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Sad and frustrating as it is, the fat/size acceptance movement has never succeeded in penetrating their concepts and acronyms even into the narrower fat/body positive community, let alone into mainstream society.

BBW is most commonly spelled out as "Beautiful Black Woman" these days in American English.

SA in English has no half-way commonly accepted meaning - size acceptance as one definition does not even make it onto lists containing over 250 options. SA in acronym search is most likely to be identified as Société anonyme - the French international term for Publically Listed Company (same in Spanish and Portuguese. Don't ever use it in German though, there it means "Sturmabteilung" or Hitler's Nazi-Party para-military thug branch).

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I’ve quoted Agouderia’s post from this thread because I felt like her mention of acronyms in the fat community was worth more discussion but I didn’t want to insert what could be a more serious discussion, possibly contentious, within a thread that is intended for laughs. I say possibly contentious with the hope that it does not devolve into something problematic.

I make no secret of the fact that I’ve been around the fat acceptance community for quite a while. My old(er) age has created in me a very unintended myopia when it comes to the subject. I take it for granted that everyone is familiar with the same concepts and acronyms I am and I will make an effort to correct that behavior in myself.

I thought perhaps it might be interesting to talk about the more commonly used acronyms of the fat acceptance and/or body positive communities. But not to just define them but discuss some of the ones that have historically been less than positively received. In order to discuss, I think it’s best to first define. Here are some of the more common acronyms I’m familiar with:

BBWBig Beautiful Women. Agouderia is more familiar with it being used to represent beautiful black women, but when I googled it, the first definition after Bath & Body Works is big, beautiful women. Usually defined as a clothing size XL-3X.
BHMBig Handsome Men
EAESThis is relatively new, but being pushed hard by NMAAFA--Equality At Every Size; is a fat rights advocacy program that provides education and support for creating laws across the United States to end size discrimination
FAFat Acceptance,
Also Fat Admirer (a person-male or female-who is attracted to another person or persons who are fat)
FFAFemale Fat Admirer, a woman who is attracted to another person or persons (male or female) who are fat
HAESHealth At Every Size; the principles used to promote health equity, end the false narrative that fat = unhealthy, support ending weight discrimination and bias, especially in the healthcare industry.
NAAFANational Association to Advance Fat Acceptance; formed as a fat-rights organization to end discrimination based on body size.
SASize Acceptance (Side note, as a writer and a sensitivity editor, I am often asked to create a list of possible trigger warnings. In that context, SA is always an acronym for sexual assault.)
SIGSpecial Interest Group; used in larger communities. Dimensions resulted from NAAFA's FASIG)
SS-Super-Size, usually in front of BBW or BHM; the easiest definition for me to use with regard to BBW/SSBBW/USSBBW is clothing size. Usually a SS person is a 4X-6X.
USS-Ultra-Super-Size; the highest weight category, usually a size 7X or above.
WGWeight gain, most often intentional through feederism
WL/WLSWeight-Loss/Weight Loss Surgery


These are the acronyms I am most familiar with and use frequently. Are there others that I might have missed?

And what about idioms, like apple, pear, hourglass, feeder, feedee? Are there others that we find repeated throughout the community that I haven’t mentioned?

What are your thoughts on these? Are there common definitions which you particularly like or dislike? If so, what are they and why do you like/dislike?

(DISCLAIMER/REQUEST: Not every definition is written in stone, and like most language are open to interpretation and context. Please acknowledge that opinions vary and exercise respect for all opinions, especially those you might not agree with.)

ETA: See post below, I edited the above definitions of FA and FFA, and added EAES definition. All other content is the same.
 
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Thank you @Donna for having the educational drive and taking the time to put together this list!

Given that we semi-regularly have discussions here showing that not even all - so to say - community members are fully aware of the most common acronyms, explaining and show-casing them again is important.

My post in the other thread was more of a cynically sad observation that these acronyms have remained niche knowledge and not made it even half-way into the linguistic mainstream.

Since you already voiced the concern yourself - I would advocate for refraining from using SA for size acceptance, not least because it is more commonly used in contexts with extremely negative connotations.
 

