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" it's also disturbing the way that people underplay the effect a lot of weight can have on a person's lifestyle. "

I've experienced this on a personal level. It's not even so much fear of embarassment, or fear of ridicule. It's dealing with the hassle factor of trying to navigate the world in a fat body with mobility limitations.

When I was larger, and wasn't able to go much of anywhere without a wheelchair, it was SO fucking stressful and mentally exhausting trying to manage a successful outing that more often than not I ended up staying home. First of all, not every place I wanted to go was accessible, or realistically accessible (cobblestones, uneven pavement, and bare ground were out of the question). And then of those places that were accessible, there was the issue of an extra-wide bariatric wheelchair not fitting through doors, down aisles, etc... Also, there was the issue of transporting the wheelchair and getting it in and out of the vehicle. My husband could manage it, as could my dad when he was alive. But for a day out with a girl-friend or my mother in law? Wasn't happening.

But what about a motorized chair/scooter and vehicle lift you might ask? Well, you don't just get one handed to you, and the chair/lift combined can cost as much as a used car. We earned too much to qualify for medical assistance benefits, and we didn't earn enough to be able to self-pay. The only medical insurance I could get at the time would not cover it. So I had to buy a used manual wheelchair and make the best of it.

I was able to get out and enjoy life via local outings and daytrips fairly regularly. And I was able to make driving distance overnight travel work for me a couple of times. But the limitations far outweighed being able to reasonably accomdate myself.

Even now that I am smaller and more mobile, I still have limitations and my ability to get out and do what I want is still hampered. Now, instead of the main worry being whether or not my wheelchair will fit somewhere, I have to worry about whether there is a place I can sit and rest when my back hurts too much to keep going. It's tedious. I not only have to do research before going somewhere to make sure there are plenty of benches or other places to sit, but I have to budget for all the time wasted sitting and waiting for my back spasms to stop.

Pain makes it all the harder. The back pain is caused by being on foot, and so far I have not found any way to make it better aside from losing weight. The smaller I get, the more time I can spend on foot before the pain starts. I've tried various medications, including some hardcore meds through pain management, accupressure, accupuncture, massage, chiropractic therapy, physical therapy stretches, building up core muscles, ultrasound therapy, yoga, infrared heat therapy, hydrotherapy, support garments of various types, special anti-inflammatory supplements and diets, along with a handful of more desperate out-there new age and fringe therapies. Many of them make the pain better for a little bit, but it always comes back and always limits me. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars and countless hours with various specialists and therapists looking for an answer. But weight loss is and has been the only real and effective method of lessening the pain and improving my mobility.

I'd love to travel more extensively, but realistically I'll have to lose quite a bit more weight before the hassle no longer outweighs the enjoyment. I won't lie, if I had the money, I'd very seriously look into rolling the WLS dice for a chance at getting smaller faster, and being able to do more of the things I want to do sooner. Time is passing, my time left on this Earth is getting shorter, and some days I really feel the desperation.

Tracy
Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. I'm glad your life is improving and I hope it continues to do so. I think your honesty will be a cautionary tale for some... hopefully.
 

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These discussions have nothing to do with my livelihood, and jumping boards? I've been a member of this community for over twelve years, and I was a contributor here well before I ever modeled.

More importantly, though, I am a supersize woman, and here are a bunch of not-500 and not-600 pound people telling me that I can't possibly be happy or healthy. Because clearly you live in my body and attend my doctors' appointments with me.

You are absolutely entitled to an opinion, but when you start voicing it, I, as a member of the population you're commenting on, am entitled to tell you to mind your own damn business.
This discussion isn't about you. This discussion is about health, obesity, a TV program and a paysite model named Zsalynn. Zsalynn is 600 lbs. and says she is unhappy with her size. This is about how some of us relate to the subject. If you don't or can't relate to the subject, then this discussion is not for you.

"Protected" boards are the double standard not jumping boards. You can have any opinion you want and express it freely. (as long as it adheres to the posting rules of Dimensions, of course) You can say how you vehemently disagree with my opinion, but telling me to "mind my own business" is saying that I am not allowed to voice my opinion. That is another example of a double standard.
 

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And Zsalynn is someone who has ping-ponged between apparent-happy-fatty and miserable-woe-is-me fatty, even after having WLS done once and after that claimed she gained again because she preferred being fatter, and went right back to the happy-fatty paysite shit again.

