators have handled it differently, putting emphasis on varying aspects of rules and writing guidelines.

For instance we want to try and get more completed stories, not only an endless array of fragments (is more rewarding and easier to use for readers). So we have been moderating newly posted text snippets - or like the first chapter of the 8th story by the same author, of which none was ever even continued to chapter 2.

So this is no stringent common law affair here, precedent of a certain type of or an amount of language issues in other stories alone is no valid argument.

It's a constant balancing of interests of readers, sensitivities of others, and maintaining a certain quality of writing so these boards deserve the name library.
 

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All in all Agouderia, I would like to thank you for helping to bring these stories to Dimensions and, your second post is inarguable. It is important to keep a degree of quality within the stories posted and as librarian here, that is your what you do. My point to Jimbob was...."If you don't have something nice to say (or at least constructive) don't say anything." People are writing and sharing these stories free of charge and many of us appreciate that immensely, and accept the "less than to our taste" stories we have found here, without attacking the author or those others that enjoy them. Oh, and Jimbob......I EMPATHISE with your spelling dilemma, and no....I am not in Middle School you disrespectful fellow.
 

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If you go to a restaurant and don't like what's on the menu, you don't order in the first place.
 

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A) This story is pretty much nigh-on abusive to an incredibly creepy degree Apologies if you feel this way, this was obviously not intended. It is a story about the food in a hotel that causes growth in female guests and the love of being fat. The husband is supporting of the change in his wife and becomes his feeder, which she consents to. Granted, there are sexual scenes which I have been advised to tone down, but I am an adult and I can only assume the readers of this board are too. However, maybe I should have written 18+ in the description, and the arguments of "you don't have to read it" and "there's worse stuff" are both terrible. Besides, 'long'? 'Multi-part'? This would take 15 minutes to read even if I didn't skim over it. Again, my apologies. I never intended this to be of novel length, but if that is the length of story to adhere to, I can't achieve that. It was always intended to be easy to read. Even the title and its capital letter in the middle is sloppy and rushed.That was intended. I imagine the hotel sign to look that way. If it were a graphic novel, the sign would look foreboding atop the boutique hotel that it is meant to be.

B) If the work had any value, you'd be able to defend it on its merits, rather than with unfocused anger.

C) You...do realise other people may come from other countries than you, right? You're not pushing the idea that the USA's dialect of English is the 'one, true language'? We're on the internet, bub. There are no constraints on how I choose to spell empathise.
Thank you for taking the time to give feedback JimBob. Although I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and will be sure to take note of other more popular stories before I write again.

Also, I'm very curious about criticism with the grammar within my story. I wrote it in Word and spell and grammar checks say it is okay.
 

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Also, I'm very curious about criticism with the grammar within my story. I wrote it in Word and spell and grammar checks say it is okay.


Kid - thank you for your very open and fair response regarding this outburst of criticism you have to face with your story.

That is highly professional and we appreciate it sincerely.

Regarding the language question- I PMed you about that as this doesn't necessarily need to be discussed here.
 

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Would be awesome to see a new installment when the writer has the time. One of the best stories in the past couple years.
 

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This is one of the better stories on the forum. The idea that you guys are trying to appeal to some higher notion of literature is laughable at best.

I honestly find the brand of 'high literature' mentioned that you are trying to encourage dry, dull and riddled with purple prose. CraVe is vivid in imagery, simple in language and easy to read. The beats are strong. The dialogue hits REALLY hard. It's a plotline we've all probably read a thousand times before but uses strong language and feeling to effectively bring the concept to life. Bad writing elicits no reaction or get skipped.

I doubt we'd be getting the same cry of "It's Degrading to Women" if it was a terrible "She ate lots food, got fat" type of writing that's so prevalent here. There's art in doing these kinds of stories well. It stems from desire and emotion. Is it politically correct? No, that's not the point. But I'd say it's a pretty strong indications of the authors wants and needs, and art is expression. I don't think it's right to reject it because it doesn't fit with some kind of social justice ethical standard you choose to frame the world with. Not everything needs to be in service to the cause. Sometimes stuff can just be fun.

There's plenty of erotica here that's degrading to women, particularly in the original Dimensions library. It's erotica. Many women enjoy the idea of being degraded. You can find evidence of this from Harlequin romance novels to 50 Shades to mainstream pornography.

I think a place like Dimensions that stands well outside the normative standards of beauty and sex is the last place we should be kink shaming.

Stories like this made the BBW community, and this community. Censor them and you'll probably lose most of your followers.
 

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As a past moderator I'm familiar with the arguments now being put forth here - they're at the root of why we created different archival categories of stories.

As quirky as it may seem there are those who indeed were trying to develop weight related fiction as literature. Writers such as Swordfish, Id and myself who came over from Gaining Tales in the old AOL Hometown wanted realistic tales to which both BBWS and their FA admirers could relate. But we also soon realized that there were those with preferences that can obnly be described as fantasies in real life. Rather than censor we separated, and for many years this worked.

It should be noted that we did not, and this is true of current editors as well, allow just anything. Vore, for instance, is precluded; so is excessive protagonist abuse. Its not an easy job, being an editor, and everyone who takes on the job will be second guessed.
 

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And of course, considering some of the other stories that slip through the fingers of the various Dims editors over the years, this story has been unfairly singled out and compromised because of ?? I am still wondering. No apology from the original malcontent who could have simply stopped reading, none from the editor, who weighed in on the issue only enough to add fuel to the fire, and a story that joins so many others in the "Ain't finished" category!
 
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