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Ah, you know, I keep meaning to comment on this and keep forgetting.

I would argue that FA doesn't refer just to men who like fat women. It's more of a gender neutral term for anybody that likes fat people. Then again, I hang around a lot of LGBT fat communities so I guess it makes sense that I would be more used to seeing it that way. As a woman who identifies as both an FA and an FFA, makes me a little uncomfortable to see it applied only to men, even if it usually does mean them.

There's a few acronyms relating to art/stories that I can think of. XWG = extreme weight gain, MWG.... I have never been entirely certain on the M word involved there, but I've seen old stories tagged with it.

Acronyms will always be context dependent to a degree though, like you said. BBW is a great example. Things I have known that to refer to: Big Beautiful Woman, Beautiful Black Woman, Beautiful Bald Woman, Big Breasted Woman. Big Beautiful Woman seems to be the most well known meaning for it though, mostly because that is the term used in porn.

I have some thoughts on some of the idioms/phrases. Feel free to tell me which you do and don't agree with!

AppleA person with most of their weight around the upper/mid torso
PearA person with most of their weight around the hips/legs
HourglassA person with a roughly equal balance of weight around the upper and lower body with a defined waist
FeedeeA person who likes getting fed by people
FeederA person who likes feeding people
GainerA person who is actively trying to gain weight

To be honest, it's always bugged me that there aren't any terms for people who are built like me. I'm not an apple, pear or hourglass. I have roughly equal fat on my upper and lower body but a thick waist and belly too.

Also, I could go on such a tangent about describing the commonly associated kink stuff, hah. If anybody is interested, I would willing share my thoughts.
 
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Back in the day, FA was male and FFA female, but I realize that gender designations and such have become much more fluid, and language conventions have changed as well. Personally, I think BBW is used for Big Beautiful Woman more than anything else. I owned the BBW trademark once when my company took over ownership of BBW Magazine and continued to publish it as a glossy for several years. I didn't know back then that trademarks usually only apply for certain uses of a term. For example, a representative of the late founder of BBW Magazine called me once and wanted to sell me the BBW trademark for clothing for a million. Overall, I've never been totally happy with some of size acceptance terminology; it's just a difficult thing. I was always happy to have come up with "Dimensions -- Where Big is Beautiful" though.
 

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Carole Shaw's BBW magazine was the first time I was ever exposed to the acronym BBW. I've been reading a great deal online about the etymology of the acronyms and terms we often use in the fat community and was surprised to read that outside the fat community, BBW standing for big beautiful woman is almost exclusively used in reference to pornography these days. and gay pornography is the original source for BHM/big handsome men. (Apparently some big men didn't like the more commonly used terms bears and chubs. Anyone in the LGBTQIA+ community who knows better, please correct me. I never did find any information from a source that I would consider reliable...mostly just a few obscure blogs.)

RE: FA/FFA; my heteronormative bias is showing. Even though I consider myself bisexual, I still tend to think mostly in terms of FA being male who are into fat women, and FFA as female into fat men. I think it's a better definition to say FA is anyone who is attracted to fat people and FFA is specifically fat women who are attracted to fat men or women. Should I edit my definitions above to reflect this distinction?

Loopy, I would love to read more about the kink terminology. For many years I avoided anything having to do with the fetish aspect of fat admiration because of a bad experience with an abusive fetishist early in my time in the fat community. And I hear you about the size descriptions....I'm somewhere between an apple and a pear...large thighs and hips, with an apron belly and fat arms. My breasts, especially since I got sick and lost weight, hover between a B and C cup, even with a large band size. Makes buying bras an expensive and giant pain in my neck.

I wish we (the fat community at large-pun not intended-and not the netizens of Dimensions) would have fought harder and early on in the acceptance movement to subtract the pejorative connotation of the word fat and move its usage back to a straight descriptor like tall, short, blonde or brunette. That might've gone a long way toward reducing the angst some of our more common terms have caused. Am I making sense??
 