I want her to be happy but I don't want her shitting on "the community" over shit she had full control over. What's true for her isn't true for everyone else.
 

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And Zsalynn is someone who has ping-ponged between apparent-happy-fatty and miserable-woe-is-me fatty, even after having WLS done once and after that claimed she gained again because she preferred being fatter, and went right back to the happy-fatty paysite shit again.

I want her to be happy but I don't want her shitting on "the community" over shit she had full control over. What's true for her isn't true for everyone else.
so, what exactly is it that is she doing to you personally ? a lot of the community really isn't bothered by her in the least because she has absolutely nothing to do with who we are as individuals. so all over the community is going a bit far don't you think?

thank you so much for the illustration. this is a prime example of what a lot of us have been talking about. people acting like it's all good when they are encouraging people to get to that weight but suddenly if it's too much for somebody it's just all their fault alone. they suddenly are supposed to be in control after also being told that dieting does not work and even that their WLS will ultimately fail or has done so already and will again. which is it? no wonder people here are so confused -- too many contradictions.
 

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And Zsalynn is someone who has ping-ponged between apparent-happy-fatty and miserable-woe-is-me fatty, even after having WLS done once and after that claimed she gained again because she preferred being fatter, and went right back to the happy-fatty paysite shit again.

I want her to be happy but I don't want her shitting on "the community" over shit she had full control over. What's true for her isn't true for everyone else.
This community can be shady and certainly has issues that need to be addressed, the people here that go LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU NONE YOUR BUSINESS are more harmful than any feeder will ever be.
 

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I have to disagree with you saying this isn't possible. You can brand everybody who thinks differently to you with one umbrella of 'denial' if you like but that doesn't make it true or everybody who disagrees with you wrong. Are there people who can be healthy at that size? Yes. Simple statistics dictates that, the human population follows a bell curve of weights and will follow a bell curve of 'highest healthiest weight' as well. There are therefore going to be increasingly less people who are healthy as you get to the higher weights but there is no such thing as a maximum healthy weight and saying that there is only serves to alienate the larger members of our community. Secondly, as somebody who happens to be an expert on mammal physiology and therefore pretty well versed in human physiology, I see absolutely no reason why at 500lbs or any other arbitrary weight every single human body would be unable to cope. Every person is different and there will be people who are healthy at 600lbs. Just because you don't know any doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means they aren't online in the same places you are or don't feel like posting. Thirdly, I know more than one lady on this forum who weighs more than 500lbs who has a successful career, is perfectly mobile and lives a happy and profitable life that frankly I am more than a little envious of! So making sweeping statements about how nobody can be healthy at higher weights and that everybody who thinks differently is in denial is just unhelpful and untrue. Is every super sized person healthy? No. Can excess weight cause health problems? Yes. But there is no magic number for the whole population to be under or they are 'unhealthy', that is exactly the same concept that the BMI charts use to tell me I can't be healthy if I am above 136lbs.
I’m not saying that there is some magic maximum number that dictates health. I’m not saying that ALL supersized people are unhealthy or unhappy because I know that there are many out there who are or claim to be. Each individual is different and has his or her own unique health situation. But when you are 500, 600, 700 or whatever extreme poundage you happen to be and you have convinced yourself that the non-injury related pain or joint damage you are experiencing in your knees or in your back or your shortness of breath or your unregulated blood glucose levels are unrelated to your extreme weight, it is called “denial”.

Every human body has its limits and although those limits are different from person to person they are limits all the same. In most cases of extreme weight these limits manifest themselves in similar ways across the board. Denying that these limits exist or placing the reason for their existence on something other than the obvious is to deny the reality of how the human body works and reacts to the stress of too much weight. Building a philosophy and concept of heath that flies in the face of conventional modern medical science is foolishness and questioning the basis for it's rationale is IMHO only natural.
 

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Extreme obesity is a health risk. Keyword, risk. You could very well be fine and dandy at 500 pounds, but you are still playing with fire. At any point you can and will be burned. I've recently been blessed with a BBW girlfriend, but if she suddenly developed...diabetes or high blood pressure I would want her to lose weight.

Zsalynn spent a long time playing with fire, enjoying the allure of it, but she finally got burnt.
 

