- Dec 17, 2010
- Brisbane, Australia
my name is Markus, I´m from Germany, married with a SSBBLWSW (= SuperSizedBigBeautifullLovelyWonderfullSexyWoman). And I find this discussion very interesting. To be honest.... I somehow now feel a bit like an alien here... because here in Germany scooters are absolutely unknown. Period!
I`m 37 years old and never ever saw anyone using a scooter here. Neither on countyside nor in the cities. Scooters simply don`t exist here. And I can tell, that here in Germany no one should even dare to be seen on one. These poor person would openly ridiculed at, even harsh attacked. Because here people are very aggressive against fat people. Of course, most people wouldn`t say anything, just stare... but there are quite a few, that would openly attack the person on the scooter for beeing so fat.
In the last years the aggression against fat people has risen quite a lot here. Mainly, because our media bombard us all with the message, that fat people are expensive for all. And many Germans have the tendency, to make the worth of a person fix on an use/cost-ratio. This is sad, but true. Main reason for this is, that in Germany all people (exept the very rich) are forced to have a health insurance. And since this insurance is a model of solidarity (the healthy ones pay for the sick ones), there is a lot of heat here against fat people. I know many people, that openly argue, that fat people should be banned from health insurance and let be died, if they couldn`t afford medication. Because... why should they pay for the indiscipline of the fat people?
These people are simply brainwashed. Not using the own brain and doing, what media and gevernment says is the one great power of the average german (as always, there are a few exeptions). And so this is in Germany. We did never get something like a fat acceptance movement here. I wouldn`t even know of a german SSBBW, that would be willing to stand in this clima openly. Sad, but true.
To return to the topic: from my outside view of point, I can only say, that no one should hesitate to use a scooter, if this device would help you, to have more fun in your life. Because... it is my deepest belief, that having fun and enjoying our lives is the real reason, why we all are here. And only from this point of view I can imagine, that anytime in the future people would start to respect each other.
We all have to do anything neccessary, to have the maximum fun and joy in our lifes. I truly belive this. If this includes using a scooter, I`m for it. Because I want to life with happy people next door.
Germany mostly are not happy people. And so our lifes here are lived (for the most part - as with everything, there are a few exeptions of course) with not too much fun and joy. But maybe someday even this changes... I dream of it.
Love to all
PS: So... sorry, if I had nothing more specific to add to this discussion. But that is, because there are no experiences here with that objective.
I find it depends where you go in Germany. I've been to a few places in Germany and in major cities people tended to not pay me much attention. In smaller parts of Germany you would have thought a car pulled up and 40 clowns got out on unicycles with horns, music and balloons. It was crazy but I suppose it's like that most everywhere. Even here in the states at times but it did seem more so in European countries than here.Interesting. I was in Germany (Bavaria) this last summer for two weeks. I'm also an SSBBW and due to back pain and frequent spasms (which have since passed, thank God), I used a cane most of the time I was there. Aside from a few people who seemed to look me up and down with a hint of disapproval on their face - and I do mean only a few - my experience was overall very positive. We spent a lot of time with relatives, but also visited tourist spots and walked the streets of Salzburg and Munich. I found locals to be very friendly. Granted, I don't speak German, so they could have insulted me to my face and I'd be completely unaware of it, but I had feared ridicule out in public and was pleasantly surprised I saw and felt none.
Is your wife's experience when she is out in public any different? I hope not.
p.s. - not happy people? I didn't think people seemed any different than here.. we all have our struggles and stresses, but I saw a lot of joy in the people I met there too. Also, my husband attended small BBW events near Munich more than a decade ago. If they existed then, I imagine they're still around now and perhaps even more popular since the overall population is fatter. It might be worth checking out.. maybe you and your wife can find some support and friendship there.
All I have to say is....I feel your pain. I've stopped talking about it though because ass holes come on here and tell me I am wrong and that it's all in my head. I will say I am a stronger person now after living here 4 years. I talk back alot. Most recently in hospital and woman was staring at me...taking not a double take but a quintouple take. And finally I said very loudly, I can stare at you just like you can stare at me beotch....and she gasp...LMAO...It was a wonderful moment.Popping in, finally, to reply to this thread. I've been kinda busy having a baby and all...ha ha..