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I hang around in some general fat spaces at time, and have repeatedly seen the interaction
"What is wrong with the term BBW,I used it and then got told i shouldn't"
"The term comes from the porn industry, so using it fetishizes the person you are talking about."

Sooo... It looks like BBW made it to a broader audience via the usage as a category in porn, and a lot of people are only familiar with it from that context. "Plus sized" seems to be the less contentious term? Although I agree with Donna that I wish we could just use "fat" without giving people the vapours. Ah well, langikeeps evolving.
 

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I think we live in a time where acronyms are probably overused generally. In the past we had terms like paperback, hardback, cassette, record, video, internet. As technology developed, acronyms started to predominate, and we now have VCR, CD, DVD, PDA, USB, SD card and so on. I think it is starting to swing back the other way, as we now have Bluetooth, wireless, clouds. And for some unknown reason we now have 'apps' instead of 'software' or 'program', which isn't even an acronym or a proper word.

I've never been particularly comfortable with how obscure and euphemistic the acronyms associated with fat people and their admirers are. Whereas 'big' used to refer to a woman nearly always means fat rather than tall or muscular, it's more context specific when used to describe a man. Referring to a guy as a 'big boy' could mean that he's fat, but it could also mean anything from him having a large dick to being a sarcastic way of saying his behaviour is childish. And porn ruins everything... well, porn made by people in real relationships by themselves consensually who are paid directly for it I think is a good thing, but mainstream commercial porn has always been exploitative and unrealistic, and the fact that amateurs can now show what real love looks like online more easily these days means it's become even more harmful by presenting dangerous and unhealthy stuff in order maintain an edge over the competition. Or perhaps I'm just biased because the only porn I've ever watched with any interest is almost all amateur gay men and a tiny amount of amateur straight, usually BDSM that happens to have fat men in it.

The first term I heard in the 80s was 'chubby chaser'. It was a conversation overheard by two women in a bus queue in response to seeing a fat man and a woman of average build walk out of a house. One of them sniggered said to the other, She must pretend she's on a bouncy castle when they have sex, and the other shrugged and said Perhaps she's a chubby chaser. Even though I've since come to understand it's considered pejorative, and even though as the Internet developed it became claimed much more by gay men and evolved into chub and chaser, I still kind of identify a lot with it. Overhearing that conversation was a revelation for me as it was the first realisation that I might not be completely weird to the point that nobody else in the world thought like me, and my first glimmer of understanding of why young men in boy bands I was told I was supposed to like did nothing for me, but looking at Sumo wrestlers made me feel something overwhelming I couldn't put into words. It was also because the second woman's response was actually quite accepting and she was rejecting her friend's invitation to ridicule the couple.

I love the word 'fat' and all its synonyms like plump and portly and chubby. They should never have been allowed to be appropriated as insults by nasty people.
 

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Anomlay, apps = applications, it's not a nonsense word. Also, chubs and chasers were around as terms in the gay community waaaaay before the 80s or the internet became popular. They were the origin of the phrase chubby chaser. I agree with everything else you said though.

Donna, I'd be happy for the FA definition to be edited to be more gender neutral, yeah. =) I totally agree that we should have tried harder to make fat a neutral term.

Some more fun definitions:

Plus sizedA person who wears a clothing size above those found regularly in stores
Fat positiveA person or place/community that is accepting towards fat people
FatshionPlus sized fashion/fashion influences

Also, because you were interested in more kink definitions Donna, I figured I would put some here too. A lot of these are sort of fat-adjacent, in that they don't only involve fat people, but there is a big overlap between FAs and people with these kinks.

StuffingEating a large amount of food to a point of uncomfortable fullness
InflationUsing a liquid or gas to inflate the stomach to a large degree. Alternatively, fantasy inflations may involve fruit transformations and other magical things
Force-feedingBeing fed against your will (only something that should ever be applied to fantasy things!!!)
StuckageBeing too large to fit through a gap or space and struggling or getting stuck
Squashing/CrushingBeing sat or stepped on by a much larger person. Alternatively, having a BHM/BBW crush an inanimate object beneath them
Button Popping/RippingBursting buttons off of or ripping tight articles of clothing
Giantess/MacrophiliaFantasy play usually involving a woman at a giant size, such as the height of a building
Belly playJiggling and slapping the belly to arose oneself and/or the people watching
Belly kinkBeing arose by yourself/another person having a belly, be it due to fat, bloat, pregnancy etc
Denial kinkBeing aroused by yourself/another person being oblivious to weight gain/fatness (again, only works in fantasy stuff!)
Humilation/Teasing kinkPeople who love either being teased or teasing people

There is also the forbidden kink that I'm not allowed to mention here, hah. If you know, you know, but those are against our rules to bring up.