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so, what exactly is it that is she doing to you personally ? a lot of the community really isn't bothered by her in the least because she has absolutely nothing to do with who we are as individuals. so all over the community is going a bit far don't you think?

thank you so much for the illustration. this is a prime example of what a lot of us have been talking about. people acting like it's all good when they are encouraging people to get to that weight but suddenly if it's too much for somebody it's just all their fault alone. they suddenly are supposed to be in control after also being told that dieting does not work and even that their WLS will ultimately fail or has done so already and will again. which is it? no wonder people here are so confused -- too many contradictions.
Yes but that door swings both ways. There are people who come on here basically saying 'yay weight loss for me' who will argue that I should not feel like their enthusiasm for what makes them happy is the equivalent of pushing me into losing weight if I don't want to, triggering though this type of talk can be for some of us. But somehow that same ideal is not so easily applied to those who are perfectly content being supersized and wish to exist in a place where this can be said and affirmed among likeminded individuals without being told they're pushing something on someone else. I'm happy that weight loss is there for those who need it but for me it was a big mistake. From what I gather from Zsa's story there is no smoking gun for either side. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't - choose your casket. It seems clear there is no heroism for favoring one thing over the other beyond which is most socially acceptable.
 

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Yes but that door swings both ways. There are people who come on here basically saying 'yay weight loss for me' who will argue that I should not feel like their enthusiasm for what makes them happy is not the equivalent of pushing me into losing weight if I don't want to, triggering though this type of talk can be for some of us. But somehow that same ideal is not so easily applied to those who are perfectly content being supersized and wish to exist in a place where this can be said and affirmed among likeminded individuals without being told they're pushing something on someone else. I'm happy that weight loss is there for those who need it but for me it was a big mistake. From what I gather from Zsa's story there is no smoking gun for either side. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't - choose your casket. It seems clear there is no heroism for favoring one thing over the other beyond which is most socially acceptable.
i'm going to be blunt. i may be wrong but i personally think the triggering talk online is a most often a cop out so that people have a reason to get their way. WLS is going to be discussed on this thread as evident from the opening post if not the title. so, why click on it if not to control others thoughts or feelings? no reading no triggering. it's simple.

outside of that there are a lot of people who don't feel that everything everyone else feels is a reflection on them personally. some of us know it's not about us. we already know we don't have to chart our lives by the opinions of others but by what we personally feel comfortable with. so if somebody else wants to lose weight it won't kill us or end our fat world.

i have a friend who is a psychologist. i asked her about all of this triggering talk i kept seeing online. you know what she said? "they shouldn't go there". she also said it was also the responsibility of the person who knew they had the trigger to manage it if they were aware of what it was. and often people do use it to guilt people into having their way. sometimes we just can't have everything our way because the world is not mapped out for every disorder we might have. there is a weight board there is a feeder board that is policed for that. but even they discuss diet. so why isn't that a trigger? as far as i was taught triggers were not that focused. maybe discussing weight at all is a bad idea? but best of all why not go to the feeder forum or weight board and start a thread and have it go exactly by the rules there since that might be less problematic?

regarding the rest, the damned if you do or don't thing is only true for a defeatist.
 

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i have a friend who is a psychologist. i asked her about all of this triggering talk i kept seeing online. you know what she said? "they shouldn't go there". she also said it was also the responsibility of the person who knew they had the trigger to manage it if they were aware of what it was. and often people do use it to guilt people into having their way. sometimes we just can't have everything our way because the world is not mapped out for every disorder we might have. there is a weight board there is a feeder board that is policed for that. but even they discuss diet. so why isn't that a trigger? as far as i was taught triggers were not that focused. maybe discussing weight at all is a bad idea? but best of all why not go to the feeder forum or weight board and start a thread and have it go exactly by the rules there since that might be less problematic?
If your psychologist friend understands triggers so poorly I really hope that she doesn't have anyone she's treating because she's pretty clearly not willing to help people who suffer from issues where they are triggered by stuff- as would be evidenced by the fact that she thinks that they are a method for people to manipulate others into "getting their way".

I mean I suppose that's true if "getting one's way" means not having a fucking panic attack or psychological episode because of triggering behavior.
 

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" There are people who come on here basically saying 'yay weight loss for me' who will argue that I should not feel like their enthusiasm for what makes them happy is the equivalent of pushing me into losing weight if I don't want to, triggering though this type of talk can be for some of us. "

But isn't it also true that all the "yay weight gain for me" and talk of facestuffing is equally triggering for people who suffer from food addictions and binge eating disorders? The pressure goes both ways, the question is which fat people who might be triggered are on the ins or on the outs.