I've been living in Germany since September of 2009 and I've got to say that I find people VERY judgemental against people of size. Oh, they won't say it to your face, but the LOOK on thier faces says it all. I've never been stared at more in my life than I have since I've been here. Like Lily said....its like I have balloons, neon lights and a bunch of clowns with me everywhere I go; I'm the spectacle of Rauenthal(the tiny hill town we live in), and even in Wiesbaden I get the stares and such. I recall vividly sitting at my bus stop waiting to go home after class...learning GERMAN...to try to integrate myself to THEIR CULTURE/COUNTRY, and a bus pulled to a stop in front of me...it was a tour type bus and it was at the light and one person started to stare...then another, another..and by the time the bus could move, the whole bus was staring at the fat girl at the bus stop. I was so irritated that I stood up and started to wave at them...I didn't know what else to do. It was like they hadn't seen a fat person before!
Let me not get started on the medical professionals. NO, let me say that for the MOST part, I've been lucky. My haus Arzt is great, never lectures about my size and really is respectful. My initial diabetologist(while pregnant) was a different story, though...saying to my husband(in German so that I wouldn't understand her) "what do they DO to themselves over there?(in The States)" She was a little disgusted by my size and took it upon herself to judge the entire American way of life through me. Needless to say, I changed to another Dr in the practice who never ONCE mentioned my weight and was great. Overall, the medical care has been pretty decent and the whole national health system works very well over here. I only hope that the States can come up with something comparable to this...
As for the "unhappy people" in Germany, I don't know if I'd go that far. I think that most people are pretty happy with the health system. I think that in every country, you are going to have people that are not happy with the way things are done, thats normal. The scooter issue? I see mobility scooters all the time over here, and we actually have a scooter store in our town, so the availability is there, but they are not easy to get nor are they easy to get the insurance to cover as you have to be deemed a certain percentage disabled and to get that is very difficult.
I will go on record to say that Germany is very behind in being "behindertongerecht", handicapped accessible, and it has to do with the lack of laws requiring them to BE this way. The US has the Disabilities Act, Germany has no such requirements, so they don't HAVE to have an elevator in all office buildings(most do), or ramps, handrails, etc.
This is just my opinion and experience living here...and it might be different in other areas, too.
Ha, I was there so I know you're not talking out your arse. It does depend on where you go but when you get there, the noise is crap. I hate that you had to ge to the point of gettng angry to cope with it all. It's sad that some people are so thick that blunt force trauma is the only thing that will work.All I have to say is....I feel your pain. I've stopped talking about it though because ass holes come on here and tell me I am wrong and that it's all in my head. I will say I am a stronger person now after living here 4 years. I talk back alot. Most recently in hospital and woman was staring at me...taking not a double take but a quintouple take. And finally I said very loudly, I can stare at you just like you can stare at me beotch....and she gasp...LMAO...It was a wonderful moment.
Congrats on your marriage and little family. Im sure that makes it all worth it. hugs
I don't think the police would do anything as fat is not a protected category in the general sense. However, the UK does rock for disability rights and employee rights. Since I am fat AND disabled...the law is on my side most of the time. But as for general public harassment...nope...gotta deal with that on my own.Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied? I was just thinking about this and usually I am a pretty easy going good natured person. I would imagine though that if fat hostility were a problem for me on a regular basis after a while it would provoke me to turn somewhat aggressive. "Look lady, you better back right up. You don't know me like that." I'm still kinda ghetto. I realize there's never a cop around when you need one but if one happend by, do you think the law would work in your favor if you were to complain that you are being intimidated by strangers because of your weight?
Lilly - If you ever find yourself in that position, just cut loose with a high 'C' from those opera-trained lungs of yours. The streets would be full of shattered glass, and the thugs running for the ER with their hands over their shattered ears.Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied? I was just thinking about this and usually I am a pretty easy going good natured person. I would imagine though that if fat hostility were a problem for me on a regular basis after a while it would provoke me to turn somewhat aggressive. "Look lady, you better back right up. You don't know me like that." I'm still kinda ghetto. I realize there's never a cop around when you need one but if one happend by, do you think the law would work in your favor if you were to complain that you are being intimidated by strangers because of your weight?
If I was being bullied or harassed in the work place about my weight, then yes, my complaints would be backed up.Here's a question for you internationals out there. Do you have a feel or an opinion on how the law responds when you feel you are being harassed or bullied?
In my 'transatlantic' experience, this applies more in general to the difference in treating mobility between the US and continental Europe.I think, here in Germany you have to look really ill to be somewhat acceptet by people using a scooter.