But yeah, just to point this out; having a kink doesn't make you a bad person. You can't help what you like and most kinks can be played around with safely if you have a willing partner that is into it. I'm so knowledgeable about these things both from my time doing free art commissions, and from my love of fiction and sites like AO3. I will have missed many, many. But yeah, kinks aren't really acknowledged at all on sites like Dims, so I think it might be useful to let any kinky lurkers out there know they aren't alone and it is okay.
 

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I finally got around to putting everything into one big list. I guess if we come across other terms or acronyms which need to be defined, either myself of moderators can edit this:

AppleA person with most of their weight around the upper/mid torso
BBWBig Beautiful Women. Usually defined as a clothing size XL-3X.
Belly kinkBeing arose by yourself/another person having a belly, be it due to fat, bloat, pregnancy etc.
Belly playJiggling and slapping the belly to arouse oneself and/or the people watching
BHMBig Handsome Men
Button Popping/RippingBursting buttons off of or ripping tight articles of clothing
Denial kinkBeing aroused by yourself/another person being oblivious to weight gain/fatness (again, only works in fantasy stuff!)
EAESThis is relatively new, but being pushed hard by NMAAFA--Equality At Every Size; is a fat rights advocacy program that provides education and support for creating laws across the United States to end size discrimination
FAFat Acceptance, Also Fat Admirer (a person-male or female-who is attracted to another person or persons who are fat)
Fat positiveA person or place/community that is accepting towards fat people
FatshionPlus sized fashion/fashion influences
FeedeeA person who likes getting fed by people
FeederA person who likes feeding people
FFAFemale Fat Admirer, a woman who is attracted to another person or persons (male or female) who are fat
Force-feedingBeing fed against your will (only something that should ever be applied to fantasy things!!!)
GainerA person who is actively trying to gain weight
Giantess/MacrophiliaFantasy play usually involving a woman at a giant size, such as the height of a building
HAESHealth At Every Size; the principles used to promote health equity, end the false narrative that fat = unhealthy, support ending weight discrimination and bias, especially in the healthcare industry.
HourglassA person with a roughly equal balance of weight around the upper and lower body with a defined waist
Humiliation/Teasing kinkPeople who love either being teased or teasing people
InflationUsing a liquid or gas to inflate the stomach to a large degree. Alternatively, fantasy inflations may involve fruit transformations and other magical things
NAAFANational Association to Advance Fat Acceptance; formed as a fat-rights organization to end discrimination based on body size.
PearA person with most of their weight around the hips/legs
Plus sizedA person who wears a clothing size above those found regularly in stores
SASize Acceptance (Side note, as a writer and a sensitivity editor, I am often asked to create a list of possible trigger warnings. In that context, SA is always an acronym for sexual assault.)
SIGSpecial Interest Group; used in larger communities. Dimensions resulted from NAAFA's FASIG)
Squashing/CrushingBeing sat or stepped on by a much larger person. Alternatively, having a BHM/BBW crush an inanimate object beneath them
SS-Super-Size, usually in front of BBW or BHM; the easiest definition for me to use with regard to BBW/SSBBW/USSBBW is clothing size. Usually a SS person is a 4X-6X.
StuckageBeing too large to fit through a gap or space and struggling or getting stuck
StuffingEating a large amount of food to a point of uncomfortable fullness
USS-Ultra-Super-Size; the highest weight category, usually a size 7X or above.
WGWeight gain, most often intentional through feederism
WL/WLSWeight-Loss/Weight Loss Surgery
 
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