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If your psychologist friend understands triggers so poorly I really hope that she doesn't have anyone she's treating because she's pretty clearly not willing to help people who suffer from issues where they are triggered by stuff- as would be evidenced by the fact that she thinks that they are a method for people to manipulate others into "getting their way".

I mean I suppose that's true if "getting one's way" means not having a fucking panic attack or psychological episode because of triggering behavior.
i'd expect that she knows a whole lot as a practicing psychologist. she didn't say that people with triggers were manipulative. she said that people online often use the term to be manipulative because a lot of them don't even have one since if they are diagnosed and are actively being treated they're often told not to play around online regarding subjects they already know they are sensitive to. so if they have a trigger about dieting they definitely should not be talking about weight online at all because even non dieting talk could trigger them.
 

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i'm going to be blunt. i may be wrong but i personally think the triggering talk online is a most often a cop out so that people have a reason to get their way. WLS is going to be discussed on this thread as evident from the opening post if not the title. so, why click on it if not to control others thoughts or feelings? no reading no triggering. it's simple.

outside of that there are a lot of people who don't feel that everything everyone else feels is a reflection on them personally. some of us know it's not about us. we already know we don't have to chart our lives by the opinions of others but by what we personally feel comfortable with. so if somebody else wants to lose weight it won't kill us or end our fat world.

i have a friend who is a psychologist. i asked her about all of this triggering talk i kept seeing online. you know what she said? "they shouldn't go there". she also said it was also the responsibility of the person who knew they had the trigger to manage it if they were aware of what it was. and often people do use it to guilt people into having their way. sometimes we just can't have everything our way because the world is not mapped out for every disorder we might have. there is a weight board there is a feeder board that is policed for that. but even they discuss diet. so why isn't that a trigger? as far as i was taught triggers were not that focused. maybe discussing weight at all is a bad idea? but best of all why not go to the feeder forum or weight board and start a thread and have it go exactly by the rules there since that might be less problematic?

regarding the rest, the damned if you do or don't thing is only true for a defeatist.
I don't know what you are talking about. I can't form a response to this because it's not the conversation I was having. I was referring to the bolded that you stated below.

so, what exactly is it that is she doing to you personally ? a lot of the community really isn't bothered by her in the least because she has absolutely nothing to do with who we are as individuals. so all over the community is going a bit far don't you think?

thank you so much for the illustration. this is a prime example of what a lot of us have been talking about. people acting like it's all good when they are encouraging people to get to that weight but suddenly if it's too much for somebody it's just all their fault alone. they suddenly are supposed to be in control after also being told that dieting does not work and even that their WLS will ultimately fail or has done so already and will again. which is it? no wonder people here are so confused -- too many contradictions.
I was encouraged enthusiastically to engage in weight loss. I was given affirming praise for my progress but it was all my fault when my joints erroded and the fluid built up in my spinal column and cranium. Are the people who were in my weight loss group who gave me advice on how they broke through the plateu phase just as guilty as the people who hee haw about weight gain?
 

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" There are people who come on here basically saying 'yay weight loss for me' who will argue that I should not feel like their enthusiasm for what makes them happy is the equivalent of pushing me into losing weight if I don't want to, triggering though this type of talk can be for some of us. "

But isn't it also true that all the "yay weight gain for me" and talk of facestuffing is equally triggering for people who suffer from food addictions and binge eating disorders? The pressure goes both ways, the question is which fat people who might be triggered are on the ins or on the outs.

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indeed, but somehow that's okay and people should just avoid that too right? ;)
we've all been here a long time. we know the drill.
 

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" There are people who come on here basically saying 'yay weight loss for me' who will argue that I should not feel like their enthusiasm for what makes them happy is the equivalent of pushing me into losing weight if I don't want to, triggering though this type of talk can be for some of us. "

But isn't it also true that all the "yay weight gain for me" and talk of facestuffing is equally triggering for people who suffer from food addictions and binge eating disorders? The pressure goes both ways, the question is which fat people who might be triggered are on the ins or on the outs.

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Yes, it can be. On that I agree and it was part of the point I was making. Don't get the impression that I'm trying to say anything bad about people who choose or believe in weight loss. Ater getting sick it took me a while to not be angry at the world for making me feel like it should be weight loss at all costs. I had a terrible disorder and for the rest of my life wieight loss talk will be triggering. I have to draw the line at hate and I'm wondering if the hate towards all the weight gain enthusiasm can use a dose of the same kind of view?
 

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I don't know what you are talking about. I can't form a response to this because it's not the conversation I was having. I was referring to the bolded that you stated below.



I was encouraged enthusiastically to engage in weight loss. I was given affirming praise for my progress but it was all my fault when my joints erroded and the fluid built up in my spinal column and cranium. Are the people who were in my weight loss group who gave me advice on how they broke through the plateu phase just as guilty as the people who hee haw about weight gain?
yep they probably were. but you were allowed to choose that. and i hope someone was there to tell you the downside so you could make your own choice with as much info as possible. and hopefully they weren't shut up. but you'r right that people who are intense about gaining or dieting both have a problem. they have dogma that does not include a middle ground. and i think a middle ground is what people are exploring here.

i think we are pretty clear that the middle isn't gaining until you're immobile or dieting until you are rail thin. Zsalynn was firmly on the immobile end. should WLS be the first choice for people. ideally, of course not. the problem with your model is the assumption that the reality must absolutely be one extreme or another. a lot of us are saying it doesn't have to be that way.

and honestly, if dieting is a trigger for you or someone you know you or they might really want to seriously reconsider being on a site that is really all about weight.
 

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I’m not saying that there is some magic maximum number that dictates health. I’m not saying that ALL supersized people are unhealthy or unhappy because I know that there are many out there who are or claim to be. Each individual is different and has his or her own unique health situation. But when you are 500, 600, 700 or whatever extreme poundage you happen to be and you have convinced yourself that the non-injury related pain or joint damage you are experiencing in your knees or in your back or your shortness of breath or your unregulated blood glucose levels are unrelated to your extreme weight, it is called “denial”.

Every human body has its limits and although those limits are different from person to person they are limits all the same. In most cases of extreme weight these limits manifest themselves in similar ways across the board. Denying that these limits exist or placing the reason for their existence on something other than the obvious is to deny the reality of how the human body works and reacts to the stress of too much weight. Building a philosophy and concept of heath that flies in the face of conventional modern medical science is foolishness and questioning the basis for it's rationale is IMHO only natural.
Equally I am not saying that every big person is healthy or that being at a higher weight can't cause health problems. Of course it can. My issue was that you appeared to make a blanket statement saying that nobody after a certain weight could be healthy or happy. If that was not what you meant to say then I apologise for taking it that way.

Also, I am not sure if all your comments about denial are aimed at me or the board in general as they started in the same paragraph where you were addressing me. To say that I am in denial about the effects of high weights is laughable, trust me I a zoologist, I know all about the potential effects of obesity in both humans, animals and GM animal models. But just because I can accept that not every super size person will have these problems doesn't mean I am in denial about their existence, severity or potential impact on people.
 

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This discussion isn't about you. This discussion is about health, obesity, a TV program and a paysite model named Zsalynn. Zsalynn is 600 lbs. and says she is unhappy with her size. This is about how some of us relate to the subject. If you don't or can't relate to the subject, then this discussion is not for you.

"Protected" boards are the double standard not jumping boards. You can have any opinion you want and express it freely. (as long as it adheres to the posting rules of Dimensions, of course) You can say how you vehemently disagree with my opinion, but telling me to "mind my own business" is saying that I am not allowed to voice my opinion. That is another example of a double standard.
You're the one who suggested I was trying to derail discussion because of its effects on my livelihood. You're the one who accused me of jumping boards. Maybe your paysite-models-should-be-seen-but-not-heard attitude is escaping the attention of others, but it hasn't escaped mine. Your derision is well documented. How dare I demand to be treated like a supersize person with a valid experience regardless of my job, right?

And my original response in this thread was to the broad, sweeping generalizations that, above a certain weight, people can neither be happy nor healthy. The concern for Zsa's specific case ended a long, long time ago.
 

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Yes, it can be. On that I agree and it was part of the point I was making. Don't get the impression that I'm trying to say anything bad about people who choose or believe in weight loss. Ater getting sick it took me a while to not be angry at the world for making me feel like it should be weight loss at all costs. I had a terrible disorder and for the rest of my life wieight loss talk will be triggering. I have to draw the line at hate and I'm wondering if the hate towards all the weight gain enthusiasm can use a dose of the same kind of view?
i don't think it's hating to recognize an extreme when you see one-- in either direction
 
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